Browne vs Welliver

[Zhuge]

We protest with the people and demand a rematch and more matches against the weak punching Aussie HW's.

I was doing some stat computation on Welliver's career to this point. As we all know he has 405 straight HW rounds without going down 2nd only in the active ranks to the ancient Oliver McCall and 3rd all time in the ranks behind Chuvalo and McCall. 405 rounds is a hell of a big sampling and considering Welliver lost a couple hand fulls of fights, and a good bit of rounds along the way, it is fair to say he has taken thousands and thousands of punches in his career. The biggest beef people have is his level of competition. Well I broke some stats out of them.

At the time of the fight, not their career before and after, Welliver's opponents have had a combined 577 KO stoppages of some form or another against various other HW's. 577 dudes dropped and stopped behind their punches. Chauncy goes 405 rounds against the same fists that have dropped and stopped 577 men and never gets dropped a single time. Gold Medalists to Arm Wrestling Champion Loudmouths, he's fought them all the way up and down the scale. Starting at 18 and just a pup. Overall the guys he's fought have stopped over 700 other HW's in their careers.

HW boxers can punch. Even many of the guys who are not very good can punch. No matter how you slice it Chauncy Welliver has proven to have an iron chin. The only thing keeping a David Tua like Lucas Browne highlight KO from going around today is Welliver's massive beard. He was clobbered while blind with some big arse bombs that looked an awful lot like Tua vs Ruiz without the guy crumbling under the shots. He's taken everything and the kitchen sink in his fights. Australia stepped up to try and take him down.....AUSTRALIA FAILED!

Some of these posts are classic. They belong in the boxrec hall of fame alongside the classic (and sadly lost) All American Prizefighter thread started by "cash" as well as many of those that hyped up JD "the Natural" Chapman; and the Goodson-Carlo drama.

[tsmithy50]

I think Welliver would make a very good journeyman, if that's a route he wants to take now. Four and six round novices would find it very hard to get through his cross armed defence and the sheer bulk of him, whilst getting much neede ring time. I'm not sure that's a route he's wanting to take though considering only a couple of years ago he had top 10-15 aspirations.

[Kronkpride]

Welliver is a championship round fighter. 10-12 rounds. A rematch with Browne or a shot at Alex Leapai or Kali Meehan would be a good ticket. Or Tua if he ever comes out of his spider hole. But I'd really like to target Toronto. Honor the greatest living chins in the world in one arena and one ring in Toronto.

Picture it.....early 2015 with a warm spring breeze. Oliver McCall vs Chauncy Welliver taking their 432 and 405 straight HW rounds without going down streaks into the same ring to set a record. But before, and likely again after, George Chuvalo and his 507 straight HW rounds without going down streak joins them. 1344 going in, and likely 1368 going out. Celebrate Chuvalo as The Greatest....F Ali....and Welliver and McCall will go at it to be the only guys close to ever chasing the real Big George down. Sky Dome Or Bust!

[Tony1244]

Due to Kronk's Rantings, I looked forward to this fight more than I would have without his rantings, and that's what it's all about. I credit Welliver's fan for peaking my interest.

Welliver takes a great shot and going 400+ rounds with never having been knocked down and stopped only 3 times is something to be very proud of.

But, yes, a "but" is coming, BUT comparing Welliver to Chuvalo or even McCall is ridiculous. Welliver has beaten no one like Jerry Quarry or Lennox Lewis. Chuvalo was competitive against Bonavena. Welliver's best win may be against a very old Bert Cooper.

[GilFilmore]

Welliver is a championship round fighter. 10-12 rounds. A rematch with Browne or a shot at Alex Leapai or Kali Meehan would be a good ticket. Or Tua if he ever comes out of his spider hole. But I'd really like to target Toronto. Honor the greatest living chins in the world in one arena and one ring in Toronto.

Picture it.....early 2015 with a warm spring breeze. Oliver McCall vs Chauncy Welliver taking their 432 and 405 straight HW rounds without going down streaks into the same ring to set a record. But before, and likely again after, George Chuvalo and his 507 straight HW rounds without going down streak joins them. 1344 going in, and likely 1368 going out. Celebrate Chuvalo as The Greatest....F Ali....and Welliver and McCall will go at it to be the only guys close to ever chasing the real Big George down. Sky Dome Or Bust!

Kronk, please tell me you're getting paid as Welliver's publicist or manager. There are easily 1,000 better fighters than Chauncey Welliver for whom you could back and have valid arguments.

I honestly feel bad that you've wasted all of this time defending Chauncey Welliver the way you have. I'm sure he's a great person but the great fighter or enigma that you are trying to make him out to be, HE IS NOT!!!

[tiny_acres]

Welliver is a championship round fighter. 10-12 rounds. A rematch with Browne or a shot at Alex Leapai or Kali Meehan would be a good ticket. Or Tua if he ever comes out of his spider hole. But I'd really like to target Toronto. Honor the greatest living chins in the world in one arena and one ring in Toronto.

Picture it.....early 2015 with a warm spring breeze. Oliver McCall vs Chauncy Welliver taking their 432 and 405 straight HW rounds without going down streaks into the same ring to set a record. But before, and likely again after, George Chuvalo and his 507 straight HW rounds without going down streak joins them. 1344 going in, and likely 1368 going out. Celebrate Chuvalo as The Greatest....F Ali....and Welliver and McCall will go at it to be the only guys close to ever chasing the real Big George down. Sky Dome Or Bust!

Kronk, please tell me you're getting paid as Welliver's publicist or manager. There are easily 1,000 better fighters than Chauncey Welliver for whom you could back and have valid arguments.

I honestly feel bad that you've wasted all of this time defending Chauncey Welliver the way you have. I'm sure he's a great person but the great fighter or enigma that you are trying to make him out to be, HE IS NOT!!!

I respect Kronk for sticking to his guns.Though I think he is wrong about Welliver's talents.
I do respect the length he will go to defending him.

[Kronkpride]

I voluntarily joined the army of Wellivermaniacs. I'm not just a client though, I'm also the President. Commander In Chief Of Welliver Nation. I work like Lee Iaccoca did at Chrysler. A dollar a year until the company turns profits in the millions per year. And since I got a couple tickets to Detroit 187 Welliver Kills It....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_QJo-YLT2A I'm in it for at least 46 more years no matter how it goes. Welliver Nation will be back. With 2 eyes and looking for some Aussies to smack.

[Kronkpride]

I'm going to tell you people how it is and the real problem with what is going on....why you cannot recognize Chauncy's talents like I can.

You are all brainwashed by the pussification of boxing and the illegal mandates that have occurred to prevent men like Chauncy Welliver from continuing to dominate the sport of boxing like they had prior to government and mafia getting into the sport.

When 2 men really fight....there is no round limits. No man is ever beaten until he goes down...and can't get back up. Kimbo Slice had a better grasp of the rules in Miami than in the ring as a pro. And Chauncy could have been the Native American Kimbo Slice. He was just a teenager in Florida with Shannon Briggs when Briggs tried to get him to participate in a so called illegal street match. Cops came in and Briggs ran off and left Chauncy. If not for that he would have become 100 times bigger than Slice did. Kimbo Slice was just a slice of Welliver on the streets. And in the real ring under real rules.

Wladimir is built to outscore for 12 rounds and then time out is called and that is it. He can beat Welliver most of the time able to call time out after 36 minutes. Welliver is ready to go 36 hours. And is an unlimited round fighter. Built for the longest hauls like all the old champions. The only reason Welliver is not very near Chuvalo's record 507 rounds is that Chuvalo got 15 round action while Welliver had many 12 round decisions where he would have just kept going another 3 rounds, winning or losing.

My point is....I back a man who cannot be floored....nobody wins against a man they cannot drop. That is like Charlie Zelenoff calling time out after hitting Deontay Wilder and claiming a win. In unlimited round action I back the baddest man on the planet. Period. Only McCall has an argument and they should sign up an unlimited round fight to see who is truly the World Unlimited Round HW Champion.

[HomicideHenry]

Mark... how much are they paying you? lol

[dougie-boyjr]

Hopefully welliver never fights again what a shape to enter a ring

[Tony1244]

<<<....nobody wins against a man they cannot drop.>>>Kronkpride

Unadulterated Nonsense.


Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis, Ali could all be dropped. Wepner, Chuvalo, Marion Wilson, Tex Cobb, and Welliver were likely harder to drop.

Like I said, be a fan of anyone you like. Nothing wrong with being a fan of a bad team or a journeyman boxer. I've been guilty of both. But I will callout a nonsense statement when I see one.

[Cap]

Browne should work up a good sweat before he tackles a real fighter. One or two good Aussie opponents around who'd give him a rough go.

[Brute]

I posted congratulations before I got to see the fight. I trusted the Aussie punks in the thread had told the truth about what happened in the fight. Then I watched it and it was all BS! The Aussie's are more blind than Chauncy with a completely closed eye.

The 2 guys clashed heads and the cuts to both were from that clash. Browne got the least of the damage by quite a damn ways. Browne's corner even says they said you head butted him in the corner between the 3rd and 4th rounds. Welliver's eye balloons from there and it was not from punching. The butt fractured his eye socket. Then the clown arse announcers lie like crazy and say Browne's hands caused the damage.....not a bit. Browne couldn't even shake him when he got to tee off for 5 minutes on a blind fighter. The announcers say Chauncy doesn't want to be in there.....he can't even see what is going on in there in the 5th round at all. The whole thing was a biased joke.

They intentionally did not show the replays in the 3rd round where the head butt occurred. They also intentionally never commented on what Browne's corner said about the head butt. Browne's corner admits to being told ringside about the head butt so the knowledge is there all about it....they sweep it under the rug. Lie like some douchebags and make claims that things went on and are going on because Browne did the damage. He did the damage with his damn head. They would not even show how Browne got his cut or how Welliver got his......piss poor coverage. The reason they did not is because it was a head butt. No Contest at the end of the 3rd round is how any professionally ran bout would go. They robbed Welliver and then slandered him while hiding the truth.

Can you people not hear what is said at 11:45 in the Browne corner? Can you people not see the simultaneous cuts caused by the head butt commented on at 11:45 i the video? Can you not see that the TV crew made 0 effort to identify where the cuts came from? Can you not see that Welliver is as blind as can be in the 5th round. The only time Browne shows any separation in the fight is after the head butt and against a blinded opponent. They are going crazy for him like he did something except benefit from a clash of heads that should have stopped the bout after 3 rounds. If Browne's eye was the closed eye the bout would have been stopped and ruled a no contest...and they would have showed the butt happen. But Browne was the house fighter and everybody in the building went along with the fake arse story instead of telling and showing the truth. F You Aussies!

Very strong argument here Kronk. You should appeal the stoppage. This should be a no contest. Chauncey Welliver is still the best pound for pound fighter ever.

304.5 pounds & pound for pound . Good joke!

[Brute]

Congratulations to Lucas Browne. He stopped Welliver with his fists. Solis did not and Bronco Billy got the gift of a life time. Lucas damaged him and is the only person to ever legitimately stop Chauncy.

He's still never been down though. 405 rounds. And he is still the most gifted chin of this generation across all weight classes. And his climb to #5 in the world with the WBO and WBC is probably the biggest feat done in boxing this decade. He was not even the best boxer in his family. He never wanted to even be a boxer. And he was a side show for a long time before he got serious to make his run the best he could. And it culminated in what is the biggest results/talent ratio this decade. Nobody with less got further. His chin is the only world class tool he has. His power is very poor for HW. His speed is not all that. His technique is also not all that good. But his chin and heart is unmatched. And when it comes down to it he went as far as he could with what he had. A couple points in China derailed what could have been an ultra epic run but it still was rather epic. Nobody will ever forget him or his #1 fan in this world not also named Welliver. I am proud of him and everything he did. Team Welliver 4 Life.

No excuses. The better man won. The more prepared man won. And hopefully Browne can keep on winning and give Australia the HW Champion they've been looking for.

As for Chauncy, heal up my brother and know that we will always back you up, whether you keep fighting or not. You are a hero of heroes, a champion of champions, and the iron chin of iron chins. 100% proud of everything you've done.

By the way you sound, Welliver should be a 1st Ballot Hall Of Famer.

Too heavy for ballet hall of fame.

[Brute]

I voluntarily joined the army of Wellivermaniacs. I'm not just a client though, I'm also the President. Commander In Chief Of Welliver Nation. I work like Lee Iaccoca did at Chrysler. A dollar a year until the company turns profits in the millions per year. And since I got a couple tickets to Detroit 187 Welliver Kills It....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_QJo-YLT2A I'm in it for at least 46 more years no matter how it goes. Welliver Nation will be back. With 2 eyes and looking for some Aussies to smack.

You are certainly a maniac.

[Brute]

Browne should work up a good sweat before he tackles a real fighter. One or two good Aussie opponents around who'd give him a rough go.

He has already beaten the best Australian heavyweights & beat one of your lot for the Commonwealth title.

[Brute]

I think Browne is a good top 15 guy now

WBA & WBC both rank him no 5.

[Lackeos]

I think Browne is a good top 15 guy now

WBA & WBC both rank him no 5.

... which has no bearing on whether he's 1 of the actual 15 best heavyweights. The WBA consider Chagaev a champion and Luis Ortiz to be #1. The WBC considers Mike Perez to be #4. Somewhat related, the WBO consider Andy Ruiz to be #3. The WBA also has Travis Kaufman, Shannon Briggs, Fres Oquendo, Mark de Mori, and Antonio Tarver in the top 10; which makes them worse at ranking boxers than the average joe on the streets who doesn't watch boxing.

[Brute]

Sorry, I keep forgetting that clerks & bottle washers know more than the organisations that run the sport.

[tiny_acres]

I think Browne is a good top 15 guy now

WBA & WBC both rank him no 5.

... which has no bearing on whether he's 1 of the actual 15 best heavyweights. The WBA consider Chagaev a champion and Luis Ortiz to be #1. The WBC considers Mike Perez to be #4. Somewhat related, the WBO consider Andy Ruiz to be #3. The WBA also has Travis Kaufman, Shannon Briggs, Fres Oquendo, Mark de Mori, and Antonio Tarver in the top 10; which makes them worse at ranking boxers than the average joe on the streets who doesn't watch boxing.

I agree.The ratings are a joke.

[tiny_acres]

Sorry, I keep forgetting that clerks & bottle washers know more than the organisations that run the sport.

The average fan is better at rating fighters than the alphabet groups.We as fans do not keep fighters out
of the wba ratings because the fighter fights for a wbc regional title.
We as fans do not bow down to certain promoters that either bribe or bully their fighters into the ratings.
We as fans rate more from performance than politics.
The alphabet groups ratings suck.

[Kronkpride]

The ABC's get a ton of disrespect and I have been in on it many times. But.....they do a lot of good too.

The WBA recognizes Wlad as Super Champion. Then Chagaev....I see no harm in that. And all of the organizations reward their regional champions with extra points compared to others without winning any of their belts. Those belts are very good for the sport. It helps market those regional fights when they are for belts. There has always been regional and under belts in boxing. State Championships and other things help fire up local crowds. And the fighters get some glory on levels other than the very top world belts.

The money part corrupts things as you need some money to pay the fees. So people think gaining titles and points with them is buying rankings. And some of that probably goes on too. But those guys have to win those regional title fights too and many of those belts have minimum standards and need to give approval for many of those belts. You can't just buy everything, you need to win fights. Those wins are more bought than the rankings are. And most of boxing is ran on buying opponents one guy can beat. Only a small amount is ran on trying to make even fights.

But would I prefer to do away with them and have something else....I would. I would like to see one world champion, then continental champions, national champions, state champions, city champions. Let the world champ take on those who make it up to champion of their continent and continent vs continent matches. I think city, state, national, world, would grow the sport both ways, grass roots and at the top. It is rare today for people to even fight for the state titles. But it would be cool if those state championships were more meaningful and people also contested city titles. You want to see the fight in your town whether it is the NYC Championship or Nome Alaska City Championship. Every city and town should have a champion. That is how you grow the sport...start over with the belts. Make city titles the thing going on. Welliver is Spokane City Champion! February Somebody Is Going Down!