Liverpool card this weekend is stacked

[jujigatame]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

[palooka]

It's not worth the PPV on top of the SKY sports subscription and the licence fee - you have a different system in the US; this card should have been chopped in 2 and shown on regular SKY sports.

[The Law]

I'm looking forward to the Degale v Periban, Cleverly v Bellew and Quigg v Otake fights. It's a stacked card but not PPV worthy due to reasons previously mentioned by Palooka.

[lefty]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

Otake is garbage. Quigg will destroy him within 6 rounds IMO.

[The Law]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

Otake is garbage. Quigg will destroy him within 6 rounds IMO.

From what I've seen of him you might be right. Otake isn't very strong, whereas Quigg is a big super bantam.

[jujigatame]

It's not worth the PPV on top of the SKY sports subscription and the licence fee - you have a different system in the US; this card should have been chopped in 2 and shown on regular SKY sports.

I think I was unclear. I really don't think either card is really PPV worthy. I'm just more interested in this card than the Pac one. If I had the choice to watch one or the other for the same price, I'd pick this one.

I believe this card is actually free for US viewers on AWE.

[palooka]

Don't rub it in

(Mind you, we get the PAC bout on box notion).

[Datsue]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

Stacked with shite mismatches. Don't worry about the quality, feel the width. It's like an Al Haymon wet dream in UK form. Please don't defend this bill, Clev-Bellew II apart. It is not fvcking PPV worthy.

£1 in an accumulator on the left side of the bill:



£1 in an accumulator on the other side of the bill:



It's a fvck-awful card. Just 'cos you lot get worse doesn't mean it's any good. None of the underdogs have a hope in Hell.

I really don't understand the attitude of "Oh yeah that's a shite fight, that's a shite fight, that's a shite fight, hey, suddenly this bill looks great, lots of shite fights!". I'm sorry if I'm missing something or you've been inured to being hideously exploited by promoters, but FFS dude. Perspective, please.

[jujigatame]

Majority of those fights are much more interesting (and even more competitive) than anything on the Pac card. Cleverly/Bellew is an even money fight and like I said I'm still very much looking forward to Quigg/Otake despite claims that it's a mismatch.

Vargas/DeMarco is the only remotely competitive fight on the Pac card and I think the odds flatter DeMarco.

[crusader]

It's a solid card PPV aside, but it's too weighted in favor of MR fighters for me to consider it anything more. Having loads of good names on a card doesn't mean that much to me if nearly all the opposition is over-matched.

I'm also not sure what you're seeing in Otake that makes you particularly interested in his fight with Quigg. The inflated BoxRec ranking maybe? I wouldn't expect someone to start a thread complaining about M.A. Rubio getting a title shot yet then laud Otake as good opponent in this case; are you that impressed by all those close fights he's had with mediocre domestic level opponents?

[jujigatame]

It's a solid card PPV aside, but it's too weighted in favor of MR fighters for me to consider it anything more. Having loads of good names on a card doesn't mean that much too me if nearly all the opposition is over-matched.

I'm also not sure what you're seeing in Otake that makes you particularly interested in his fight with Quigg. The inflated BoxRec ranking maybe? I wouldn't expect someone to start a thread complaining about M.A. Rubio getting a title shot yet then laud Otake as good opponent; are you that impressed by all those close fights he's had with mediocre domestic level opponents?

I think part of it is just an interest in seeing successful Asian fighters, of which we tend to see very few on American TV. I also always thought competition for Japanese national titles was pretty stiff, and Otake has defended his Japanese title successfully several times.

Rubio isn't an awful fighter or anything, but Golovkin is a P4P type guy, whereas Quigg is still very unproven as far as I'm concerned.

[crusader]

He's defended his national title several times but most of those fights have been close, and after researching the opponents it doesn't seem to me like they're the type of people good world title challengers should consistently be struggling with. I've found only limited footage of him, but I was unimpressed with him based on what I saw and I'm not surprised that he's struggled with the types of opponents he has.

[jujigatame]

I do not doubt what you're saying, but Quigg hasn't exactly beaten a litany of standouts himself. He's definitely not a proven elite fighter on the level of a Golovkin.

[crusader]

No, but he's done enough for me to think that he won't have problems beating someone who consistently struggles with the likes of Nobuhisa Coronita Doi.

Aside from the main event, is there any bout you've listed in which the fighter on the left side isn't a sizeable favorite?

[jujigatame]

I'm not sure what the exact odds are, but depending on your definition of "sizable" I'd guess not. This still compares very favorably to the Pacquiao PPV, and recent Heymon cards like Garcia/Salka and Broner/Taylor.

As for Quigg, I'm sure he's a big favorite for a reason, but he did get held to a draw against Salinas who proceeded to get KO'd by a journeyman in his next fight. I think Otake will at least give him his toughest fight in a while.

[crusader]

It's definitely better than many other cards, but I wouldn't call it stacked if by that you mean filled with bouts that on paper should be entertaining and competitive, with each boxer seeming to have a good chance of winning. I think one side of the bill is stacked with a lot of talent, but I also believe the other side falls significantly behind in virtually every bout and that limits the general quality of the bill in my view.

Aside from the main event, I don't think any of the fighters on the right side have a good chance of winning. The realistic possibility of someone like Periban having an occasional moment while clearly losing doesn't excite me too much.

[Asian Boxing]

I could only find 1 full fight of Otake's but here but is for those interested.

http://www.asianboxing.info/videos/cate ... i-maruyama

[The Insider]

As said apart from the 3rd and 4th best cruiserweights in the UK fighting for an eliminator. The rest of the bill is stacked full of Miss matches. I like, Datsue put all the home fighters (aside from the "top of the bill") into an acca and the odds worked out just under 1/2. Says it all really.

[danamba7]

Good Fights
Bellew V Clev
Degale V Periban

Average Fights
Smith V Sjekloca
Quigg V Otake

Poor Fights
McDonnell V Ramos
Groves V Douglin
Joshua V Sprott
Saunders V TBA

Remove a couple of the poor fights and you've got a perfect Saturday fight night which everyone would be looking forward at no extra charge to the Sky Sports subs.

[expe]

Jamie McDonnell is now fighting Javier Chacon, a natural flyweight, who fought Anselmo Moreno for the real WBA Bantamweight title earlier this year, how are Sky going to mention that without people realising that McDonnell isn't a world champion?

[handsofstone]

Jamie McDonnell is now fighting Javier Chacon, a natural flyweight, who fought Anselmo Moreno for the real WBA Bantamweight title earlier this year, how are Sky going to mention that without people realising that McDonnell isn't a world champion?

[reggaereggae]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

I can only assume you work for Hearn... This would be a 'stacked' card and one of the best this season in terms of depth; IF it wasn't PPV. But as it stands, for the TV subscriber it's a bloody ripoff. At least Algieri - PAC is a true world class fight and a unification (i think?)

Depending on ticket prices; might still be great value as a live event. I have no idea what they are though

[chucktaylor]

Bellew vs. Cleverly
DeGale vs. Periban
Quigg vs. Otake
Smith vs. Sjekloca
Groves vs. Douglin
Joshua vs. Sprott

In my estimation this is more PPV worthy than the Pac/Algieri card. Particularly looking forward to Quigg/Otake which is a pretty big fight at 122.

I can only assume you work for Hearn... This would be a 'stacked' card and one of the best this season in terms of depth; IF it wasn't PPV. But as it stands, for the TV subscriber it's a bloody ripoff. At least Algieri - PAC is a true world class fight and a unification (i think?)

Depending on ticket prices; might still be great value as a live event. I have no idea what they are though

It's not a unification b/c Algieri holds the WBO 140 title the fight is for Pac's WBO 147 title. Still a good fight either way.

[palooka]

Jamie McDonnell is now fighting Javier Chacon, a natural flyweight, who fought Anselmo Moreno for the real WBA Bantamweight title earlier this year, how are Sky going to mention that without people realising that McDonnell isn't a world champion?

It's a shame that BoxRec News has gone, expe; I honestly think you'd have done really well with it; you're well informed and put things across in an accessible fashion.

[jujigatame]

I would not classify Pac/Algieri as a particularly good fight. Algieri is an even bigger long shot than Periban or Sjekloca.