Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route

[tiny_acres]

I have to give FERG credit.He does back up his arguments with facts.

[Ricky_]

Bradley is at least 1 weight class bigger than Pacquiao.

[KBB]

Of course fans will jump at morons saying something like

If Kovalev keeps the distance and a good pace of the fight and throw bombs at Bernard's body, arms and shoulders, then he will be the one who disarmed his opponent. Unless BHop manages to open a cut by a head butt or performs "I can't use my arm"/"That was a low blow. I can't continue" scene, Kovalev wins by stoppage within 6.

[Ricky_]

sigh... this what happens when people who don't have a clue about the sport want to talk as if as though they do.


Bradley slightly taller, Pacquiao just has hair, but i'm not sure why i'm even entertaining height. This is the sort of conversation you have with a casual fan in a bar. Hearns was taller than Frazier & Tyson.


#2 i'm not sure where you got your ring weights from but and if they are accurate, but here's an idea, use your eyes. Bradley is a drainer, has been his whole career. 152 an am, drains to 140 & 147 in his pro career and maintains a vegan diet to keep his body's ability to get that low.

Pacquaio was a major drainer too... at featherweight.

Look how ripped Bradley is, if you want to see Pacquiao reach the same ocnditioning check him out at 129lb;

http://i40.tinypic.com/2iksbrp.jpg


So let's recap that for you; Bradley at 147lb = shredded. Pacquiao at 147lb = chubby. Pacquiao at 129lb = shredded.


I hope you've found today's lesson informative.

[IKSRTFO]

[quote="fergusg

• Manny Pacquiao (5’ 6 ½” tall and weighing 150lbs) is SMALLER than Timothy Bradley (5’ 6” and 147lbs)!

So you're going to use Pacquiao's fight night weight against Bradley's weigh in weight? That's stupid. Pacquiao weighed in 147 just like Bradley and Bradley walks around when he's not fighting at 165+ He's clearly bigger than Pacquiao

[IKSRTFO]

Bradley is much bigger than Pacquiao.

the fact you are crackin on about height shows you don't have a fuckin clue what about size.

Bradley is at least 1 weight class bigger than Pacquiao.

I can’t believe you’ve actually posted a photo that undermines your own argument! Not only is Pacquiao clearly taller, but the rehydration weights for both bouts clearly contradict your claims:
• Pacquiao (150lbs) vs. Bradley (147lbs) - First fight
• Pacquiao (151lbs) vs. Bradley (152lbs) - Rematch

I have to give FERG credit.He does back up his arguments with facts.

Thank you very much! I’m having some good fun with Ricky and IKSRTFO.

How does someone weigh in 150 in a welterweight fight? And if those were fight night weights, where's your proof?

[Ricky_]

#2 i'm not sure where you got your ring weights from but and if they are accurate, but here's an idea, use your eyes. Bradley is a drainer, has been his whole career. 152 an am, drains to 140 & 147 in his pro career and maintains a vegan diet to keep his body's ability to get that low.

I hope you've found today's lesson informative.

I cited Tim Bradley's rehydration weight, so I really couldn't care less about your "drainer" theory, because it's irrelevant.

By the way, here's my source, which uses HBO &Showtime stats supplied during broadcasts:
http://basementgymboxing.blogspot.co.uk ... st-of.html

You think draining is a "theory".

Sigh.

[IKSRTFO]

#2 i'm not sure where you got your ring weights from but and if they are accurate, but here's an idea, use your eyes. Bradley is a drainer, has been his whole career. 152 an am, drains to 140 & 147 in his pro career and maintains a vegan diet to keep his body's ability to get that low.

I hope you've found today's lesson informative.

I cited Tim Bradley's rehydration weight, so I really couldn't care less about your "drainer" theory, because it's irrelevant.

By the way, here's my source, which uses HBO &Showtime stats supplied during broadcasts:
http://basementgymboxing.blogspot.co.uk ... st-of.html

Where's your proof that Bradley stayed at 147 in the first fight? Especially considering his fight night weight in his last few fight at 140 were 150-155

[IKSRTFO]

Boxrec also lists Diego Corrales as 5'10 and Paul Williams as 6'1 when both were likely taller.

[Ricky_]

Here you go, the left pic is Pacquiao 147lb vs Marquez IV.

On the right we have Bradley weighing the same vs Provodnikov.




Tell the forum one more time, who the bigger man is, and we can end it there, thanks.

[Ricky_]

Just say that you think Bradley is a bigger man than Pacquiao one more time for the record, thanks.

[Ricky_]

I forgot that height throws you off and you don't really understand size so i zoomed the pic on the left a little for you little buddy.




Pacquiao and Bradley weigh in pics at weighing 147lb.




Now be a champ and tell the forum which of those 2 men you think is bigger

[Ricky_]

I forgot that height throws you off and you don't really understand size so i zoomed the pic on the left a little for you little buddy.



Pacquiao and Bradley weigh in pics at weighing 147lb.

Now be a champ and tell the forum which of those 2 men you think is bigger

I can do this all day! It’s simply a case of copy and paste!

You’ve posted a fantastically stupid photo, because in the real-world… everything looks bigger close up (unless you live in "Wonderland"… and if you do, how’s Alice?).


You claimed that “Bradley was much bigger than Pacquiao…”

Here are some facts:
• Pacquiao is taller than Bradley
• Pacquiao was 3lbs heavier than Bradley for their first fight
• Pacquiao was 1lb lighter than Bradley for their rematch

I really don’t need to say anymore, do I?

Are you too embarrassed to say you think Bradley is bigger?

Surely it can be more embarrassing than talking about height or claiming stuff you found on "blogspot" is fact?



C'mon, just say it already, you think Bradley is bigger, right?

[IKSRTFO]

But it's funny how you fully expect and support Floyd to take the safe route.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=184826

If Floyd only competes against established and PPV worthy names in his weight range (140lbs to 154lbs), avoiding the anonymous young hungry lions... then only Father Time can prevent Floyd from winning his final three (possibly four) fights of his career.

And how you make excuses for Floyd not fighting some people

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=186014

To be honest, if you consider all the black fighters currently competing within Floyd’s weight range (i.e. 140lbs to 154lbs), most of them aren’t viable opponents:
• Lamont Peterson - Has been KO'd in three rounds against Lucas Matthysse… and also "temporarily" failed a drug test
• Adrien Broner - Fight probably would have never happened as they’re “bros”, coupled with the fact that he dropped a wide decision to Marcos Maidana
• Jermell Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Jermall Charlo - Merely a prospect
• Erislandy Lara - Not a great resume and has only won four of his last eight bouts, so a fight against him would be difficult to sell
• Ishe Smith - Recently lost by decision to Carlos Molina
• Cornelius Bundrage - Recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith
• Demetrius Andrade - Only recently arrived onto the 154lb scene as a top-tier fighter, but has a limited resume & a small fan-base
• Austin Trout - Not a stylistically enjoyable fighter to watch and has suffered recent losses to Canelo Alvarez & Erislandy Lara
• Shawn Porter - Has only recently arrived onto the world stage and lost his most recent bout against Kell Brook
• Devon Alexander - Has a recent loss on his record against Shawn Porter
• Kell Brook - Has only recently won a world title and had previously either declined or withdrawn from title bouts against Cornelius Bundrage, Manny Pacquiao and Devon Alexander
• Timothy Bradley - Is contractually tied to Top Rank & HBO, so he'll never be granted an opportunity to face Mayweather… and Bradley knew this when he signed Bob Arum's contract extension
• Keith Thurman - A talented fighter, but has limited drawing power, isn't a "real" world champion and his resume isn't good enough to be considered a viable opponent for the man sitting on the pound-for-pound throne

[Ricky_]

If you believe that the evidence that I have cited is incorrect, then rather than post stupid photos that misrepresent size due to perspective or a disparity in distance, why don’t you perform some research to undermine my claims?

the photograph doesn't misrepresent anything, you just don't have a clue what your looking at. Pacquiao is very soft at 147, infact looking at the photo he has some love handles going on over his sweats. Bradley at 147 is ripped to shreds with bodyfat low enough and conditioning good enough to take part in a bodybuilding show.

Donaire could outweigh Bradley on the scales or in the ring if he dieted on donuts & big macs over the next 2 months. Does it make him a bigger man?

Bradley is much bigger than Pacquiao, his frame is much bigger, it's evident from looking at them, or by the fact that Bradley competed at higher weights as an am and drains down to LWW & WW meanwhile Pac has blown up through the weights having started 41lb lower at 106lb.

[IKSRTFO]

Let's say for argument safe that Bradley is smaller. How is choosing Bradley, even a smaller fighter taking the safe route? Bradley is not an easy fight for anyone including Floyd. Just ask Alexander who's more dangerous to fight, Bradley or Maidana?


So Bradley isn't a threat to Manny but Maidana was a threat to Floyd? Alexander would disagree with that.

[hoagylt]

You guy's argue over the stupidest sh-t.And it becomes just annoying.

[Dennis]

Let’s get back on track, because people are getting distracted by trivial irrelevant arguments, whilst forgetting the actual topic of the thread, which was…

"Manny Pacquiao is taking the safe route"

After getting KO'd by Juan Manuel Marquez, Manny took on Brandon Rios who Team Pacquiao knew was no real threat. Then the rematch with Bradley who might give him some problems but again was no threat to KO Manny. Now Team Pacquiao has Manny facing Chris Algieri who again might give Manny some problems but will be NO THREAT whatsoever of KO'ing Manny. It appears that they are worried about a repeat of what happened in his last fight with Marquez which is why they are taking on a guy with a very low KO %.

I’m not an expert when it comes to Manny Pacquiao, but could it be argued that the main reason for him facing a low-key opponent like Chris Algieri, was due to a lack of depth in the Top Rank stable.

Here’s a high-level overview of the boxing landscape during the aftermath of the Pacquiao’s victory over Tim Bradley:
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. - An Al Haymon fighter contracted to Showtime
• Tim Bradley - Was clearly defeated by Pacquiao in his previous fight
• Juan Manuel Marquez - Pacquiao's advisor (Michael Koncz) wasn't keen on the match-up due to the size of the fight purse demanded by Marquez and (at the time) had lost his previous bout against Tim Bradley
• Kell Brook - Was already in line to face Shawn Porter
• Marcos Maidana - Currently an Al Haymon fighter (but was in negotiations with him at the time) and was already scheduled to fight Floyd Mayweather
• Shawn Porter - An Al Haymon fighter that was already scheduled to fight Kell Brook
• Keith Thurman - An Al Haymon fighter
• Robert Guerrero - An Al Haymon fighter
• Amir Khan - An Al Haymon fighter
• Devon Alexander - An Al Haymon fighter
• Ruslan Provodnikov - Was scheduled to face Chris Algieri, which was a fight he lost and is no longer promoted by Top Rank
• Luis Collazo - An Al Haymon fighter that was scheduled to face Amir Khan, who he eventually lost to
• Andre Berto - An Al Haymon fighter that lost his previous two fights
• Paulie Malignaggi - An Al Haymon fighter that may be retired and was destroyed by Shawn Porter
• Danny Garcia - An Al Haymon fighter that still compaigns at 140lbs
• Lucas Matthysse - An Al Haymon fighter
• Lamont Peterson - An Al Haymon fighter
• Adrien Broner - An Al Haymon fighter

Freddie Roach has recently maintained that Manny Pacquiao should be campaigning at 140lbs and doesn’t want him to face fully-fledged 154lb-er's, so he couldn't have fought the following light middleweights even if he wanted to:
• Canelo Alvarez - Was already scheduled to fight Erislandy Lara & was technically a Showtime fighter at the time
• Austin Trout - An Al Haymon fighter
• Jermell Charlo - An Al Haymon fighter
• Jermall Charlo - An Al Haymon fighter
• Erislandy Lara - An Al Haymon fighter that was scheduled to fight Canelo Alvarez
• Alfredo Angulo - An Al Haymon fighter
• Demetrius Andrade - An Al Haymon fighter
• Vanes Martirosyan - An Al Haymon fighter
• Carlos Molina - An Al Haymon fighter
• Ishe Smith - Affiliated to Al Haymon by proxy of being a Mayweather fighter
• Cornelius "K9" Bundrage - Had recently lost by decision to Ishe Smith, so he wasn’t a viable opponent at the time

And as we all know, the general rule that has very few exceptions (other than purse bids won for low-key fighters)…

(Al Haymon OR Showtime) + (HBO OR Top Rank) = NO FIGHT!

To be honest, I can understand the reason why Bob Arum chose Chris Algieri, because it seems as though his options were limited.

@Dennis - Therefore, if Manny Pacquiao really was “taking the safe route”, who should he have fought to maintain your respect? If you feel that he was ducking someone, then please name the viable opponents that he should have fought instead?

That information about the various boxers proves my point. Pacquiao knew by re-signing with TR and Bob Arum he could avoid boxing all the guys you listed who are with Al Haymon, Mayweather and/or Showtime. So a better question would be "why did Manny re-sign with TR?".

[KBB]

What’s this got to do with the topic of the thread? Are you one of those poor unfortunate souls that suffers from a severe dose of “keyboard Tourette’s” syndrome?

Why don't you try asking that to Ikorolev (whatever her name is) because she posted this first:


Of course fans will jump at morons saying something like

KBB wrote:

Sergey's best chance to win is to ambush Hopkins within the first 4-5 rounds, after that Nard will have gauged Kova's timing, reach and reactions to his feints and traps then the schooling will begin. If Kova is going to get it done then he better do it early or it won't happen at all, look for a wide UD by BHop who'll make it look obvious after 4-5 rounds.



KBB wrote:

I think they fight exactly the same (Pavlik and Kovalev), there will be no need for fouls or dirty tricks because that isn't all that is in Hopkins' arsenal, it seems you are forgetting that BHop can actually box and if a slow and unskilled Darnell Boone can take Kovalev the distance then what can a more skillful, faster and smarter Hopkins with a better defense do to him?

[ikorolev]

KBB, you are also a liar ! The only reason I was talking about Kovalev is that you introduced him and another fighter you like to pick at:

Somebody should've told you that you are so barking up the wrong tree on this forum coming at Manny Pacquiao, there are two other fighters you can't say anything bad about on this forum besides him that 99.9% of the people will jump all over you for:

Kovalev

GGG

[Ricky_]

If you believe that the evidence that I have cited is incorrect, then rather than post stupid photos that misrepresent size due to perspective or a disparity in distance, why don’t you perform some research to undermine my claims?

the photograph doesn't misrepresent anything, you just don't have a clue what your looking at.... blah, blah, blah.... insult.... blah, blah, blah... irrelevant stuff... blah, blah, blah...insult...

In simple terms, despite the accurate statistics that I've supplied that are used to measure the height and weight of Bradley & Pacquiao, you’re unable to support your stance with any real information whatsoever?

Even the photos you’ve posted have been edited and manipulated so that the side-by-side comparison makes Bradley look enormous when compared to Pacquiao, despite the blatantly obvious fact that Tim’s photo was taken from a shorter distance!

I don’t mind, but the photos merely show both fighters’ torsos, but exclude their legs and both men aren't stood in precisely the same pose, which obviously makes the ability to perform a true comparison utterly impossible.

The following facts are irrefutable:
• Pacquiao is taller than Bradley
• Pacquiao was 3lbs heavier than Bradley when he entered the ring for their first fight
• Pacquiao was 1lb lighter than Bradley when he entered the ring for their rematch

I simply haven’t got the patience to discuss other fighters with you, so don't even bother mentioning them.

The side-by-side photo shows the fighters scaled to about the same size but that's irrelevant - the conditioning is relevant, which you can clearly see, the pics aren't taken from the back of a hall on a cell phone, they are press pictures.

Height is irrelevant.

Weight is only relevant when it's in tandem with conditioning.

That last part seems to be where you start to struggle like a child trying to get to grips with adding or subtracting having only just learned to count.

Eric Morales weighed 142lb in his fight vs Danny Garcia, who weighed in at 139.5lb. Who was bigger? Garcia ofcourse, because he's a young kid, extremely lean, and dehydrates 10+ lb in the last day or 2 leading up to the fight. Morales was fat and old. Pacquiao isn't conditioned at welterweight, Bradley on the other hand has some of the best conditioning i've ever seen. He's what you'd call competition-ready at 147lb, shredded and lean. His skeleton, body composition, muscularly, etc... all much bigger than Pacquiao. You should learn about size instead of bringing up height in every post... on a boxing forum, you're making a damn fool of yourself. Have some laughing faces since you love them so much

[ikorolev]

In one interview which I don't have time to look for now, Bradley said that he is a big man walking at 170 or 175 pounds which really surprised me. Here is an article saying that at one time he was as big as 185 pounds:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/71 ... ao-rematch

... and in amateurs he fought at 152 while Pac started at 108.

[Badhusker]

Is it being sarcastic to say all four guys had to come up in weight to fight Pacquiao or is it a fact?[/quote]



How about plain ridiculous?[/quote]

Bradley, Rios, JMM, and Algieri........ not 147 lbers when they fought Pacquiao. In Bradley's second fight, yes, he had the welterweight title. I think up to that point he had about 3 fights total at welter.

Rios was a 135-140lber, JMM was 135-140lber for most of his recent career, Algieri is a 140 lber.

By smaller guys, I mean guys that mainly campaigned at a weight lower than Pac was at, at the time they fought. Bigger vs smaller to some simply means height. To others it is solely based on how much they re-hydrate to. To some it is their walking around weight. If you compare the tale of the tape of Pac vs Floyd, for example, Pac is bigger in every category except height....and also about a year and a half younger.

[JCS]

I forgot that height throws you off and you don't really understand size so i zoomed the pic on the left a little for you little buddy.




Pacquiao and Bradley weigh in pics at weighing 147lb.




Now be a champ and tell the forum which of those 2 men you think is bigger

Clearly Bradley is leaner... but this is about as scientific as an abacus.

[Cyclops]

Is fergusg Rover?