Best fighters of the 90's

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 27 Dec 2005, 15:38

Based on the "The Ring" magazine annual poll to boxing writers and experts from 1990 to 1999 the fighter that recieved the most votes was 1st Roy Jones Jr. with 836
2nd Pernell Whitaker with 835
3rd Oscar De La Hoya with 512
4th Julio Cesar Chavez with 501
5th Felix Trinidad with 347
6th Evander Holyfield with 334
7th Ricardo "finito" Lopez with 312
8th Terry Norris with 225
9th Shane Mosley with 133
10th Mike Tyson with 126

do you guys agree with this standing?

if not, what should it be?

theone · Post by **theone** » 27 Dec 2005, 23:32

I respect the Ten but have it a bit different:

1. Whitaker
2. Jones
3.Chavez
4. Trinidad
5. Hopskins
6. DelaHoya
7.Lopez
8.. Lewis
9.Holyfield
10.Norris

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 28 Dec 2005, 07:30

ferroz wrote:Based on the "The Ring" magazine annual poll to boxing writers and experts from 1990 to 1999 the fighter that recieved the most votes was 1st Roy Jones Jr. with 836
2nd Pernell Whitaker with 835
3rd Oscar De La Hoya with 512
4th Julio Cesar Chavez with 501
5th Felix Trinidad with 347
6th Evander Holyfield with 334
7th Ricardo "finito" Lopez with 312
8th Terry Norris with 225
9th Shane Mosley with 133
10th Mike Tyson with 126

do you guys agree with this standing?

if not, what should it be?

good job, "Ring Magazine," for completely fornicating up a list yet again. I love how they arbitrarily throw in the Mike Tyson reference, simply for being Mike Tyson....I can't wait until they publish their best fighters of the 2000s and see Tyson at #10 again. They somehow put Tyson in yet completely disregard Lennox Lewis. Hmm for fun...lets compare!

Lewis in the 90s:

29-1-1, 22 KO's, 2 time champion, 8 successful title defenses, only loss was 1-punch KO from McCall (though to be fair he probably should have lost the Mercer fight). Draw against Holyfield was bull...he clearly won that fight.

Mike Tyson in the 90s:

9-3, 7 KO's, 1 NC, 1 time champion, 1 successful title defense, bit off an ear

Hmmmmm....yes it's clear now...I was wrong...Mike Tyson was clearly better than Lewis and in fact should just be #1 on every list ever

I love how Finito Lopez...who essentially fought bums his ENTIRE career...is ahead of "Sugar" Shane Mosley

Let's compare again!

Finito Lopez in the 90s:

25-0-1, 18 KO's, minimumweight and light flyweight champ, 22 defenses at minimumweight, 0 at flyweight, biggest win a split decision against Rosendo Alvarez...try to name his second biggest win...I sure as shit can't

Shane Mosley in the 90s:

33-0, 31 KO's, Lightweight champ, 8 defenses, clearly beat undefeated Philip Holiday to win the title, KO'd very good fighters in Juan Molina, Eduardo Morales and James Leija to defend. His career defining fights against Oscar de la Hoya weren't until the 2000s but he was CLEARLY better than Finito Lopez in the 90s.

-KOKid- · Post by **-KOKid-** » 28 Dec 2005, 08:06

Putting Tyson in at no. 10 takes all creibility away from this list.
Tyson record for the 1990's was a mediocre 9-3. Only a few of those wins were against top opposition.
Based on achievements, the only correct way to rate a fighter, Tyson wasn't even a top 5 heavyweight for the 1990s, let alone a top 10 fighter P4P.
This is bullshit.

-KOKid-

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 28 Dec 2005, 14:39

tyson was well past his prime in the 90s, peak tyson knocks lennox lewis out early

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 28 Dec 2005, 14:52

blame the fact that Tyson is on the list on the boxing writers that were polled not on "The Ring" magazine.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 28 Dec 2005, 14:55

ferroz wrote:blame the fact that Tyson is on the list on the boxing writers that were polled not on "The Ring" magazine.

Of course, The Ring could have been more careful in their selection of "boxing writers and experts".

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 28 Dec 2005, 16:21

I don't know how Tyson qualifies in 10th place for the 1990's!

He fought infrequently in between prison terms & when he did fight, he only beat bums! everytime he stepped in in class, he got pasted!

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 28 Dec 2005, 21:48

Decagon wrote:The problem with Trinidad is that in the 1990s, he simply didn't accomplish enough. He beat Oba Carr, Yory Boy Campas and a coked-up Whitaker, and then lost to De la Hoya. Add in what he did in 2000 and the first half of 2001 - winning titles against Vargas, Reid and Joppy - and he's top 5 for sure, but without those three wins, he simply doesn't stand up to Jones, Whitaker, De la Hoya, Finito, Chavez or Holyfield.

Trinidad did not lose to De La Hoya.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 29 Dec 2005, 07:04

I'd have Whittaker at #1.

Tyson being #10 is a joke.

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 29 Dec 2005, 09:28

just so you guys can make fun of the list some more i'll put 11-20

11. Mark "too sharp" Johnson with 114 votes
12.James Toney with 112 votes
13. Meldrick Taylor with 105 votes
14.Floyd Mayweather & Orlando Canizales with 97 votes
15 Riddick Bowe with 89 votes
16.Buddy McGirt with 88 votes
17. Naseem Hamed with 73 votes
18. Mike McCallum & Frankie Randall with 53 Votes
19. Buster Douglas with 51 votes
20. Simon Brown & Marco Antonio Barrera with 48 votes

Keep in mind this list was compiled based on boxing writers polled on who they thought was the best fighter at the time. I think Fighters that don't belong on the top (Tyson) and the ones that do belong on the top (Lewis) is a testament to their popularity as fighters IMO.

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 30 Dec 2005, 00:43

Is the second part of the list just as bad?

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 02 Jan 2006, 13:20

21. Azumah Nelson 46votes
22. Michael Carbajal 39 votes
23.Chiquita Gonzales 38 votes
24.Ike quartety 37 votes
25. Thomas Hearns 34votes
26. Gerald McClellan 33votes
27.Kevin Kelley 28 votes
28.Antonio Esparragoza & Khosai Galaxy 25 votes
29.Lennox Lewis 24 votes
30. Michael Nunn 23 votes

Professor X · Post by **Professor X** » 02 Jan 2006, 20:02

[quote="BrocktonBlockbuster49"]tyson was well past his prime in the 90s, peak tyson knocks lennox lewis out early[/quote]

You mean like prime, 24 yr old Tyson did to Tucker and Douglas, dumbfuck?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 02 Jan 2006, 20:15

Professor X wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:tyson was well past his prime in the 90s, peak tyson knocks lennox lewis out early
You mean like prime, 24 yr old Tyson did to Tucker and Douglas, dumbfuck?

http://infiniteboxing.com/images/lewis_rahman01.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3909 ... all245.jpg

thats what lewis will end up like after getting in the ring with a peak mike tyson IMO

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 02 Jan 2006, 20:21

Please check your private messages BB.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 03 Jan 2006, 14:56

Ricardo Lopez is tops for me, by quite some way.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 05 Jan 2006, 11:54

I would put Lennox Lewis and Bernard Hopkins in the top 10 of the 1990s instead of Mike Tyson (like a meteor in the late 80s then crashed to earth in the 90s) and Terry "No Chin" Norris.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 07 Jan 2006, 01:04

iceman21287 wrote:
ferroz wrote:Based on the "The Ring" magazine annual poll to boxing writers and experts from 1990 to 1999 the fighter that recieved the most votes was 1st Roy Jones Jr. with 836
2nd Pernell Whitaker with 835
3rd Oscar De La Hoya with 512
4th Julio Cesar Chavez with 501
5th Felix Trinidad with 347
6th Evander Holyfield with 334
7th Ricardo "finito" Lopez with 312
8th Terry Norris with 225
9th Shane Mosley with 133
10th Mike Tyson with 126

do you guys agree with this standing?

if not, what should it be?
good job, "Ring Magazine," for completely fornicating up a list yet again. I love how they arbitrarily throw in the Mike Tyson reference, simply for being Mike Tyson....I can't wait until they publish their best fighters of the 2000s and see Tyson at #10 again. They somehow put Tyson in yet completely disregard Lennox Lewis. Hmm for fun...lets compare!

Lewis in the 90s:

29-1-1, 22 KO's, 2 time champion, 8 successful title defenses, only loss was 1-punch KO from McCall (though to be fair he probably should have lost the Mercer fight). Draw against Holyfield was bull...he clearly won that fight.

Mike Tyson in the 90s:

9-3, 7 KO's, 1 NC, 1 time champion, 1 successful title defense, bit off an ear

Hmmmmm....yes it's clear now...I was wrong...Mike Tyson was clearly better than Lewis and in fact should just be #1 on every list ever

I love how Finito Lopez...who essentially fought bums his ENTIRE career...is ahead of "Sugar" Shane Mosley

Let's compare again!

Finito Lopez in the 90s:

25-0-1, 18 KO's, minimumweight and light flyweight champ, 22 defenses at minimumweight, 0 at flyweight, biggest win a split decision against Rosendo Alvarez...try to name his second biggest win...I sure as shit can't

Shane Mosley in the 90s:

33-0, 31 KO's, Lightweight champ, 8 defenses, clearly beat undefeated Philip Holiday to win the title, KO'd very good fighters in Juan Molina, Eduardo Morales and James Leija to defend. His career defining fights against Oscar de la Hoya weren't until the 2000s but he was CLEARLY better than Finito Lopez in the 90s.

Lopez beat the best in his division and beat future champions that went on to campain at higher weight classes with lots of succes. Just cause some don't follow the straweight division doesn't mean he fought bums just cause he made them all look that way.

As for Mosley, I'am in the minority that think Moslys reign was a joke. He was killing himself to make weight and it showed in every fight. Molina, Leijia all past their prime. Mosley made his name over one win, thats over Delahoya. Holiday was brave fighter with no punch and Mosley has to back peddal in the last rounds to beat him. Mosly is an overrated fighter and no way in hell could he be put in a higher ranking over Finito Lopez and of course Mosleys ranking is lower then Lopez. I used to have high hopes of Mosley shinnig at lightweight and it never happend. In the early rounds against Holiday it looked like Mosley was the real deal then bam, he hits the wall and barly has anything left. Mosley and father even turned down a fight with a young champion call "Pretty Boy Floyd" and their ain't no denying this.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 07 Jan 2006, 01:06

ferroz wrote:Based on the "The Ring" magazine annual poll to boxing writers and experts from 1990 to 1999 the fighter that recieved the most votes was 1st Roy Jones Jr. with 836
2nd Pernell Whitaker with 835
3rd Oscar De La Hoya with 512
4th Julio Cesar Chavez with 501
5th Felix Trinidad with 347
6th Evander Holyfield with 334
7th Ricardo "finito" Lopez with 312
8th Terry Norris with 225
9th Shane Mosley with 133
10th Mike Tyson with 126

do you guys agree with this standing?

if not, what should it be?

Roy Jones Jr. being number one just doesn't seem right.

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 07 Jan 2006, 01:43

ferocity wrote:
ferroz wrote:Based on the "The Ring" magazine annual poll to boxing writers and experts from 1990 to 1999 the fighter that recieved the most votes was 1st Roy Jones Jr. with 836
2nd Pernell Whitaker with 835
3rd Oscar De La Hoya with 512
4th Julio Cesar Chavez with 501
5th Felix Trinidad with 347
6th Evander Holyfield with 334
7th Ricardo "finito" Lopez with 312
8th Terry Norris with 225
9th Shane Mosley with 133
10th Mike Tyson with 126

do you guys agree with this standing?

if not, what should it be?
Roy Jones Jr. being number one just doesn't seem right.

Why is that?

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 07 Jan 2006, 02:00

Cause he didn't fight a lot of fighters do to that they fought out of Europe.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 07 Jan 2006, 02:04

And Jones could have beaten every european fighter at the time but its that he didn't want to fight them that makes it difficult to see him at number one.

Steve Forbes

Chis Eubank

Nigel Benn

Darius Michalski

I know I forgot a couple other or one but these guys should have gotten their chance at Jones.

AndreWardFan2006 · Post by **AndreWardFan2006** » 07 Jan 2006, 05:37

Mike Tyson
Pernell Whitaker
Oscar de la Hoya
Felix Trinidad
Ricardo Lopez

theone · Post by **theone** » 07 Jan 2006, 08:33

Which one of those European fighters would have came to America to fight Jones? If none of them were, then screw them. They should have been chasing Jones not the otherway round. Jones was scarred from having been jobbed in the Olympics, and was not going to risk going over seas so the same thing could happen to him again.

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