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[Seamus]

Roberto Duran vs Edwin Viruet II

R1.RD
R2.RD
R3.RD
R4.RD
R5.Even
R6.Even
R7.RD
R8.RD
R9.RD
R10.RD
R11.RD
R12.EV (Duran cut above the eye)
R13.RD
R14.RD
R15.RD

Roberto Duran 74-63

Edwin Viruet foolishly chooses to go toe to toe with Duran for the first 4 rounds, and after that he was never in the fight.

[Seamus]

While on the topic of Edwin Viruet. Here's an interesting article about him http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/nyreg ... .html?_r=0

[witherspoon]

Here is my scorecard and some comments.
G v K
1 10 9
2 10 7 twokd's scored by G
3 9 10
4 8 10 ref deducts a point from G, no apparent reason
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 10 9
9 9 10
10 10 9
11 10 10
12 8 10 ref again

113-112 G

I was shocked that the ref literally dictated the outcome of this fight by augmenting the home fighters scorecard with point deductions in his favour. It was almost comically predictable that he got that second point deduction in the last 30 seconds of the fight, just to be sure.

The scorecards for this fight are not on boxrec, but I'm pretty sure the ref made the difference (official result - K won by UD).

[Seamus]

Esteban DeJesus vs Edwin Viruet

R1. ED
R2. Even
R3.EV
R4.EV
R5.EV
R6.ED
R7.ED
R8.EV
R9.EV
R10.Even

Edwin Viruet 5-3-2 (Esteban DeJesus won a SD in this bout)


DeJesus looked pretty tentative for much of this fight, other than the 6th and 7th when he was coming very well with and pressuring Viruet, but the latter recovered well in the 8th and 9th and kept his distance, jabbed well and caught DeJesus coming in.

[witherspoon]

Hector 'Macho' Comacho v Edwin 'El Chapo' Rosario
13 June 1986

I'm watching the HBO broadcast, with Tompkins, Merchant and Leonard.

Rosario is already in the ring as I begin my viewing, bouncing around to stay warm in his plain black and white trunks, like a personification of what a no frills, gritty, tough, but exceptional fighter should do and be. He oozes class, knowing what I do of this guy makes me nostalgic for a time when we were left to trust our own senses, show me the fight and leave me alone to proclaim my own discoveries of this mans qualities.

Tompkins ruins the mood, points out the obvious, explaining that Rosario and Comacho are polar opposite personalities. But there's no escaping the fact that his intrusion into my own judgementality is completely accurate. Comacho walks slowly towards the ring, milking every step for extra milliseconds in a blatant attempt to extend his opponents wait.
He bounds through the ropes and twirls around in the ring like a catwalk queen, modelling his $8000 sequin robe for the benefit of his own ego.

I am reminded forcefully of why I felt such antipathy towards Macho in my youth. And I feel a twinge of shame. Young as I was, how dare I feel anything but awe and respect for a man making his living in this most brutal of sports. How shallow of me to have judged a man on how he moves and what he wears.

Round 1, Comacho, 10-9
Easy round to score, Comacho uses his jab to control the range and scores consistently with daring body punches, in the second half he let's go with some lightning fast straight combos. Rosario defends well, but is unable to counter.

Round 2 10-10
Rosario much busier this round, and much more effective at keeping himself within punching range of Comacho, continues to show a good defense, particularly quick head movement to evade Comacho's jab. But still, Comacho lands enough clean punches to negate Rosario's superior workrate
20-19 Comacho

Round 3 Rosario 10-9
Rosario starts the round determined to close the gap, and he stalks Comacho like a gloved robocop, landing hard right hands that seem to slow Comacho down, he's visibly slower on his feet by the end of the round.
29-29

Round 4 Rosario 10-9
More of the same, Rosario is landing a straight right consistently and keeping Comacho on the defensive. Comacho just can't move out of range quick enough to evade Rosario's right, but most of the time it's because he's trying to initiate some offense of his own. Comacho's hand speed is exceptional but Rosario is timing him brilliantly. Both guys bleeding at the end of the round, Comacho from the left eye, Rosario from the nose.
39-38 Rosario

Round 5 Rosario 10-8
Comacho starts fast, stands his ground and bombards Rosario with fast hooks to head and body on the inside. A seismic left hook from Rosario seems to separate Comacho from his senses, he spends over half the round backtracking and taking hard, clean punches. I'm tempted to give a one point round out of pure admiration, Comacho showed true grit to survive that round and a chin to rival McCallum. But there's no denying the one sided nature of the round.
49-46 Rosario

Round 6 Comacho 10-9
Interesting to see how Comacho responds to the battering he took in R5, considering my preconceptions going into this fight. I've been led to believe that what happens next amounts to a virtual castration of Macho's masculine qualities, rendering him a limp, impotant lump of femininity.
Actually, this played out like a slightly fatigued attempt to reenact R1, Comacho takes it by being the busier man, constantly retreating BUT working well in the pocket and scoring well to the body when Rosario gets himself in range. It's Rosario who seems hesitant to let his hands go in this round.
58-56 Rosario

Round 7 Comacho 10-9
Tough round to score, Comacho continues to control pace and distance, working Rosario over on the inside without landing anything really clean. Rosario reasserts himself in the last minute, and once again starts to land his straight right consistently.
Rosario 67-66

Round 8 Comacho 10-9
The most ineffective round so far for Rosario, he gave that round away. Comacho did nothing spectacular but he stayed busy with his jab and put a couple of decent combinations together. Rosario had him trapped in a neutral corner halfway through the round and failed to capitalise.
76-76

Round 9 Comacho 10-9
Clear round for Comacho, this time most definitely through his own endeavours as opposed to Rosario's lack of work. He hurts Rosario in the first 10 seconds of the round and has him holding on. He continues to be aggressive and busier and scores heavily again in the last minute of the round.
86-85 Comacho

Round 10 Comacho 10-9
Comacho is really hitting his stride now. Much the busier man and although he is constantly back-pedalling, when Rosario does close the gap, it's Comacho who lands more punches. When Rosario lands his straight right, Comacho doesn't continue to retreat as in earlier rounds, he stands his ground and gets in at least 3 hard punches of his own.
96-94 Comacho

Round 11 Rosario 10-9
Better work from Rosario, he seems to have woken up to the fact that the fight is slipping away from him. His defensive head movement is back in play, throwing Comacho of his rhythm and the round is even up to 1:30, when Rosario hurts Comacho very badly once again, and again with a left hook. I can barely remember Rosario throwing any left hooks at all in this fight, apart from the two that rocked Comacho badly. Sugar Ray was on his case about that from the beginning, and was gloating like a MFer after what happened in R5. But IMO, Comacho's footwork has been exceptional and he has managed to vacate the premises extremely quickly when Rosario had success with his straight right, making it impossible for Rosario to follow up. It's telling that on both occasions that he hurt Comacho, Rosario had been busy enough to upset Comacho's rhythm and negate his jab.
105-104 Comacho

Round 12 Rosario 10-9
Rosario starts very aggressively, and bullies Comacho around the ring for the first half of the round. He is landing more, but barely. Roles are reversed now, as Rosario's workrate gives him the upper hand. Comacho starts to land more cleanly in the last minute of the round, but it's too little too late. Rosario's determined, two fisted attacks win him the round.
114-114

A very enjoyable, exciting fight, no evidence to my eyes of any unmanly conduct or excessive use of evasive footwork. I would be grateful if somebody could confirm that the overwhelming consensus of the boxing press has been that Comacho got hurt and ran for his life, I didn't just imagine that, right?

I do believe that Rosario had the beating of Comacho though. He seemed to be so preoccupied with the success he was having with his straight right early on in the fight that he neglected to build on that success, and look, on two occasions that he did follow up with a left hook he came close to finishing Comacho.

I have to say, I'm a huge fan of Rosario and I have an uncomfortable recollection of posting about this fight in the past saying that Rosario was robbed.

[Counter-puncher]

excellent post, i have no problem with that fight being scored a draw

[Seamus]

I'm surprised no one commented on my scoring the 1975 non title bout between Roberto Duran and Edwin Viruet as a 2 pt win for Viruet.

[Counter-puncher]

I've never seen it mate

[witherspoon]

Ha ha!!!!
I purposefully avoided commenting, I couldn't disagree more with your scoring from memory, and I remember vividly watching the fight with my little brother, I've never been so partizan and so vile while watching my man beaten (in my angry eyes)*. To be fair, we were in the process of watching Duran's career, and we were rapidly beginning to resemble teenage girls at a one-direction gig in our blind admiration of the Hands of Stone.

If I watch that fight now, I will probably render a much more balanced view. But it was damn fun at the time, and we whipped ourselves into a frenzy for the rematch. Fun times.

It slipped my mind that Viruet fought DeJesus, and if you are right in scoring that, he definitely deserves more respect than he's ever had from me.

*I'm aware of the contradiction, but I knowingly refused to score for Viruet. I can't remember what I saw to make me dislike him.

[Counter-puncher]

Here is my scorecard and some comments.
G v K
1 10 9
2 10 7 twokd's scored by G
3 9 10
4 8 10 ref deducts a point from G, no apparent reason
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 10 9
9 9 10
10 10 9
11 10 10
12 8 10 ref again

113-112 G

I was shocked that the ref literally dictated the outcome of this fight by augmenting the home fighters scorecard with point deductions in his favour. It was almost comically predictable that he got that second point deduction in the last 30 seconds of the fight, just to be sure.

The scorecards for this fight are not on boxrec, but I'm pretty sure the ref made the difference (official result - K won by UD).

G and K?

[Seamus]

In fairness to DeJesus, he was past his best when he fought Viruet. What can I say about Edwin Viruet though, probably first off, the thing that really hurt him was the fact that he lacked punching power. Other than that, though, he had a very good jab and excellent footwork, and a surprising ability to withstand punishment. Duran really tagged him in the one sided rematch, but Viruet never looked hurt.

[Seamus]

Oh, I forgot, what you probably didn't like about Viruet was his showboating.

[witherspoon]

Here is my scorecard and some comments.
G v K
1 10 9
2 10 7 twokd's scored by G
3 9 10
4 8 10 ref deducts a point from G, no apparent reason
5 9 10
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 10 9
9 9 10
10 10 9
11 10 10
12 8 10 ref again

113-112 G

I was shocked that the ref literally dictated the outcome of this fight by augmenting the home fighters scorecard with point deductions in his favour. It was almost comically predictable that he got that second point deduction in the last 30 seconds of the fight, just to be sure.

The scorecards for this fight are not on boxrec, but I'm pretty sure the ref made the difference (official result - K won by UD).

G and K?

Sorry.

G vs K II.

[witherspoon]

In fairness to DeJesus, he was past his best when he fought Viruet. What can I say about Edwin Viruet though, probably first off, the thing that really hurt him was the fact that he lacked punching power. Other than that, though, he had a very good jab and excellent footwork, and a surprising ability to withstand punishment. Duran really tagged him in the one sided rematch, but Viruet never looked hurt.

Yes, he really showed how tough he was in the rematch. I'm really up for watching both fights now, I might even go to the trouble of scoring fight 1.

[Counter-puncher]

well that explained fkin everything

[witherspoon]

[witherspoon]

Roberto Duran v Edwin Viruet, 30th September 1975. Nassau Coliseum , New York. 10 round non-title bout.

It's interesting to see Duran at the peak of his LW title reign looking a little bit like the thicker man who would fight from WW to MW in the '80's. Not that he looks chubby, he looks fit, just bigger than a LW.
It seems that it was common for lighter weight champions to engage in overweight non-title fights well into the '70's. I guess nobody stays in one weight division long enough these days for overweight non-title fights to be significant. One more side-effect of the proliferation of weight classes and titles.

Round 1. 10-9 Duran
Duran takes the first on effective aggression. He hurts Viruet on two occassions, and is constantly forcing his opponent to retreat. But Viruet is far from gun shy, he does his best to clinch when Duran gets inside, but he is willing to trade punches when he is cornered.

Round 2. 10-9 Viruet
Duran starts more aggressively this round, he's got the look of a man just warmed up to a familiar routine. But Viruet matches Duran's increased intensity with increased confidence in his evasive ability. He takes chances to land accurate, fast combos before dancing gracefully out of range of retaliation. The first signs of showboating manifest themselves as he risks an Ali shuffle while Duran charges angrily towards him and he spends much time with his arms held loosely by his sides while tantalisingly close to Duran's punching range.
19-19

Round 3. 10-9 Duran
Duran's intensity level increases again, now he shows signs of what makes him great. He is like a man-shaped tornado, but his wild fists always know exactly where to be. He is on top of Viruet like lightening and hurting him to head and body, he initiates the clinches now, just to keep Viruet close enough to hurt. And that seems to be his only objective. He's not boxing, he's fighting to hurt this man as much as possible, and the gloves are an obstacle to be overcome, not tools of his trade.
BUT, it's Viruet who really impresses me here. In the face of this force of nature, committed to his destruction, he maintains his composure elegently. He keeps throwing (and landing) hard punches against the incoming deluge of aggression, he keeps his balance and moves about the ring gracefully under fire and most impressively of all, he shows no signs of being discouraged. Ali shuffle at the bell
29-28 Duran

Round 4 10-10
It's very tempting to give this round to Viruet, I almost succumbed to his showboating tactics. But Duran continues to press forward with determination, always landing punches. It's difficult to know if Duran has eased off or if Viruet's tactics are negating his work, but Viruet is definately moving more effectively, he is giving Duran a wider berth and using his jab alot more, snapping it out as long as he possibly can to keep Duran away from him.
39-38 Duran

Round 5 10-9 Viruet
Close round, very difficult to score. Duran's pace has definately slowed, but Viruet seems to have renewed energy, he moves constantly to keep Duran from setting himself and he lands his jab freely. Durans punches are more damaging, and more effective, but Viruet uses his movement and jab to keep Duran away for most of the round. His showboating rises to a new level as he bounds around the ring raising his knees, waves his left hand in front of Duran's face and smiles to the crowd when Duran connects.
48-48

Round 6 10-9 Duran
Viruet starts well, circling wide and using the whole ring to put distance between himself and Duran. But it's not long before Duran catches up, and most of the round is fought in Duran's territory. Viruet fights bravely on the inside, he trades punches willingly with Duran, but he can't match Duran for power and is bullied around the ring.
58-57 Duran

Round 7 10-9 Duran
Duran picks up exactly where he left off at the end of round 6, and this round follows pretty much the same pattern, if anything Duran is landing more cleanly now and more frequently. But for all his attempts to run, mock and evade, Viruet is right there with Duran all the way. He is taking some hard punches but he never stops fighting back.
68-66 Duran

Round 8 10-9 Viruet
Close round, but Viruet much more dedicated to his jab in this round, and actually seems to hurt Duran with a long right hand.
76-77 Duran

Round 9 10-9 Viruet
Another close round, Duran is still doing damage but it's Viruet who controls the action, he keeps Duran out of range for most of the round and scores effectively with his jab.
86-86

Round 10 10-9 Viruet
Viruet starts purposefully, he stays as close as possible to Duran and scores effectively with combinations of straight punches. He manages to outscore Duran in the first half of the round, even resumes his showboating, sticking his chin out at Duran. The second half of the round is more evenly fought, but duran doesn't do enough to overcome Viruet's solid start.
96-95 Viruet

Very exciting fight, thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I'm not 100% sure about my scoring, and won't argue with anyone who says that Duran deserved the decision. But I was really impressed with Viruet, took some heavy punches and weathered some really intense moments without ever losing his cool. And the showboating that probably led me to dislike him when I first watched this fight actually makes me respect his confidence to even dare to do that to Duran in his prime (he had defended his LW title 7 times with 7 KO's at this point).

[Seamus]

Where's Elmer Salsa when you need him. And to prove I wasn't biased in my scoring, I had Duran winning by a wider margin than any of the 3 judges in the rematch.

[witherspoon]

Larry Holmes v Roy 'Tiger' Williams
30th April 1976, Landover, Maryland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3jDbZd5no

Round 1 5-4 Holmes
Round 2 5-4 Holmes
Round 3 5-5
Round 4 5-4 Holmes
Round 5 4-5 Williams
Round 6 4-5 Williams
Round 7 5-5
Round 8 5-4 Holmes
Round 9 5-4 Holmes
Round 10 4-5 Williams

47-45 Holmes

[witherspoon]

Pinklon Thomas v Gerrie Coetzee
22nd January 1983, Atlantic City.

Round 1 10-9 Thomas
Round 2 9-10 Coetzee
Round 3 9-10 Coetzee
Round 4 10-9 Thomas
Round 5 10-10
Round 6 9-10 Coetzee
Round 7 9-10 Coetzee
Round 8 10-9 Thomas
Round 9 10-9 Thomas
Round 10 10-9 Thomas

96-95 Thomas
(the fight was actually scored in rounds, so that would be 5-4-1 for Thomas)

I would be interested to hear other views on this, I found alot of rounds very difficult to score. The last round was very entertaining, both guys really went for it.

[Seamus]

John Mugabi vs James Green

R1. 10-9 JG
R2. 10-9 JM
R3. 10-8 JG
R4. 10-9 JM
R5. 10-9 JM
R6. 10-10
R7. 10-9 JM
R8. 10-9 JM
R9. 10-9 JG

John Mugabi wins by TKO in the 10th round. I had him ahead by 86-85

Courageous performance by the underdog James "Hard Rock" Green, who came right at Mugabi and had him hurt bad in the 3rd round. Cut badly, Green won the 9th round with desperate aggression, but was bleeding badly and being hit at will by Mugabi in the final round.

[crusader]

Kazuto Ioka vs Amnat Ruenroeng: 116-111 Ruenroeng.

[Counter-puncher]

John Mugabi vs James Green

R1. 10-9 JG
R2. 10-9 JM
R3. 10-8 JG
R4. 10-9 JM
R5. 10-9 JM
R6. 10-10
R7. 10-9 JM
R8. 10-9 JM
R9. 10-9 JG

John Mugabi wins by TKO in the 10th round. I had him ahead by 86-85

Courageous performance by the underdog James "Hard Rock" Green, who came right at Mugabi and had him hurt bad in the 3rd round. Cut badly, Green won the 9th round with desperate aggression, but was bleeding badly and being hit at will by Mugabi in the final round.

nice fight, saw it a few years ago

[scartissue]

This past weekend I watched both Patterson-Quarry fights and scored it for my own opinion after years of reading the controversies abound. they are truly close bouts. Remember, I scored it on the California system which is 1 point for the winner of a round (an additional point for a knockdown), no points for even rounds.

Patterson-Quarry I

Round 1: Even-no points
Round 2: Quarry (2 knockdowns) 3 points
Round 3: Patterson
Round 4: Patterson
Round 5: Patterson
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Patterson (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Quarry
Round 10: Quarry

Patterson 6-5

Patterson-Quarry II

Round 1: Patterson
Round 2: Quarry (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 3: Quarry
Round 4: Quarry (1 knockdown) 2 points
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Quarry
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Patterson
Round 10: Patterson
Round 11: Quarry
Round 12: Patterson

Quarry 7-5

[Ambling Alp II]

I'm surprised no one commented on my scoring the 1975 non title bout between Roberto Duran and Edwin Viruet as a 2 pt win for Viruet.

Duran-Viruet I is on Youtube. That was a very interesting fight. Funny that no one ever talks about.