Boxing IBHOF Outlook: Help me update my list!

[JCS]

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The below list is from exactly 1 year ago

It is an outlook on who is due for the IBHOF and who may be due if their career continues on a similar path...

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Comments Welcome:



Current boxers or recently retired (2000+):

"The Locks", "Probable", "Maybe", and "Worth a Mention.." lists -- factor only previous achievements for current boxers (as if they voluntarily retired today).


Last Updated: Late 2013 (changes in parantheses)

Locks
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Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Oscar De La Hoya [INDUCTED in 2014]
Joe Calzaghe [INDUCTED in 2014]
Evander Holyfield
Shane Mosley
Felix Trinidad [INDUCTED in 2014]
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Wladimir Klitschko



Probable
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Hector Camacho Sr.
Naseem Hamed
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Arce
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Miguel Cotto
Johnny Tapia
Vitali Klitschko



Maybe
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Michael Nunn
Vic Darchinyan
Vernon Forrest
Joel Casamayor
Jose Luis Castillo
Wilfredo Vazquez Sr
Robert Guerrero
Nonito Donaire
Diego Corrales
Fernando Montiel
Tomasz Adamek
Sergio Martinez
Paul Williams
Tim Bradley
Omar Narvaez


Not yet... but (Speculative - In or past their 7th pro year / have enough quality years left with a good chance to get in the above lists.)
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Brian Viloria
Roman Gonzalez
Andre Ward
Felix Sturm
Anselmo Moreno
Hugo Cazares
Abner Mares
Chris John
Mikey Garcia
Danny Garcia
Gennady Golovkin
Jhonny Gonzalez
Saul Alvarez
Leo Santa Cruz


Worth a Mention, But Probably Not
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Acelino Freitas
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Dariusz Michalczewski
Zab Judah
Mikkel Kessler

[ikorolev]

What is a criteria ?

[JCS]

What is a criteria ?

Huh?

[crusader]

I'd probably demote Robert Guerrero at this point. To me the 'Not yet...but' category seems more fitting for him.

[ikorolev]

What were you basing on when including some fighters and excluding others ?

[MachoTime]

I'd put Cotto as definite and move James Toney down a notch.

[JCS]

What were you basing on when including some fighters and excluding others ?

Careers?

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

I'd put Cotto as definite and move James Toney down a notch.

I'd agree with this. There are a few too many marks on Toney's career but he is still probable. The name that leapt out at me as being surely worthy of a maybe is Carl Froch. At least, he's worthy of being in the conversation with Guerrero, Castillo, Darchinyan, Montiel etc.

[Horse]

Carl Froch
Adonis Stevenson
Shinsuke Yamanaka

[ikorolev]

What were you basing on when including some fighters and excluding others ?

Careers?

what is in Canelo's career putting him on the list which Kovalev doesnt have ?

[crusader]

Agree with Horse on Froch. I think he should at least be in the 'Maybe' category.

[Jpreisser]

Toney is a definite Hall-of-Famer if Mosley is. He is a 3-division champion, 2-0-1 against McCallum, had wins over Nunn, Barkley, Williams, Jirov, Holyfield, and other contenders. Plus he competed effectively at heavyweight.

I know it is boxing and therefore there isn't much of a moral compass, but does anyone think steroids users will be rejected into the Hall-of-Fame?

[JCS]

What were you basing on when including some fighters and excluding others ?

Careers?

what is in Canelo's career putting him on the list which Kovalev doesnt have ?

Did you read that the list as posted was from 1 year ago?

[Freedom2013]

Dariusz Michalczewski belongs in the IBHOF.

He went 48-0 with a long list of successful title defenses and won titles in two divisions.

I remember he beat Virgil Hill to unify the light heavyweight titles. Yet Hill was voted into the IBHOF, while Dariusz was not.

[ikorolev]

Did you read that the list as posted was from 1 year ago?

Oops, not sure how I managed to miss that. Well, Kovalev obviously belongs to at least "not yet".

[Lackeos]

Huck has been in 16 world title fights by age 29, so he is probably worth a mention.
Ward belonged higher up last year and still does. He is considered #2 p4p, and I'm not sure how often a #2 p4p fails to make the hall of fame.
I don't think Paul Williams is very close to making the hall of fame at all.

[JCS]

Did you read that the list as posted was from 1 year ago?

Oops, not sure how I managed to miss that. Well, Kovalev obviously belongs to at least "not yet".

Doesn't meet the time requirement. You sure are a fan, aren't you.

[JCS]

With Cotto's win over Martinez this year.. he probably has become a "lock".

Guerrero is due a downgrade.. he has been a bit stagnant.

I don't think Adonis Stevenson is close. Lineal championship yes, but being such a late bloomer.. I don't really foresee him getting in.

Carl Froch is an interesting case. Only fought in one division in which he's never been "THE" guy. Many quality wins though. Doubt there are many fighters in the IBHOF with just 33 wins.

The IBHOF isn't kind to homebodies (excluding UK and USA).. so Huck is facing an uphill battle.

Paul Williams is going to get extra credit as his career was cut short due to injury.

If Andre Ward voluntarily retired today, I'm not convinced he gets in.

Roman Gonzalez is probably due an upgrade.

[crusader]

^

I agree about Stevenson, especially in light of his arguably declining popularity due to his perceived duck of Kovalev; it seems to me like he's fallen out of favor with fans and the media, and members of the latter are ultimately the key arbiters of induction. Conversely, I think Gonzalez has broken through more with the American boxing media (e.g. being ranked in The Ring and ESPN's P4P list) following his recent lineal title win, so I agree that his chances have increased.

[JCS]

What are the thoughts on..

Hugo Cazares and Jhonny Gonzalez?

[DazDiCanio]

What am i missing that Chavez Snr isn't in it? Something glaringly obvious no doubt

[JCS]

What am i missing that Chavez Snr isn't in it? Something glaringly obvious no doubt

.... He's already in. Right?

[DazDiCanio]

What am i missing that Chavez Snr isn't in it? Something glaringly obvious no doubt

.... He's already in. Right?

Ye, i'm totally missing the point of this thread, sorry

[JCS]

What am i missing that Chavez Snr isn't in it? Something glaringly obvious no doubt

.... He's already in. Right?

Ye, i'm totally missing the point of this thread, sorry

It's not rocket science. Sorry it is confusing.

[world ranked]

What are the thoughts on..

Hugo Cazares and Jhonny Gonzalez?

Cazares doesn't really have a HOF level win and lost to Calderon several times. I think Jhonny Gonzales should be on the maybe list. I think his win vs Mares for me tells me he's been on a high level for a long time and has several boarderline HOF level wins and his losses have been to boardline level guys as well.