Im pretty sure that Haye punches as hard as many decent Heavyweights. The definition of power: = speed and timing. Size doesnt necessarily come into it.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hmm...Hide was knocked out by Heavyweights though, not cruisers...
Haye hits hard alright, but name one heavyweight he's knocked out....answer...none.liamlion wrote:Im pretty sure that Haye punches as hard as many decent Heavyweights. The definition of power: = speed and timing. Size doesnt necessarily come into it.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hmm...Hide was knocked out by Heavyweights though, not cruisers...
Could you see Hide walk through the type of shot that Haye nailed Gurov with?
Power = Speed x Mass - so size is also important, timing does not equal power - timing is the transfer of powerliamlion wrote:Im pretty sure that Haye punches as hard as many decent Heavyweights. The definition of power: = speed and timing. Size doesnt necessarily come into it.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Hmm...Hide was knocked out by Heavyweights though, not cruisers...
Could you see Hide walk through the type of shot that Haye nailed Gurov with?
Mass in a punch is how much of your body you can turn into your punch and speed is how you get as many muscle motor units firing as quickly as possible. Ie Vitalis huge but can't get much mass/muscle strength behind his shots because he arm punches.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Momentum is mass x velocity. Punch power is a little more complicated than that. Being quick gives a significant advantage as shots which you don't see coming are far more shocking to the nervous system, which is why I think it's interesting that the most destructive heavyweights are below about 240 pounds. Liston, Tyson, Foreman, Frazier...all under 230 in fact in their primes.
Ive opened a can of worms here... Im no scientist (so im probably talking bollocks) but im not so sure that Mass comes into it. I found this example:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Power = Speed x Mass - so size is also important, timing does not equal power - timing is the transfer of power.
Your right that Vitali Klitschko doesnt put much of his weight behind his punches, and they do indeed appear like arm punches. However the reality is something far different. This is why Mass isnt integral to Power, but speed and timing are. In the build up to the Audley Harrison fight, Danny Williams said Klitschko was the hardest puching fighter he had ever faced. Klitschko also shook up Lennox Lewis real bad. Klitschko had an ugly but very efficient punch technique.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Ie Vitalis huge but can't get much mass/muscle strength behind his shots because he arm punches.
The weight is the weight of the barbell in that case isn't it bud. Think about it this way if a a grain of salt hits you in the face at 100miles an hour it won't hurt but if a car hits you at 50miles an hour that'll kill you. Now imagine if a featherweight fights a heavyweight.liamlion wrote:Ive opened a can of worms here... Im no scientist (so im probably talking bollocks) but im not so sure that Mass comes into it. I found this example:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Power = Speed x Mass - so size is also important, timing does not equal power - timing is the transfer of power.
Will N. Andable and Ben Pumpiniron, are in the weightlifting room. Will lifts the 100-pound barbell over his head 10 times in one minute; Ben lifts the 100-pound barbell over his head 10 times in 10 seconds. Which student does the most work? Which student delivers the most power?
The answer...Yet, Ben is the most "power-full" since he does the same work in less time. Power and time are inversely proportional.
There is no mention of mass in that at all, the key to 'power punching' is speed and the timing to land that speed at the optimum moment to create power. Hence why straweights with great technique, such as the great Ricardo Lopez, had little body mass but still knocked people out.
Your right that Vitali Klitschko doesnt put much of his weight behind his punches, and they do indeed appear like arm punches. However the reality is something far different. This is why Mass isnt integral to Power, but speed and timing are. In the build up to the Audley Harrison fight, Danny Williams said Klitschko was the hardest puching fighter he had ever faced. Klitschko also shook up Lennox Lewis real bad. Klitschko had an ugly but very efficient punch technique.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Ie Vitalis huge but can't get much mass/muscle strength behind his shots because he arm punches.
I thought Williams said Tyson hit harder but Klitschko's power was more consistent? Would seem to go with his arm-punching technique, that kind of shot doesn't take it out of it as quickly as Tyson's full-body swings, and if you're that size then those arm shots are still going to bloody hurt, let alone a few hundred of them.liamlion wrote:Ive opened a can of worms here... Im no scientist (so im probably talking bollocks) but im not so sure that Mass comes into it. I found this example:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: Power = Speed x Mass - so size is also important, timing does not equal power - timing is the transfer of power.
Will N. Andable and Ben Pumpiniron, are in the weightlifting room. Will lifts the 100-pound barbell over his head 10 times in one minute; Ben lifts the 100-pound barbell over his head 10 times in 10 seconds. Which student does the most work? Which student delivers the most power?
The answer...Yet, Ben is the most "power-full" since he does the same work in less time. Power and time are inversely proportional.
There is no mention of mass in that at all, the key to 'power punching' is speed and the timing to land that speed at the optimum moment to create power. Hence why straweights with great technique, such as the great Ricardo Lopez, had little body mass but still knocked people out.
Your right that Vitali Klitschko doesnt put much of his weight behind his punches, and they do indeed appear like arm punches. However the reality is something far different. This is why Mass isnt integral to Power, but speed and timing are. In the build up to the Audley Harrison fight, Danny Williams said Klitschko was the hardest puching fighter he had ever faced. Klitschko also shook up Lennox Lewis real bad. Klitschko had an ugly but very efficient punch technique.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Ie Vitalis huge but can't get much mass/muscle strength behind his shots because he arm punches.