Any Real Need For This From Freddie Roach??

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Personally I don't see any need for trash talking from Roach other than to try and sell this fight because the public doesn't seem particularly interested in this fight but I think that many people who don't watch this fight will be disappointed that they will miss a great fight.

Sure Algieri doesn't have a big name or big punch but dude can box and take a great shot (he took Provodnikov's best) and he is younger, has a longer jab/reach and is taller plus he showed us he can actually box. I'm not sure if he's good enough to beat a tremendous fighter like Manny Pacquiao but he does have the elements to make it more entertaining than most people think it will be.

Why is it that Freddie is trash talking Algieri (who seems to be a nice, decent person)?

Algieri's response was the following:

"I am not going to change just to promote a fight. My stance is to not go back-and-forth and I am not fighting Freddie. That's not the man I have to box with so I am not going to go back-and-forth firing darts at each other. You don't see Pacquiao doing that. That's Freddie's prerogative and that's what he likes to do. That's not me, even if it helps the promotion of the fight, that's not my style. It is what it is. If he wants to say that, that's fine by me. What matters is fight night and myself and Pacquiao," stated undefeated jr. welterweight champion Chris Algieri, who spoke during a recent conference call to promote his upcoming November 22 clash with welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Algieri has exuded confidence throughout the promotion of the event, making it clear that he's unfazed by anything that Pacquiao's Hall of Fame trainer, Freddie Roach, may say about his skills.

"For one, he is wasting his time because I don't even read those reports. So that's the first thing. Secondly, I hear about them from other people around me and it doesn't make a difference to me. It seems kind of odd for him to be coming out so much and saying so many different things and every day it's a new thing. But like I said, I don't read them and I don't care about them and it doesn't make a difference come fight night," Algieri explained. "I would imagine it is some kind of strategy, a kind of mental game or whatnot. Freddie's been around a long time and maybe this has worked for him in the past but it's not going to work on me."

Your thoughts are appreciated and welcomed!

[KBB]

It's all about trying to sell a low-profile low-demand fight in order to put "cheeks on seats" and perhaps a weak attempt at mind games... nothing more, nothing less.

You may be 100% correct, but is that a reason to do so given the fact that no matter what he does it isn't going to sell any more tickets than has already been done and talking crap to a guy that he considers a nobody that can't crack an egg only sets Manny and himself up for ridicule should Algieri win it.

One shouldn't need "mind games" when the fighter you consider as a non-threat is supposed to lose anyway.

[Bobbyptsd]

It's all about trying to sell a low-profile low-demand fight in order to put "cheeks on seats" and perhaps a weak attempt at mind games... nothing more, nothing less.

That's about it. Seems like before every Pacquiao fight there's a "does Freddie really need to do this?" thread. It's not like it's a Toney fight where the guy is flipping tables over and pushing people around, this is Pacquiao. He's about as quiet and polite as you can get. Freddie is just drumming up interest.

[bigznyc]

that doesnt help promote the fight..he is extremely concerned and wants to get in algieri's head..provo destroyed the kid from Denver, That guy is same level as Brandon Rios. Algieri clearly had his way after the 1st round with Provo. To say they are on different levels is comical. Algieri would win almost every round against Marquez or Rios..sounds like Rios who has trained with him, agrees. Intelligent, good jab, output, height and reach..he has Manny beat in all those categories..

[Bobbyptsd]

that doesnt help promote the fight..he is extremely concerned and wants to get in algieri's head..provo destroyed the kid from Denver, That guy is same level as Brandon Rios. Algieri clearly had his way after the 1st round with Provo. To say they are on different levels is comical. Algieri would win almost every round against Marquez or Rios..sounds like Rios who has trained with him, agrees. Intelligent, good jab, output, height and reach..he has Manny beat in all those categories..

I'd say it most certainly does. We are talking about it, as others have pointed out.

And I thought Provodnikov beat Algieri. Pacquiao will too. He's significantly better than Rios, but not good enough. That's a hell of a gap anyway.

[KBB]

that doesnt help promote the fight..he is extremely concerned and wants to get in algieri's head..provo destroyed the kid from Denver, That guy is same level as Brandon Rios. Algieri clearly had his way after the 1st round with Provo. To say they are on different levels is comical. Algieri would win almost every round against Marquez or Rios..sounds like Rios who has trained with him, agrees. Intelligent, good jab, output, height and reach..he has Manny beat in all those categories..

I'd say it most certainly does. We are talking about it, as others have pointed out.

And I thought Provodnikov beat Algieri. Pacquiao will too. He's significantly better than Rios, but not good enough. That's a hell of a gap anyway.

You did?? I know it's your own assessment but I couldn't see anywhere that Ruslan (who I like a lot) won this bout, I felt that Chris got up from the best shots Provo landed in round1 and went on to outbox him. Sure Provo landed the harder shots but the volume of clean shots that CA landed far outweighed the occasional one or two hard shots that Ruslan landed in each round, not to mention Algieri's defense was better at making him miss and then making him pay.

The ring generalship appeared to be owned by RP but Algeiri was able to utilize the entire ring and outmaneuver him and wheel him into the same punches that Provo was trying to set him up for.

[demon1]

It's all about trying to sell a low-profile low-demand fight in order to put "cheeks on seats" and perhaps a weak attempt at mind games... nothing more, nothing less.

That's about it. Seems like before every Pacquiao fight there's a "does Freddie really need to do this?" thread. It's not like it's a Toney fight where the guy is flipping tables over and pushing people around, this is Pacquiao. He's about as quiet and polite as you can get. Freddie is just drumming up interest.

I disagree. Roach is always talks trash or has something negative to say. before fights, after fights and every time in between. Dude is a POS.

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I disagree. Roach is always talks trash or has something negative to say. before fights, after fights and every time in between. Dude is a POS.

That he is but somehow he gets people to feel sympathy for him because of his disabilities so he is allowed a pass for all of the stupid stuff he says.

Personally I feel he has no reason whatsoever to attack a humble guy like Algieri, I've heard Chris say nothing but great things about both Manny and Freddie so there's no need for this.

[birdman77]

Was Providnikov under his tutelage when be lost to algieri? Maybe he's bitter bc they took him lightly...and lost via decent upset. Roach wants to win every high profile fight but you can only dedicate so much to each guy. Remember Sergio shredding JCC Jr for 11.5 rds and Roach blasted him in lead up to Cotto match. Cotto won in great fashion but Freddie was even bitter after fight

[ponch]

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Personally I don't see any need for trash talking from Roach other than to try and sell this fight because the public doesn't seem particularly interested in this fight but I think that many people who don't watch this fight will be disappointed that they will miss a great fight.

Sure Algieri doesn't have a big name or big punch but dude can box and take a great shot (he took Provodnikov's best) and he is younger, has a longer jab/reach and is taller plus he showed us he can actually box. I'm not sure if he's good enough to beat a tremendous fighter like Manny Pacquiao but he does have the elements to make it more entertaining than most people think it will be.

Why is it that Freddie is trash talking Algieri (who seems to be a nice, decent person)?

Algieri's response was the following:

"I am not going to change just to promote a fight. My stance is to not go back-and-forth and I am not fighting Freddie. That's not the man I have to box with so I am not going to go back-and-forth firing darts at each other. You don't see Pacquiao doing that. That's Freddie's prerogative and that's what he likes to do. That's not me, even if it helps the promotion of the fight, that's not my style. It is what it is. If he wants to say that, that's fine by me. What matters is fight night and myself and Pacquiao," stated undefeated jr. welterweight champion Chris Algieri, who spoke during a recent conference call to promote his upcoming November 22 clash with welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao. Algieri has exuded confidence throughout the promotion of the event, making it clear that he's unfazed by anything that Pacquiao's Hall of Fame trainer, Freddie Roach, may say about his skills.

"For one, he is wasting his time because I don't even read those reports. So that's the first thing. Secondly, I hear about them from other people around me and it doesn't make a difference to me. It seems kind of odd for him to be coming out so much and saying so many different things and every day it's a new thing. But like I said, I don't read them and I don't care about them and it doesn't make a difference come fight night," Algieri explained. "I would imagine it is some kind of strategy, a kind of mental game or whatnot. Freddie's been around a long time and maybe this has worked for him in the past but it's not going to work on me."

Your thoughts are appreciated and welcomed!

You seriously think that's trash talk? I feel like I must have read the wrong article. Freddie can be a dick but he was playing it straight here - he gives Algeiri prop's for heart/guts, but says he doesn't have power (which seems to be true so far). He gave his view of the fight (without getting personal) and how he views his fighters advantages/Algeri's disadvantages in his opinion. What's he supposed to say?

[Bobbyptsd]

that doesnt help promote the fight..he is extremely concerned and wants to get in algieri's head..provo destroyed the kid from Denver, That guy is same level as Brandon Rios. Algieri clearly had his way after the 1st round with Provo. To say they are on different levels is comical. Algieri would win almost every round against Marquez or Rios..sounds like Rios who has trained with him, agrees. Intelligent, good jab, output, height and reach..he has Manny beat in all those categories..

I'd say it most certainly does. We are talking about it, as others have pointed out.

And I thought Provodnikov beat Algieri. Pacquiao will too. He's significantly better than Rios, but not good enough. That's a hell of a gap anyway.

You did?? I know it's your own assessment but I couldn't see anywhere that Ruslan (who I like a lot) won this bout, I felt that Chris got up from the best shots Provo landed in round1 and went on to outbox him. Sure Provo landed the harder shots but the volume of clean shots that CA landed far outweighed the occasional one or two hard shots that Ruslan landed in each round, not to mention Algieri's defense was better at making him miss and then making him pay.

The ring generalship appeared to be owned by RP but Algeiri was able to utilize the entire ring and outmaneuver him and wheel him into the same punches that Provo was trying to set him up for.

It was competitive, but I had Ruslan ahead at the end. I don't remember what exact score I had, but I had him winning.

[diddy]

I for one think Algieri is a pretty damn good fighter who can and will beat a lot of people. But this is Pacquaio we're talking about. He's elite. His speed and footwork will make Algieri uncomfortable and unsettled.

Pac wins a decision. I don't see a KO. If you can eat thunder from Provo you can stay in there with Manny.

[Rodian]

I for one think Algieri is a pretty damn good fighter who can and will beat a lot of people. But this is Pacquaio we're talking about. He's elite. His speed and footwork will make Algieri uncomfortable and unsettled.

Pac wins a decision. I don't see a KO. If you can eat thunder from Provo you can stay in there with Manny.

yea but Provo was barely landing anything after Round 1.

[diddy]

I for one think Algieri is a pretty damn good fighter who can and will beat a lot of people. But this is Pacquaio we're talking about. He's elite. His speed and footwork will make Algieri uncomfortable and unsettled.

Pac wins a decision. I don't see a KO. If you can eat thunder from Provo you can stay in there with Manny.

yea but Provo was barely landing anything after Round 1.

That's not true. Provo was landing less, yes, but when he was landing it was really hard stuff. That's why the decision was so close. Provo was winning some rounds because he was landing really hard shots while getting his face jabbed off.

[SenorPipino]

Isn't talking trash a necessity in boxing promotion?

You gotta get the fan's attention. I'm sure Roach's criticisms and smack don't offend or bother Algieri in the least.
This fight needs all the promotion it can muster.

Although, maybe that a reason why Roach should have gone overboard and lauded Algieri, who's perceived as a no-hoper in this bout (Sportsbooks have Pacman a lopsided 10-1 favorite).

Telling fans that the heavy underdog isn't much of a threat or fighter outside of a jab, certainly doesn't help sell it. Why pay $60+ to see a blowout, especially at a time of the year where many are saving up for Christmas.