Arum turns down Mayweather fight offer?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'm well aware of how big China's economy is, but it's not about the size of the economy stoopid, not unless the chinese government is paying for the bout, it's the size of the TV revenue, the gate receipts, and the money on the table from the venue. China has a huge population, however, there's still amost 50% of them living in rural areas, in addition, boxing is not a major sport in China, they don't even have professional boxing in China, so that is hardly surprising.

Are you an expert on China? It's not a 3rd world country you ignaramous. If the average American makes say $40k per annum, how many people in china make more than that, (remember the population is 1.3 billion). And combat sports can only grow in Asia, boxing, ufc, any kind of martial arts, it's a cultural thing, this is Asia, nor Norway.

You're deluded, and won't accept the fact, that quite simply, Floyd no longer needs Pacman

stopped reading here, i'm deluded? OK then, if he doesn't need him he can rematch Guerrero and make over $100m against the Ghost instead.

Are you?

Do you really think the Chinese PPV market is mature? How could it be, given that there's no history of boxing PPV's in the country, or at least only an incredibly recent one.

Do you HONESTLY think Floyd is scared of Manny? What on earth has he to be scared of precisely?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

Perhaps you should read this.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you and this thread, you'll never see sense, in your mind, Floyd needs Manny and should accept whatever Arum offers, but reality doesn't chime with your view.

[tiny_acres]

I actually feel dumber than I ever have after reading Ricky's posts.
I believe he works for Bob Arum or is just freaking insane.

[KBB]

I actually feel dumber than I ever have after reading Ricky's posts.
I believe he works for Bob Arum or is just freaking insane.

There's no point in trying to debate with a Troll like him, he ruins any thread he gets into from what I've been reading on this forum and he is very unrealistic.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I actually feel dumber than I ever have after reading Ricky's posts.
I believe he works for Bob Arum or is just freaking insane.

There's no point in trying to debate with a Troll like him, he ruins any thread he gets into from what I've been reading on this forum and he is very unrealistic.

Yes, it's like pissing in the wind, but far less gratifying. I would piss myself laughing if Manny lost against Algieri, not because I dislike Manny, but just to imagine Ricky's terrible melancholy and rage.

[tiny_acres]

I actually feel dumber than I ever have after reading Ricky's posts.
I believe he works for Bob Arum or is just freaking insane.

There's no point in trying to debate with a Troll like him, he ruins any thread he gets into from what I've been reading on this forum and he is very unrealistic.

I know but I read every post here on Boxrec.It is my sanctuary to get away from the troubles in life.
It is just idiots with no common sense that make me go crazy on here.

[Ricky_]

Are you?

Do you really think the Chinese PPV market is mature? How could it be, given that there's no history of boxing PPV's in the country, or at least only an incredibly recent one.

Do you HONESTLY think Floyd is scared of Manny? What on earth has he to be scared of precisely?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

Perhaps you should read this.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you and this thread, you'll never see sense, in your mind, Floyd needs Manny and should accept whatever Arum offers, but reality doesn't chime with your view.

Have a look at those cheques, Floyd gets paid by Goldenboy, cause they promote his fights. And no, the PPV market is not mature, that's why it's a venture, the American PPV market is exhausted. Floyd vs Pacquiao could maybe hit 3m... maybe. It's a once in a lifetime fight, it needs to go beyond that.

Reality states Floyd can make Showtime some moe losses by posting 800k and picking up his 30m gaurantee fighting the likes of Maidana. But Floyd vs Pacquiao does anywhere north of $300m and he can have half of it... it's not rocket science, basic business. Only a complete idiot would think it's worth commanding the lion share for not reason other than to prove a point about your status, when accepting half makes you at least double what you ever made before. I guess that's where you come in.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you?

Do you really think the Chinese PPV market is mature? How could it be, given that there's no history of boxing PPV's in the country, or at least only an incredibly recent one.

Do you HONESTLY think Floyd is scared of Manny? What on earth has he to be scared of precisely?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

Perhaps you should read this.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you and this thread, you'll never see sense, in your mind, Floyd needs Manny and should accept whatever Arum offers, but reality doesn't chime with your view.

Have a look at those cheques, Floyd gets paid by Goldenboy, cause they promote his fights. And no, the PPV market is not mature, that's why it's a venture, the American PPV market is exhausted. Floyd vs Pacquiao could maybe hit 3m... maybe. It's a once in a lifetime fight, it needs to go beyond that.

Reality states Floyd can make Showtime some moe losses by posting 800k and picking up his 30m gaurantee fighting the likes of Maidana. But Floyd vs Pacquiao does anywhere north of $300m and he can have half of it... it's not rocket science, basic business. Only a complete idiot would think it's worth commanding the lion share for not reason other than to prove a point about your status, when accepting half makes you at least double what you ever made before. I guess that's where you come in.

Mayweather controls every single aspect of the promotion when he fights, increasing his revenues dramatically - you think he's going to give that up for less than 50%?

Why doesn't Arum take the short end - ? If what you say is true, why is the onus on Mayweather to accept the short end? If it's more money than he's ever made for Mayweather, the same is also true for Pacman - please explain this.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you?

Do you really think the Chinese PPV market is mature? How could it be, given that there's no history of boxing PPV's in the country, or at least only an incredibly recent one.

Do you HONESTLY think Floyd is scared of Manny? What on earth has he to be scared of precisely?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

Perhaps you should read this.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time on you and this thread, you'll never see sense, in your mind, Floyd needs Manny and should accept whatever Arum offers, but reality doesn't chime with your view.

Have a look at those cheques, Floyd gets paid by Goldenboy, cause they promote his fights. And no, the PPV market is not mature, that's why it's a venture, the American PPV market is exhausted. Floyd vs Pacquiao could maybe hit 3m... maybe. It's a once in a lifetime fight, it needs to go beyond that.

Reality states Floyd can make Showtime some moe losses by posting 800k and picking up his 30m gaurantee fighting the likes of Maidana. But Floyd vs Pacquiao does anywhere north of $300m and he can have half of it... it's not rocket science, basic business. Only a complete idiot would think it's worth commanding the lion share for not reason other than to prove a point about your status, when accepting half makes you at least double what you ever made before. I guess that's where you come in.

If the American PPV market is exhausted, how come Floyd is making so much money? - it doesn't figure.

[Ricky_]

Mayweather controls every single aspect of the promotion when he fights, increasing his revenues dramatically - you think he's going to give that up for less than 50%?

Why doesn't Arum take the short end - ? If what you say is true, why is the onus on Mayweather to accept the short end? If it's more money than he's ever made for Mayweather, the same is also true for Pacman - please explain this.

Because if Top Rank promote the fight, Mayweather doesn't need Goldenboy, he doesn't need to front the mammoth amounts of cash that will be needed to run the promotion. He won't need Goldenboy to do the promotional leg work that goes into a promotion this size... well it would be a promotion bigger than anything ever seen before.

All he has to to do is train, and then fight, attend some press conferences.

As a result he would get 50% of the revenues. Top Rank would get the other 50%, and how much of that would go to Pacquiao would be dependent on his contract. But Floyd makes more money than any other single individual by taking 50%. Infact even if he took 40% he'd probably still be the highest paid individual and it would account for the largest purse in history - probably never to be broken.

[Badhusker]

Ricky,

How about Mayweather offer Pac the same % as Team Pac offered Cotto when they fought?

[KBB]

Mayweather controls every single aspect of the promotion when he fights, increasing his revenues dramatically - you think he's going to give that up for less than 50%?

Why doesn't Arum take the short end - ? If what you say is true, why is the onus on Mayweather to accept the short end? If it's more money than he's ever made for Mayweather, the same is also true for Pacman - please explain this.

Because if Top Rank promote the fight, Mayweather doesn't need Goldenboy, he doesn't need to front the mammoth amounts of cash that will be needed to run the promotion. He won't need Goldenboy to do the promotional leg work that goes into a promotion this size... well it would be a promotion bigger than anything ever seen before.

All he has to to do is train, and then fight, attend some press conferences.

As a result he would get 50% of the revenues. Top Rank would get the other 50%, and how much of that would go to Pacquiao would be dependent on his contract. But Floyd makes more money than any other single individual by taking 50%. Infact even if he took 40% he'd probably still be the highest paid individual and it would account for the largest purse in history - probably never to be broken.

Floyd has his license in Nevada and no longer needs GBP to do his fights, he was paying them in excess of 2.5 million to do his promotions and he no longer needs that now that he has his own license in Nevada.

Anything that anyone says about promoting this bout when Manny hasn't even agreed to the best offers he has thus been given is just a waste of time, he turned down the 50-50 and now he turned down 40 million and 35% PPV so it should be obvious who is DUCKING this bout but still runs their mouth about Floyd every chance they get in order to keep the foolish public believing they want this fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The silence is deafening......perhaps Ricky has finally seen sense - although I think it more likely he's had a stroke and died with the stress of it all.

[Ricky_]

Floyd has his license in Nevada and no longer needs GBP to do his fights,

Not sure if it's a gaggle of idiots i'm dealing with or if Brut is branching out with a few more accounts, but time for me to bow out in this thread. I'll leave you to discuss with yourself how Mayweather Promotions is now the biggst promoter in the world, over taking GoldenBoy, Top Rank, and all the other established ones, running massive PPV cards and dealing with over $70m+ in revenues.

Let me know how it goes, big step up from headlining J'Leon Love in a school hall, but i guess you don't need me to tell you that, you're all experts on the promotional events business which is pretty easy once you have a licence

[man]

manny has to accept every offer above what he
would make with another fight. end of story.
years have passed. things have changed.

but i still find it hard to believe that a promoter
of all people turns down a big payday. always
found that very unlikely.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Floyd has his license in Nevada and no longer needs GBP to do his fights,

Not sure if it's a gaggle of idiots i'm dealing with or if Brut is branching out with a few more accounts, but time for me to bow out in this thread. I'll leave you to discuss with yourself how Mayweather Promotions is now the biggst promoter in the world, over taking GoldenBoy, Top Rank, and all the other established ones, running massive PPV cards and dealing with over $70m+ in revenues.

Let me know how it goes, big step up from headlining J'Leon Love in a school hall, but i guess you don't need me to tell you that, you're all experts on the promotional events business which is pretty easy once you have a licence

So let's get this straight - Mayweather, who is the biggest grossing fighter in the sport right now, in terms of purses, who is unbeaten, and pretty much univerally regarded as #1 P4P in the sport, and who already has been heavily involved in the promotion of his fights over the last what, 2 years, probably longer, and who gets involved in every aspect of the event, from merchandise, to a take on the food and drink sold at the event - is going to struggle to promote the very same said highest grossing fighter in the world - namely, himself. This despite the fact that he already has a team of advisers and support staff who are already experienced in such matters.

If you can't work out who the idiot in the room is pal - it's you.

[Ricky_]

So let's get this straight - Mayweather, who is the biggest grossing fighter in the sport right now, in terms of purses, who is unbeaten, and pretty much univerally regarded as #1 P4P in the sport, and who already has been heavily involved in the promotion of his fights over the last what, 2 years, probably longer, and who gets involved in every aspect of the event, from merchandise, to a take on the food and drink sold at the event - is going to struggle to promote the very same said highest grossing fighter in the world - namely, himself. This despite the fact that he already has a team of advisers and support staff who are already experienced in such matters.

If you can't work out who the idiot in the room is pal - it's you.

Mayweather is promoted by GoldenBoy promotions - sorry, was sure i had already mentioned that

[jamesmcdonnell]

So let's get this straight - Mayweather, who is the biggest grossing fighter in the sport right now, in terms of purses, who is unbeaten, and pretty much univerally regarded as #1 P4P in the sport, and who already has been heavily involved in the promotion of his fights over the last what, 2 years, probably longer, and who gets involved in every aspect of the event, from merchandise, to a take on the food and drink sold at the event - is going to struggle to promote the very same said highest grossing fighter in the world - namely, himself. This despite the fact that he already has a team of advisers and support staff who are already experienced in such matters.

If you can't work out who the idiot in the room is pal - it's you.

You honestly think he doesn't take a serious hand in things - you're insane.



Mayweather is promoted by GoldenBoy promotions - sorry, was sure i had already mentioned that

You do realise he was promoted by Goldenboy in name only, the two organisations worked together, Mayweather didn't want the scrutiny he would come under when he applied for a Nevada state license - the fact that he was paying Golden Boy, makes this rather obvious, as it means he is in effect employing them for their services, they are only nominally the promoter.

[KBB]

Floyd has his license in Nevada and no longer needs GBP to do his fights,

Not sure if it's a gaggle of idiots i'm dealing with or if Brut is branching out with a few more accounts, but time for me to bow out in this thread. I'll leave you to discuss with yourself how Mayweather Promotions is now the biggst promoter in the world, over taking GoldenBoy, Top Rank, and all the other established ones, running massive PPV cards and dealing with over $70m+ in revenues.

Let me know how it goes, big step up from headlining J'Leon Love in a school hall, but i guess you don't need me to tell you that, you're all experts on the promotional events business which is pretty easy once you have a licence

First of all I never said Floyd was the biggest Promoter in the World, you put words into my post I did not even utter. Second, if you think this business of promoting is supposedly that complicated and Mayweather is already promoting on a smaller scale then I'm certain with the 2.5 million he'll be saving from not using GBP services he can easily hire a Consultant who can assist him in raising the stakes he is already promoting from a lower level enough to promote a bigger bout.

It's just a shame that you are the only idiot arguing and haven't seen the light of Manny DUCKING Floyd, three offers and Manny hasn't budged towards the contract or the ring and still you are either too stupid, too caught up in fandom (fanDUMB, in your case) or foolish pride to see that Pacquiao is only talking and making foolish commercials but not really signing for this bout despite the ridiculous amount of money being thrown his way.

[KBB]

Here you go Ricky since you seem to think Floyd can't promote a big fight and Oscar and Arum are the only ones capable:

http://www.BS.com/binkow-hired ... ant--79448

[Ricky_]

You do realise he was promoted by Goldenboy in name only, the two organisations worked together, Mayweather didn't want the scrutiny he would come under when he applied for a Nevada state license - the fact that he was paying Golden Boy, makes this rather obvious, as it means he is in effect employing them for their services, they are only nominally the promoter.

Why do you insist on talking about something you have zero clue about?

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's you who doesn't understand - Floyd has just been utilising Golden Boy's services, because he didn't have a promoters license for Nevada which is what you need to take the drop from the Casino. You think Mayweather lets ANYONE control how much money he makes - it's the whole reason he left Arum in the first place, he wanted absolute control over his career.

You really must be incredibly moronic, if you think that Oscar and Golden boy were in any way calling the shots with these events.

Perhaps reading this article will help wipe the shite from your eyes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

[KBB]

It's you who doesn't understand - Floyd has just been utilising Golden Boy's services, because he didn't have a promoters license for Nevada which is what you need to take the drop from the Casino. You think Mayweather lets ANYONE control how much money he makes - it's the whole reason he left Arum in the first place, he wanted absolute control over his career.

You really must be incredibly moronic, if you think that Oscar and Golden boy were in any way calling the shots with these events.

Perhaps reading this article will help wipe the shite from your eyes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

You hit the nail on the head!!

[Ricky_]

It's you who doesn't understand - Floyd has just been utilising Golden Boy's services, because he didn't have a promoters license for Nevada which is what you need to take the drop from the Casino. You think Mayweather lets ANYONE control how much money he makes - it's the whole reason he left Arum in the first place, he wanted absolute control over his career.

You really must be incredibly moronic, if you think that Oscar and Golden boy were in any way calling the shots with these events.

Perhaps reading this article will help wipe the shite from your eyes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

sigh.... what's the logo on the ropes in image #1?

what's the logo on the cheque that pays Floyd in image #2?

Press conferences, TV ad's, ticket revenue... it's all paid for, and recieved, by GoldenBoy because they run the promotion... they are the promoters idiot. Floyd can;t even read, he just acts like a hoodlum and shouts TBE and fools like you buy it, that doesn't mean he has a day job as promoter.

You understand nothing about he events business yet insist on typing up your opinion - what other subjects that you have no clue about would you like to put forward an opinion on? Gardening or sewing or something?

[jamesmcdonnell]

It's you who doesn't understand - Floyd has just been utilising Golden Boy's services, because he didn't have a promoters license for Nevada which is what you need to take the drop from the Casino. You think Mayweather lets ANYONE control how much money he makes - it's the whole reason he left Arum in the first place, he wanted absolute control over his career.

You really must be incredibly moronic, if you think that Oscar and Golden boy were in any way calling the shots with these events.

Perhaps reading this article will help wipe the shite from your eyes.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2192 ... est-fights

sigh.... what's the logo on the ropes in image #1?

what's the logo on the cheque that pays Floyd in image #2?

Press conferences, TV ad's, ticket revenue... it's all paid for, and recieved, by GoldenBoy because they run the promotion... they are the promoters idiot. Floyd can;t even read, he just acts like a hoodlum and shouts TBE and fools like you buy it, that doesn't mean he has a day job as promoter.

You understand nothing about he events business yet insist on typing up your opinion - what other subjects that you have no clue about would you like to put forward an opinion on? Gardening or sewing or something?

God almighty! Are you mentally deficient - I SAID GOLDEN BOY IS THE PROMOTER IN NAME ONLY.

Floyd has his own team of advisers, he can call the shots without being able to read - guess what, Genghis Khan couldn't read either, - he ran the largest land empire in human history.

Floyd had to fly under the Golden Boy Banner - BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE A PROMOTERS LICENSE IN NEVADA - SHALL...I....SPEAK....SLOWLY....SO....YOU.....CAN....UNDER.....STAND. I cut that last word in two, in case it was too much for you.

Did you actually bother to read the article, if you had it would be crystal clear that Golden Boy were providing services to him, not promoting the fight - Floyd and his team call the shots, they just use Golden Boy's services, and then pay them for their efforts. A real promoter puts up all the money for the event, and then takes a percentage of the profits THAT IS NOT what is happening here.

Floyd may not be well educated, but he's not dumb either - he's certainly not as dumb as you.

Do you not understand the concept of acting through a proxy? Jesus Christ, it's not complicated.

[Ricky_]

God almighty! Are you mentally deficient - I SAID GOLDEN BOY IS THE PROMOTER IN NAME ONLY.

what an idiot. They pick up the bills and collect tha dollaz for no reason. Go do one holmes, you ain't got a fvcking clue