Sergey Kovalev Top 5 P4P, Give Sergey the credit he deserves

[man]

Sergey was sensational in thoroughly beating the veteran Hopkins tonight.

Hopkins dropped hard, beat up, and didn't win a single round.

In over 20 years in boxing, fighting the best, no one has ever beat Hopkins this completely.

Where does this put Sergey P4P?

I'd definitely say he's top-5 P4P after this. 120-107 UD over Hopkins is seriously impressive.

would somehow imply that bernard is in the top ten,
which is not the case IMHO … and was not before the
fight either.

[Tony1244]

Sergey was sensational in thoroughly beating the veteran Hopkins tonight.

Hopkins dropped hard, beat up, and didn't win a single round.

In over 20 years in boxing, fighting the best, no one has ever beat Hopkins this completely.

Where does this put Sergey P4P?

I'd definitely say he's top-5 P4P after this. 120-107 UD over Hopkins is seriously impressive.

You do know, Hopkins is 49, right? If Hopkins was 39 this fight wouldn't have been close either, but going all to BHOP.

You never did get back to me as to why 19/25 of the Top P4Pers aren't white. Oh well...

[JCS]

New to English or not..

Syntax is right.

[JCS]

Kovalev is quality, a pretty complete fighter and likely #1 at 175, but the old man finally looked his age last night... and then some.

Like others have said, I didn't expect Kovalev to have such a size advantage. At the weigh-in, they looked nearly the same.. but during the fight, Kovalev did look to be at a least a division larger... but it happens.

At 30, I feel like a piece of me died last night.. just another major fighter who peaked in the last 15 years ultimately having his career ended by a fighter who had every attribute over him except for defense and experience, which don't win fights when combined, let alone individually.

If I were Hopkins and wanted to continue this thing, I'd consider dropping to 168 and calling out Froch.

[Syntax Error]

What is the point in starting different threads with different titles basically saying the same thing?

Hi there, you must be new to the English language, or maybe this is your first time on the Internet.

- Thread 1 "Sergey Kovalev Top P4P" is concerned with Kovalev's P4P placement.

- Thread 2 "Give Sergey Kovalev the credit he deserves" is concerned with an entirely different subject matter of a perceived lack of credit being given, a perceived nationalistic bias, and possible implications.

2 Threads. 2 entirely different conversations. 2 entirely different subject matters.

If you'd like I can also teach you to use Google, YouTube, and "search" features.

I can also teach you geometric basics if you like. Drawing rectangles, constructing paper triangles, and measuring 90 degree angles if you like.

Did you graduate in Patronisation this Summer?

Your two threads basically amount to the same thing in a roundabout way.

You could have merged the two quite easily & thankfully the moderators have seen sense.

[JCS]

It is a sad day when a majority of users on this site pick a Hopkins win, and many in the media predict a Hopkins win, yet now that Sergey has dominated many times these exact same people have come up with excuses in an attempt to discredit his win.

What it comes down to is nationalistic bias and anti-Russian sentiment.

Take your propaganda somewhere else.. How many accounts have you had banned at this point?

[JCS]

I'll give you three reasons, as soon as you admit you are in Canada, not London, and that you are actually TML.

[NateJR]

I think Kovalev is getting plenty of credit for beating a 49 year old man. Dawson was out of the P4P mix when he lost Pascal, but prior to that yes Chad Dawson was recognized as a P4P player. Kovalev fought a smart fight, showed some good skills and proved he's more than just a flat footed, come forward brawler like a lot of people claimed he was.

There's giving him credit and there's giving him more credit than he deserves. I think Kovalev deserves to be in the P4P discussion, a win over old man Hopkins shouldn't put him in the top 5 though because the rest of his record is lacking. I mean lets be serious here lol, Kovalev did after all beat a 49 year old man who's prime was at 160 lbs 10 + years ago. That's just the nature of the situation. The fact that a 49 year old Hopkins is now Kovalevs best win is the reason he doesn't deserve a top 5 spot. Not because I don't want to give him credit, it's because he really hasn't earned the spot lol, it's not like Hopkins was on a 10 year win streak, we already saw Dawson dismantle Hopkins years ago in a lot of the same ways Kovalev last night. The only difference is Kovalev posses more power than Dawson, but Dawson also "easily" beat Hopkins (despite that bullshit judge that scored it a draw).

I'm picking up a certain jadedness in your comments, the kind that's usually associated with the next day feeling of "Oh crap, I picked the wrong guy." or "Oh crap, I just lost 500$ betting on the guy who lost." Mate, it just looks a tad desperate the next day.

Bernard Hopkins fan boy are you? You must have been disappointed when the old man couldn't pull out another from his bag of fouls. Oh sorry I meant "bag of tricks".

Mate, no one has ever beat up Bernard this bad. Sergey beat the crap out of Bernard and won every second of every round.

Your reluctance to give Sergey credit for this historic win comes off as the befuddled ramblings of a confused former Bernard Hopkins groupie and or fan boy. It's truly amazing that people can predict a Hopkins win (majority on this site and many boxing so called "experts" predicted Hopkins W 12) then once Sergey out classes Bernard, these exact same people say Hopkins was old and refuse to give Sergey any credit.

Funny how that works.

What it is is a clear anti-Russian bias.

Actually I picked Kovalev to win, he was the favorite to win for a good reason. He was fighting a blown up middleweight who's 49 years old while Kovalev is in the prime of his career. If that takes being a Hopkins fan or being anti-Russian to see it for what it is, I'm very concerned for your mental well being.

[Tarkus]

What is the point in starting different threads with different titles basically saying the same thing?

This is distinctly an unique thread. The fact that ppl here cant keep to the subject and going in circles is not the creators fault. 8)

To the subject, I would have had the winner of the fight as a p4p top 10, unquestionably. We now have a clear no 1 in the division, which is rare. Also someone with unified 3 belts which is even more rare, there is only one other guy, Klitschko. It also makes Kovalev so much ahead of everyone in the division that there is only one guy with some chance of beating him, Stevenson.

[ikorolev]

If not 5, he is definitely in top 10, possibly 7-8.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

2) You're extremely nationalistic and it's almost a requirement to be American (and black) to make your P4P list.

It's not really my business to respond to the rest of what you're saying but I'd say this one is definitely off the mark. Pre-last night if you saw most people's posted top 10 PFP lists, they broke down something like this:

Ranked by almost everyone: Mayweather, Ward, Rigondeaux, Pacquiao, Marquez
Ranked by most: Bradley, Froch, Klitschko, R Gonzalez
Ranked by some: Golovkin, Alvarez, Lara, D Garcia, M Garcia, Estrada, Hopkins, Kovalev, Stephenson

(there are probably some I've forgotten but you get the idea)

Maybe it would take something extraordinary for a "Russian" to pass Mayweather as #1 but you can see that there is a pretty healthy mix of nationalities (and races FWIW) on there. I don't think people are being unfair to Huck or Abraham in not ranking them top ten. With a few more good wins people won't have a problem considering Usyk, Beterbiev or Lomachenko as worthy candidates.

As for the original question (Is Kovalev top 5 PFP?) I'd say he's in the mix, though he doesn't make it into mine quite. I'd still have Mayweather, Ward (for now), Rigondeaux, Pacquiao, R Gonzalez and Froch ahead at least, with Bradley and Marquez debatable (this is just off the top of my head). Head to head I'd imagine Golovkin annihilating him but Kovalev wins have been against better opposition so far (Hopkins, Cleverly, Campillo > Geale, Macklin, Rubio).

[hurricanemitch14]

1. Ward
2. Mayweather
3. Pacman
4. Rigo
5. GGG
6. Bradley
7. Crawford
8. Danny Garcia
9. Kovalev
10. Alvarez

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

This is getting ridiculous.

The last guy that handled Hopkins was flatlined in one round against Adonis Stevenson for fvck's sake.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

People on this forum love to flip-flop regarding their p4p standards.

If it's by accomplishments (and how easily you've beaten those opponents), then Kovalev is top 10. However, many people have been talking about this "current ability" p4p rating. In that sense, Kovalev is right up there with Floyd, Ward, Rigo and GGG. He's definitely above Manny, JMM, Bradley, and Froch.

[JCS]

It suddenly got a whole lot more quiet in here.

[klitoris]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Ward
4. Klitschko
5. Golovkin
6. Rigondeaux
7. Danny Garcia
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Kovalev
10. Bradley or Terrence Crawford (if he beats Beltran this month)

[Horse]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Ward
4. Klitschko
5. Golovkin
6. Rigondeaux
7. Danny Garcia
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Kovalev
10. Bradley or Terrence Crawford (if he beats Beltran this month)

Garcia recently lost to Herrera, he doesn't belong in the P4P top 10.

[jeppo]

Like I said about Froch, Leave Ward, Kovolov & Golovkin alone these guys are different class.

[ikorolev]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Ward
4. Klitschko
5. Golovkin
6. Rigondeaux
7. Danny Garcia
8. Roman Gonzalez
9. Kovalev
10. Bradley or Terrence Crawford (if he beats Beltran this month)

Garcia recently lost to Herrera, he doesn't belong in the P4P top 10.

Exactly, and Bradley should have at least one more loss on his record.

[hurricanemitch14]

Bradleys win over Marquez puts him in the top ten even if he got a gift dec. over Pacman.

[ikorolev]

Bradley also had a very close fight with Provo where he barely survived a stoppage loss.

[Othro]

A definite no for me but it's more reasonable than Golovkin being top 10.

[crusader]

Sergey shouldn't be in the top 5 yet in my opinion but I think he's got a good argument for lower top ten.

[MachoTime]

As far as Kovalev is concerned I'd say he's top ten along with GGG. The order really does not matter. Whether Kovalev is five or ten does not matter.

[KBB]

He won't have a proper opponent? He has just completely dominated hopkins, a world champion that the majority (box rec poll) said would win the fight.

Some people are in serious denial.

What is it?

Russians can't be P4P champs?
Non black Americans can't be P4P champs?
Europeans can't be P4P champs?

I'm clutching at straws here, what is it?

to emphasize once more, unless i'm mistaken, horse had hopkins number 9 P4P, and Kovalev has just pissed all over hopkins.

Why bring race into the equation? I can remember when Oscar who is American was P4P, so was Donaire but maybe you consider them black???