Is Gennady Golovkin too good to be true ?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Cry, bitch, cry. You just can't take it that Golovkin brings excitement and demolishes his opponents, while Floyd is boring as hell and barely escaped a loss from the limited fighter like Maidana.

There’s no denying that Gennady Golovkin is an exciting fighter to watch, but it seems rather silly to compare GGG to the likes of Mayweather, especially since it’s an irrefutable fact that Floyd's most recent opponent is Marcos Maidana, who himself is technically far more accomplished than the Kazakhstani middleweight.

Marcos Maidana has:
• Won genuine versions of world titles in two weight divisions
• Has actually won a genuine world title by defeating a champion inside the ring
• Has fought quite a few world champions, such as: Andriy Kotelnik; Victor Ortiz; DeMarcus Corley; Amir Khan; Erik Morales; Devon Alexander; Adrien Broner; and Floyd Mayweather Jr.
• Has frequently competed against fighters that were ranked within the top-three of his own weight division (as per ESPN & Ring Magazine)
• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders
• Holds a victory over a former top-ten pound-for-pounder (Adrien Broner)

Gennady Golovkin has:
• Many of his “world title” fights were not for genuine (or main) versions of belts from the big four governing bodies (as he was either the “interim” or “regular” WBA champ)
• Has only defeated one former 160lb world champion
• Has never won a genuine version of a world title inside the ring (he won the “interim” belt, was subsequently elevated to “regular” champ and then promoted to “super” world champion)
• Has never defeated a universally-ranked top-three middleweight fighter

Look… I feel that Gennady Golovkin is a fantastic fighter… and I’m not trying to suggest that Marcos Maidana is better than him, but I feel that all the GGG hysteria has escalated to preposterous levels… so we should try to be a little more objective when evaluating his victories in the context of the calibre of opponents he’s faced!

What is it with you and bad facts?

- Maidana has never won a genuine JWW title. Remember he barely got by a very shot, chubby, one eyed Morales for a vacant interim title, then got promoted to regular, while the real WBA lineage went Khan > Peterson.
- He did beat a titlist at WW, but we all know Broner was a joke of a titlist. Dropped back down to 140 to struggle with non contenders.
- 3 fights with consensus p4pers? Was there a Floyd rubber match? Bud, Broner was not p4p most anywhere but in Chuck Giampa's paid for ratings. Remember these are the rankings that had Canelo p4p before Floyd, and left him in after that fiasco.

Maidana has certainly fought better comp, but going sub 500 there doesn't make him "far more accomplished". He's never beaten a top 5 guy at any weight. Has 2 top ten level wins over the two biggest hypejobs in recent memory, OTOH losses to Kotelnik, Khan (doing almost as well as Julio Diaz), and a shutout loss to Alexander.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

@Purse Bid Shakedown – I understand that you don’t like me. In fact, I even applaud your honesty. That said, you’re allowing your hatred to blind you from the irrefutable facts that I have claimed.

So let me try to dismantle some of the bizarre things you’ve claimed:

What is it with you and bad facts?

Well… if you want to talk about facts:

Maidana has never won a genuine JWW title… Remember he barely got by a very shot, chubby, one eyed Morales for a vacant interim title, then got promoted to regular.

You’re correct! However, Maidana’s reign at light welterweight mirrors Golovkin’s (as they both held the "regular" versions of the WBA title). So does this mean you are supporting a stance that Golovkin has only been involved in two genuine world middleweight title fights? You can’t have it both ways?

He did beat a titlist at WW, but we all know Broner was a joke of a titlist.

Adrien Broner was ranked 9th in the pound-for-pound rankings and also held a legitimate version of a world title.

3 fights with consensus p4pers?

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

Bud, Broner was not p4p most anywhere but in Chuck Giampa's paid for ratings. Remember these are the rankings that had Canelo p4p before Floyd, and left him in after that fiasco.

Are you saying that the Ring Magazine ratings and champions are redundant? Didn’t you cite the value of the Ring Magazine when you argued against me on another thread about the amount of world titles that Manny Pacquiao won?

I’m not being hypocritical, merely stating facts, whereas you supported the Ring Magazine in another thread but now undermine them in this thread to fulfil your own agenda.You simply cannot have your cake and eat it!

Maidana… never beaten a top 5 guy at any weight.

Maidana defeated Adrien Broner… and let’s not forget what I actually claimed:

[Maidana] has frequently competed against fighters that were ranked within the top-three of his own weight division (as per ESPN & Ring Magazine)

Maidana…has 2 top ten level wins over the two biggest hypejobs in recent memory, OTOH losses to Kotelnik, Khan (doing almost as well as Julio Diaz), and a shutout loss to Alexander.

Say whatever you want, but it’s impossible to deny that Marcos Maidana has not only fought the best fighters in his weight-class, many of whom have held world titles, but has earned the right to be considered as the sixth best welterweight on the planet, despite having lost his most recent bouts to Floyd Mayweather.

Let’s not forget another important fact, shall we? Here’s what I actually said in my original post:

Look… I feel that Gennady Golovkin is a fantastic fighter… and I’m not trying to suggest that Marcos Maidana is better than him, but I feel that all the GGG hysteria has escalated to preposterous levels… so we should try to be a little more objective when evaluating his victories in the context of the calibre of opponents he’s faced!

Therefore, I feel I presented the facts in an objective manner, to illustrate a point about the calibre of opposition that Floyd faces is much better than those poor souls that get destroyed by Gennady Golovkin.

Is my post really that unreasonable?

Pac was #1/lineal champ in all the ratings at 126, 140, so the Ring belt is just gravy. But since you don't follow boxing closely, his Ring belts were before DLH bought the mag, and way before they

1. got rid of their old staff
2. put in place the new champ policy that had panel contributors resigning
3. put Chuck Giampa in charge of the p4p ratings. Unclear if he runs the divisional ratings now

And once again no, Broner was not universally p4p, not with transnational/espn/BS. And he wasn't a consensus top 5 at welter, nor should have been for only struggling past a fringe top tenner Paulie.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

And once again no, Broner was not universally p4p, not with transnational/espn/BS. And he wasn't a consensus top 5 at welter, nor should have been for only struggling past a fringe top tenner Paulie.

Don't guess or make assumptions... prove it!

I listed facts, which you knew I could support with evidence. Let me see what you're capable of?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131121083 ... d-rankings
https://web.archive.org/web/20131108024 ... b.org/p4p/
https://web.archive.org/web/20131206221 ... p?pg=pound

This is not hard, I already told another poster to use wayback machine. Or you could just use common sense to know Broner was not p4p. Same exercise with top 5 at welter.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Don't guess or make assumptions... prove it!

I listed facts, which you knew I could support with evidence. Let me see what you're capable of?

https://web.archive.org/web/20131121083 ... d-rankings
https://web.archive.org/web/20131108024 ... b.org/p4p/
https://web.archive.org/web/20131206221 ... p?pg=pound

This is not hard, I already told another poster to use wayback machine. Or you could just use common sense to know Broner was not p4p. Same exercise with top 5 at welter.

Incomplete. Read your ENTIRE quote and back it up.

Even if you can, the statements I made are factually correct.

Hey jacka$$, do your own research, I just gave you the means. You'll find that Broner was not top 5 with the Ring/tbrb/scene, but was at espn So you're pretty much always wrong: Maidana didn't win 2 genuine belts, Broner was not consensus p4p, not consensus top 5 ww (giving Maidana 0 wins over top 5 fighters), wrong about Pac's lineal titles, you name it.

[crusader]

Universally= in every case; by everyone.

PBS just proved that Broner wasn't universally top 10 P4P as you stated fergy, meaning that you presented an inaccurate claim as if it were true. If you want to be consistent you should admit that you've been arguing dishonestly, since you claimed that I was dishonest because I apparently made an incorrect claim about a viewing figure.

[crusader]

Pay harder attention to your own arguments fergy.

• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:
3 fights with consensus p4pers?

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Hey jacka$$, do your own research, I just gave you the means. You'll find that Broner was not top 5 with the Ring/tbrb/scene, but was at espn So you're pretty much always wrong: Maidana didn't win 2 genuine belts, Broner was not consensus p4p, not consensus top 5 ww (giving Maidana 0 wins over top 5 fighters), wrong about Pac's lineal titles, you name it.

You've side-stepped all my claims and you didn't back yours up.

I didn't sidestep them, I made a mockery of them. I'll enumerate:

1. Maidana didnt win 2 genuine titles. You were wrong
2. Broner was not consensus p4p. Quite fringe in fact
3. Broner was not consensus top 5 welter
4. Maidana has a 2-5 record against top 10 level comp, with no consensus top 5 wins
5. You don't understand lineal or Ring belts. You'r ignorant of what happened at the Ring since Oscar bought it
...

Were there any other claims you wanted me to debunk?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Pay harder attention to your own arguments fergy.

• Three of his fights were against men that were universally regarded (at the time) as top-ten pound-for-pounders

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:
3 fights with consensus p4pers?

Madiana had one fight with Broner and two fights against Mayweather. Am I correct in believing that: 1 + 2 = 3?

I'll concede that Broner wasn't universally considered as a P4P fighter, but Ring Magazine, which your trolling buddy supported quite vigorously on another thread, justifies my claim that three of Maidana's fights were against P4P opposition.

There ya go, wrong again. And here's why you're beyond help, sorry troll. I just explained the Ring belt situation, and here you are echoing the bullsh1t. Again dumbo

Pac was #1/lineal champ in all the ratings at 126, 140, so the Ring belt is just gravy. But since you don't follow boxing closely, his Ring belts were before DLH bought the mag, and way before they

1. got rid of their old staff
2. put in place the new champ policy that had panel contributors resigning
3. put Chuck Giampa in charge of the p4p ratings. Unclear if he runs the divisional ratings now

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

I didn't sidestep them, I made a mockery of them. I'll enumerate:

1. Maidana didnt win 2 genuine titles. You were wrong
2. Broner was not consensus p4p. Quite fringe in fact
3. Broner was not consensus top 5 welter
4. Maidana has a 2-5 record against top 10 level comp, with no consensus top 5 wins
5. You don't understand lineal or Ring belts. You'r ignorant of what happened at the Ring since Oscar bought it
...

Were there any other claims you wanted me to debunk?

I supplied a detailed response to your first post but you have not addressed each point. You're selective, because you're unable to supply valud counter arguments.

And every single response debunked. Remember you invested multiple paragraphs in extolling Adrien Broner's p4p standing before you had to take it back

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

And every single response debunked. Remember you invested multiple paragraphs in extolling Adrien Broner's p4p standing before you had to take it back

You've put all your eggs in one basket, haven't you? You really refuse to address everything I say?

There's at least 5 rotten items in that basket. You didn't say anything I didn't debunk. That's why you refuse to state these claims and instead keep referring to that wrongheaded mess of a post

[NateJR]

@floydsdicksucker

You shouldn't be so worried. Floyd knows that he would get his ass kicked by GGG and possibly Thurman too, so there is no chance he will risk his precious 0.

You arguments are ridiculous: Maidana with 3 losses pre-Floyd is somehow more proven than GGG ??? The only thing he has proven is that he is a limited and beatable fighter.

Yeah, actually he is much more proven than GGG. Madaina was undefeated until he fought a very good fighter in Amir Khan, which was his first loss. Khan is a much better fighter than anyone GGG has fought, easily (not even debatable). Devon Alexander, Adrien Broner, Victor Ortiz, Floyd Mayweather are all better fighters than anyone GGG has faced as a professional. Your argument is just plain stupid logic if you think because GGG has beaten a bunch of C level fighters in one of the weakest divisions in boxing and he's knocking them out that he's proven more than guys who have fought some of the best and have a couple losses. That's not how it works you dumb ass.

Retards like yourself are trying to say that GGG is better Marvin Hagler now lmao. Listen to yourselves, you're off your hinges. You sir are the moron of the month, us as a boxrec community should make you a plaque.

Cry, bitch, cry. You just can't take it that Golovkin brings excitement and demolishes his opponents, while Floyd is boring as hell and barely escaped a loss from the limited fighter like Maidana.

Golovkin is a exciting fighter that has managed to demolish C level opponents in a weak division just like most very good fighters have done. The second part is your opinion. There are many facts that support the claim that Madaina is more accomplished and has proven more than Golovkin and all of his opponents. I'm not mad at all, why would I be the one crying when I have facts to support my argument while you base your argument off of pure emotion and opinions? Stay mad bitch.