George Groves is becoming more deluded by the minute

[whiskey]

Dirrell was returning from a broken leg following a motorbike accident and was quite rusty, he was more himself in his last fight.

No way he comes to UK though - he's repeated that multiple times, regardless of the money.

I wish Groves well, but he needs to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than his last few fights to win in America. I still have reservations about his final rounds stamina. He's a fast twitch guy.

[danamba7]

Ridiculous stick for Groves on this thread.

There's a massive difference between bleating on about Froch or simply answering questions about Froch, like he has been doing. If Froch hadn't bizarrely been ringside at Groves/Rebrasse slagging off every little thing GG did to the viewing public I'm sure it would have gone away by now - quite why Froch is still so insecure about the Groves saga is open to interpretation.

And as for the other point, how would you like him to answer the questions he's asked? "Oh yeah, Froch killed me - I'm never going back there."... get real. At the end of the day GG was more than competitive in both fights so why shouldn't he talk himself up whilst Froch is still so keen to talk him down at every opportunity? I doubt he truly believes there'll be a third fight, but it gets people talking & winds up his nemesis so why wouldn't he?

If I was Froch I'd stay as far away from Groves as I can in every walk of life as he only ever comes across as looking like a massive cock in their one on ones. Go back to being that warrior who beat Bute and Kessler. I have my fingers crossed for the Chavez Jr fight.

You're using an extreme. Of course people don't expect him to say that. If I was him I'd simply answer that the Froch saga is over for now and I'm concentrating on becoming world champion whatever route that may be. The way he ranted in the ring after the Rebrasse fight and in the IFL interview was embarrassing. I still think he can do good things if he just moves on.

[Yes We Can]

Dirrell was returning from a broken leg following a motorbike accident and was quite rusty, he was more himself in his last fight.

No way he comes to UK though - he's repeated that multiple times, regardless of the money.

I wish Groves well, but he needs to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than his last few fights to win in America. I still have reservations about his final rounds stamina. He's a fast twitch guy.

Boom.

Perfect assessment in one small phrase.

Only he is no longer in "fast twitch training" that Adam Booth seemed to almost perfect with Haye.

I was impressed with his volume against Rebrasse, something i dont feel he could have achieved under his former master, but i do wonder wether he will be able to recapture the power if needed.

[Monte Fisto]

Bashing one of our best fighters and prospects for defending his corner, bigging himself up and talking the odd bit of shit. Come on folks.

[lefty]

He'd probably get knocked out by Anthony Dirrell as well.

Noticed you post this a few times now. I've only seen the Bika fights but Dirrell doesn't look anything special. I think George has a good chance. What do you see that I don't?

Is it that George isn't all that either?

His boxing ability is decent, he's probably quicker than Groves actually, he has a decent chin by the looks of things and also he can punch which along with his speed will be an issue for George IMO.

[Old Jack J]

Quick hands, good footwork, technically superb, entertaining to watch but leaves his chin out there and if he gets hit by anything semi powerful is in serious trouble.

Describes Groves and a certain Amir Khan. Khan and Groves will probably outbox most in their respective divisions but one of the ingredients needed to be the VERY best is a decent chin or a defence. Thats why Froch, despite being slower, would finish on top a large % of the time vs groves. It doesn't matter if groves was doing ok in either fight. As the rounds ticked on it was clear that froch's power was coming through. Saying he is technically superior isn't that much of an argument when we have seen what a froch punch does to groves.

[Crease]

It's obviously hard for him to deal with. He will have a decent career but he's forever haunted by the one punch knock out by Froch.

The unfortunate thing is that it really doesn't have to be this way. In a way, George was lucky to get a chance to fight Froch before Carl departed the sport for good. If Froch doesn't get his Vegas fight he will retire, and George doesn't need to feel threatened by The Cobra ever again or see him as a potential rival. Froch has earned his money, won his World Titles - his path is at it's conclusion or near enough to it (depending on Chavez)

George is in the exact opposite position. He's a young, talented fighter who has pedigree and handed a scare to one of the greatest Super Middleweights of all time. He has a lot to be proud of, not to mention that he recently acquired the European Title (probably the best second-tier belt out there).

If Groves lets go of this and refocuses he could position himself in to the right place to fight for one of Froch's vacant titles. But he does need to let this go, it's helping no-one and only hindering himself.

[danamba7]

It's obviously hard for him to deal with. He will have a decent career but he's forever haunted by the one punch knock out by Froch.

The unfortunate thing is that it really doesn't have to be this way. In a way, George was lucky to get a chance to fight Froch before Carl departed the sport for good. If Froch doesn't get his Vegas fight he will retire, and George doesn't need to feel threatened by The Cobra ever again or see him as a potential rival. Froch has earned his money, won his World Titles - his path is at it's conclusion or near enough to it (depending on Chavez)

George is in the exact opposite position. He's a young, talented fighter who has pedigree and handed a scare to one of the greatest Super Middleweights of all time. He has a lot to be proud of, not to mention that he recently acquired the European Title (probably the best second-tier belt out there).

If Groves lets go of this and refocuses he could position himself in to the right place to fight for one of Froch's vacant titles. But he does need to let this go, it's helping no-one and only hindering himself.

[Crazyboy]

It's obviously hard for him to deal with. He will have a decent career but he's forever haunted by the one punch knock out by Froch.

The unfortunate thing is that it really doesn't have to be this way. In a way, George was lucky to get a chance to fight Froch before Carl departed the sport for good. If Froch doesn't get his Vegas fight he will retire, and George doesn't need to feel threatened by The Cobra ever again or see him as a potential rival. Froch has earned his money, won his World Titles - his path is at it's conclusion or near enough to it (depending on Chavez)

George is in the exact opposite position. He's a young, talented fighter who has pedigree and handed a scare to one of the greatest Super Middleweights of all time. He has a lot to be proud of, not to mention that he recently acquired the European Title (probably the best second-tier belt out there).

If Groves lets go of this and refocuses he could position himself in to the right place to fight for one of Froch's vacant titles. But he does need to let this go, it's helping no-one and only hindering himself.

That's a great post, I wish I had your way of explaining things.

[hurlock]

The truth with groves is he's ran before he could walk & needs more fights like the one v the European dude to master his game but he'll be in another big fight soon & is going to burn out I feel

[jamesmcdonnell]

Dirrell was returning from a broken leg following a motorbike accident and was quite rusty, he was more himself in his last fight.

No way he comes to UK though - he's repeated that multiple times, regardless of the money.

I wish Groves well, but he needs to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than his last few fights to win in America. I still have reservations about his final rounds stamina. He's a fast twitch guy.

Boom.

Perfect assessment in one small phrase.

Only he is no longer in "fast twitch training" that Adam Booth seemed to almost perfect with Haye.

I was impressed with his volume against Rebrasse, something i dont feel he could have achieved under his former master, but i do wonder wether he will be able to recapture the power if needed.

Fast twitch refers to types of muscle fibres - you can't increase or decrease the amount or types of fibres you have - so I'm not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are using this as a metaphor.

Boxing isn't marathon running, fighters basically need to be fit enough to fight for 3 minutes with a 1 minute rest period, in this sense they are like 1500 meter runners, which is somewhere between a sprint and a long distance run.

The main thing which affects stamina is the amount of muscle mass a fighter adds to their natural size, the more they add, the more oxygen is required, and the more lactic acid builds up.

It may be that Groves isn't very good at pacing himself, or perhaps his cardio isn't that great - it's also possible that he just isn't a great athlete, not everyone is created equal, and some people have an ability to increase their stamina or Vo2 max, far more than others.

Comparing him to Froch for instance, Froch seems to be far more of an athlete, given that at an advanced age, he carriers his stamina and punch power all the way until the last seconds of the last round, even in a hard fought fight.

It would be interesting to see their respective training regimes. I know Froch does quite a lot of sprint work, which it seems these days it is regarded as the quickest and least damaging way to acquire cardiovascular fitness.

[lefty]

Dirrell was returning from a broken leg following a motorbike accident and was quite rusty, he was more himself in his last fight.

No way he comes to UK though - he's repeated that multiple times, regardless of the money.

I wish Groves well, but he needs to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than his last few fights to win in America. I still have reservations about his final rounds stamina. He's a fast twitch guy.

Boom.

Perfect assessment in one small phrase.

Only he is no longer in "fast twitch training" that Adam Booth seemed to almost perfect with Haye.

I was impressed with his volume against Rebrasse, something i dont feel he could have achieved under his former master, but i do wonder wether he will be able to recapture the power if needed.

Fast twitch refers to types of muscle fibres - you can't increase or decrease the amount or types of fibres you have - so I'm not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are using this as a metaphor.

Boxing isn't marathon running, fighters basically need to be fit enough to fight for 3 minutes with a 1 minute rest period, in this sense they are like 1500 meter runners, which is somewhere between a sprint and a long distance run.

The main thing which affects stamina is the amount of muscle mass a fighter adds to their natural size, the more they add, the more oxygen is required, and the more lactic acid builds up.

It may be that Groves isn't very good at pacing himself, or perhaps his cardio isn't that great - it's also possible that he just isn't a great athlete, not everyone is created equal, and some people have an ability to increase their stamina or Vo2 max, far more than others.

Comparing him to Froch for instance, Froch seems to be far more of an athlete, given that at an advanced age, he carriers his stamina and punch power all the way until the last seconds of the last round, even in a hard fought fight.

It would be interesting to see their respective training regimes. I know Froch does quite a lot of sprint work, which it seems these days it is regarded as the quickest and least damaging way to acquire cardiovascular fitness.

I guess it depends on how you define 'athlete'. For instance i've come to associate athletic with speed for some reason so in that sense obviously I think we'd all be in agreement that Groves's is the better athlete there.

[Tomasino]

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Dirrell was returning from a broken leg following a motorbike accident and was quite rusty, he was more himself in his last fight.

No way he comes to UK though - he's repeated that multiple times, regardless of the money.

I wish Groves well, but he needs to be a hell of a lot more thoughtful than his last few fights to win in America. I still have reservations about his final rounds stamina. He's a fast twitch guy.

Boom.

Perfect assessment in one small phrase.

Only he is no longer in "fast twitch training" that Adam Booth seemed to almost perfect with Haye.

I was impressed with his volume against Rebrasse, something i dont feel he could have achieved under his former master, but i do wonder wether he will be able to recapture the power if needed.

Fast twitch refers to types of muscle fibres - you can't increase or decrease the amount or types of fibres you have - so I'm not sure what you mean by this. Maybe you are using this as a metaphor.

Boxing isn't marathon running, fighters basically need to be fit enough to fight for 3 minutes with a 1 minute rest period, in this sense they are like 1500 meter runners, which is somewhere between a sprint and a long distance run.

The main thing which affects stamina is the amount of muscle mass a fighter adds to their natural size, the more they add, the more oxygen is required, and the more lactic acid builds up.

It may be that Groves isn't very good at pacing himself, or perhaps his cardio isn't that great - it's also possible that he just isn't a great athlete, not everyone is created equal, and some people have an ability to increase their stamina or Vo2 max, far more than others.

Comparing him to Froch for instance, Froch seems to be far more of an athlete, given that at an advanced age, he carriers his stamina and punch power all the way until the last seconds of the last round, even in a hard fought fight.

It would be interesting to see their respective training regimes. I know Froch does quite a lot of sprint work, which it seems these days it is regarded as the quickest and least damaging way to acquire cardiovascular fitness.

I guess it depends on how you define 'athlete'. For instance i've come to associate athletic with speed for some reason so in that sense obviously I think we'd all be in agreement that Groves's is the better athlete there.[/quote]


I'd say he had faster hands but as an athlete, Froch pees on him. Groves can not make it to the end of a fight with Carl, wether through stamina or punch resistance/toughness letting him down. Froch goes the distance even when hurt. I don't think speed equals athleticism otherwise you'd have to discount athletes like shot putters and weight lifters as they are mostly about power and not speed. Is Linford Christie a 'better athlete' than Mo Farah simply because he runs faster?

Edit: I reckon I'm much faster than Carl too but am nowhere near 'athlete' status

[danamba7]

I'd say he had faster hands but as an athlete, Froch pees on him. Groves can not make it to the end of a fight with Carl, wether through stamina or punch resistance/toughness letting him down. Froch goes the distance even when hurt. I don't think speed equals athleticism otherwise you'd have to discount athletes like shot putters and weight lifters as they are mostly about power and not speed. Is Linford Christie a 'better athlete' than Mo Farah simply because he runs faster?

Edit: I reckon I'm much faster than Carl too but am nowhere near 'athlete' status

100%. Froch is the natural athlete. His stamina and natural toughness is as freakish as Bolt's speed or Christiano's leap!