Larry Holmes and David Haye are about the same height, everyone, the end.[/color][/b][/quote]
The prime version of Larry Holmes and David Haye were the same height and weight when they both entered the ring.
Here’s an extract from post I've already posted on this thread to prove this irrefutable fact:
Larry Holmes’ average weight for his world title winning fights was 216.35lbs.
Larry wasn’t far bigger than David Haye, because the Haymaker’s average weight for his heavyweight bouts was 214.6lbs, which is a mere 1.75lbs lighter Holmes’ average. Interestingly, the average weight of a heavyweight David Haye opponent was 249.6lbs, which is much much heavier than The Easton Assassin's average opponent weight.
The interesting thing about
David Haye… even though he’s the same height and about the same weight as Larry Holmes, he’s much more muscular and ripped, which means he
should be regarded as the bigger man than the American legend (come fight night).[/quote]
You still don't get it?!
I actually agree that Holmes isn't 'far bigger' than Haye, but he is clearly the naturally larger man. Less importantly, he's likely an inch taller (most who've met Haye agree he's actually 6'2) and has three inches longer reach - more importantly, he was a lean natural 215lb heavyweight while Haye is a blown-up cruiserweight and muscle-bound at 215lb.
Leonid wrote:jezzamundo wrote:
The fact that Haye is much more ripped and heavily-muscled while weighing the same as a prime Holmes who looked lean but not particularly muscular is proof that Holmes is the naturally bigger man, surely this isn't hard to understand? If Holmes bulked up to the extent of Haye, he would likely weigh 230lb plus. If Haye laid off the weights and protein he'd be sub 200lb.
The fact that Bradley is much more ripped and heavily-muscled while weighing the same as Pacquiao who looked lean but not particularly muscular is proof that Pacquiao is the naturally bigger man, surely this isn't hard to understand? If Pac bulked up to the extent of Bradley, he would likely weigh 160lb plus (I added 10% as u did for Holmes). :)
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Interesting post, but the situation is somewhat different for Pac and Bradley. Both are ripped weighing in at welterweight, Bradley even more so because he has to drain more to make the 147lb limit. In this pic, Bradley clearly has the bigger arms, but Pacquiao has bigger legs which are not visible. I'd imagine that Bradley weighed more on fight night, he's definitely the naturally bigger, heavier guy, but perhaps not by as much as some might imagine. Manny was only able to fight in such low weight classes because he was malnourished as a youth, which explains how he continued to pile on weight and climb divisions without looking overly muscle-bound - I'd say at this point he's a natural light welterweight.[/quote]
Manny, like a lot of fighters in ASIA, was also horiffically weight drained, as evidenced by how emaciated he looked in his early career, and the stoppage losses he suffered - since moving up in weight, until he got to Marquez, he'd never come close to being stopped. Strange still that Marquez of all people that would be the one to ice him.
