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Lesnar, at one stage, was certainly a freak athlete.

I think that when a lot of people talk about his MMA career they underestimate how devastating his diverticulitis was and how his illness (more than anything) stopped his career in its tracks.

From a 2004 ESPN story on Lesnar...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1830855
...Nobody questions his tenacity. His strength. His pure athletic ability. A few weeks after his wrestling career came to an end with a Wrestlemania loss to Goldberg, Lesnar ran the 40-yard dash in 4.7 seconds, a blistering time for a man his size. He has a 10-foot standing broad jump. A 35-inch vertical leap, not to mention the bench and squat numbers. It's the tools of an NFL running back power packed into a gladiator's frame...
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ikorolev wrote:
crow wrote:This whole card stinks money laundering through "legit" sports competition.
This is the most stupid thing said in this thread.
Naive much ?
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:OhYes: Say no more :lol:[/quote]

Say what you want or will, of Lesnar, but the man at one point had to of been the best all-around athlete of modern times. The man NEVER played football for crying out loud, and got signed with the Vikings. You cannot qualify for the NFL unless you can run 50 in under 5 seconds. Factor in that he was a NCAA wrestling champion, and in less than 4 mma fights won the most prestigous mma title in the world. He went to sh!t real quick after coming down with that intestinal disease... but what is laughable, disease or no disease, how you could laugh or scoff at Lesnar's chances against Bruce Lee.

PHYSICS MAN, PHYSICS. Lee got anywhere close, and got ahold of, he'd be done for. I'll always argue it, that traditional wrestling and jujitsu have proven to be the "best" chief form of defense in mma. There's been more champions from that sort of background than in anything else.[/quote]

Lesnar played first team college football - and he never played a single first team game for the Vikings - a little perspective here.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote::OhYes: Say no more :lol:
Say what you want or will, of Lesnar, but the man at one point had to of been the best all-around athlete of modern times. The man NEVER played football for crying out loud, and got signed with the Vikings. You cannot qualify for the NFL unless you can run 50 in under 5 seconds. Factor in that he was a NCAA wrestling champion, and in less than 4 mma fights won the most prestigous mma title in the world. He went to sh!t real quick after coming down with that intestinal disease... but what is laughable, disease or no disease, how you could laugh or scoff at Lesnar's chances against Bruce Lee.

PHYSICS MAN, PHYSICS. Lee got anywhere close, and got ahold of, he'd be done for. I'll always argue it, that traditional wrestling and jujitsu have proven to be the "best" chief form of defense in mma. There's been more champions from that sort of background than in anything else.[/quote]

Lesnar played first team college football - and he never played a single first team game for the Vikings - a little perspective here.[/quote]

Lee would just skip around for a bit until Lesnar was knackered then BOOM! have some of that son WAAADAAAAA!!! and how can being picked to play football make you a good fighter ridicules.
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Brains not brawn will always win the fight :wave:
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palooka wrote:Norris is the real deal, if he poo on Stallone, Arnold or Rourke they'd pretend they hadn't noticed.

Norris is just a bad actor. At least Rourke has had some real (well almost real :) fights.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Irony is Mickey Rourke is likely much tougher than Schwarzennegger, Stallone, and Chuck Norris put together.
Chuck Norris is a former world champion martial artist, Whereas Mickey is a HGH injecting booze and coke fiend - which one you reckon is tougher?


LMAO. Norris is a world champion like Chauncey Welliver is a world champion. Every guy who teaches karate anywhere in the US calls himself and his 3 kids world champion.
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Tony1244 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Irony is Mickey Rourke is likely much tougher than Schwarzennegger, Stallone, and Chuck Norris put together.
Chuck Norris is a former world champion martial artist, Whereas Mickey is a HGH injecting booze and coke fiend - which one you reckon is tougher?


LMAO. Norris is a world champion like Chauncey Welliver is a world champion. Every guy who teaches karate anywhere in the US calls himself and his 3 kids world champion.
he really was a WORLD champion buddy, sure there were many organizations back then but the one he competed in was recognized as the de facto world level tournament
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Tony1244 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Irony is Mickey Rourke is likely much tougher than Schwarzennegger, Stallone, and Chuck Norris put together.
Chuck Norris is a former world champion martial artist, Whereas Mickey is a HGH injecting booze and coke fiend - which one you reckon is tougher?


LMAO. Norris is a world champion like Chauncey Welliver is a world champion. Every guy who teaches karate anywhere in the US calls himself and his 3 kids world champion.
He was the first westerner to reach 8th Dan black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do - similarly, Steven Segal was a real martial artist, again first 7th Dan black belt in Aikido from outside Japan, and first westerner to have his own Aikido Dojo in Japan.

Mickey Rourke is an actor with a largely fictionalised and bullshit amateur and pro career - compared to those two, he's as soft as shite on a warm day.
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Fair enough. I was a bit tough on Chuck Norris, I guess I just don't care for him much. But there seems to be even more bogus titles in the other martial arts, than there are in boxing. And when I use to go to dojos, all the sinses sp? were "champions." Former PKA Korean Middleweight champion, former AKA women's bantamweight champion, you name it.

How well would these legends, like Norris or Bruce Lee have done in UFC?
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What the f*ck are y'all even talking about anymore?
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That. Bruce Lee would of dominated the UFC for years, with his basic but effective style, killer speed and one inch power punching breaking not only ribs but gaining the admiration of all who say they watched him. :bow:
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Tony1244 wrote:Fair enough. I was a bit tough on Chuck Norris, I guess I just don't care for him much. But there seems to be even more bogus titles in the other martial arts, than there are in boxing. And when I use to go to dojos, all the sinses sp? were "champions." Former PKA Korean Middleweight champion, former AKA women's bantamweight champion, you name it.

How well would these legends, like Norris or Bruce Lee have done in UFC?
Not that well I don't think - the stylised combat of Martial arts is nothing compared to the very real brutality of a cage or boxing ring. Plus they only know one or maybe two discplines, whereas most MMA artists have wrestling and Jui Jitsu as a base, and then add moves from many others.

One real fight, is worth 10 pretend ones.

I'm sure they could adapt, but would they have the necessary toughness, being a good martial artist, and fit, and disciplined is one thing, but fighting through the pain and fear

Bruce Lee was no doubt a great martial artist, but how many actual real bouts did he have - nobody really knows.
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He used to challenge any extras on the film sets that upset him for some reason taking them all out that's pretty real stuff.
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Lackeos wrote:What the f*ck are y'all even talking about anymore?
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reggaereggae wrote:Sweet Jesus, Lesnar would eat Bruce 1 second after he raced across the ring / cage.

Anyone that thinks 130lb Lee would last more than a handful of seconds against an NCAA wrestling, UFC champ who weighs 265lbs and is one of the best athletes ever loves crack more than lil Wayne.,,,,
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HomicideHenry wrote:
reggaereggae wrote:Sweet Jesus, Lesnar would eat Bruce 1 second after he raced across the ring / cage.

Anyone that thinks 130lb Lee would last more than a handful of seconds against an NCAA wrestling, UFC champ who weighs 265lbs and is one of the best athletes ever loves crack more than lil Wayne.,,,,
:TU:
and lil wayne loves his crack! :TU: :OhYes: :o :lol: :lol:
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If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled, and as a result I don't think the public perception of Bruce would have been different. I can only imagine how awful MMA would have been in the 70's, going by how ill-prepared much of the competition was in the 90's.
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HomicideHenry wrote:
Say what you want or will, of Lesnar, but the man at one point had to of been the best all-around athlete of modern times. The man NEVER played football for crying out loud, and got signed with the Vikings. You cannot qualify for the NFL unless you can run 50 in under 5 seconds. Factor in that he was a NCAA wrestling champion, and in less than 4 mma fights won the most prestigous mma title in the world. He went to sh!t real quick after coming down with that intestinal disease... but what is laughable, disease or no disease, how you could laugh or scoff at Lesnar's chances against Bruce Lee.

PHYSICS MAN, PHYSICS. Lee got anywhere close, and got ahold of, he'd be done for. I'll always argue it, that traditional wrestling and jujitsu have proven to be the "best" chief form of defense in mma. There's been more champions from that sort of background than in anything else.




Lesnar was never truly signed by the Vikings. Those were all silly press releases as a publicity stunt. He signed a deal that said he'd actually be signed if they didn't cut him during preseason, and then he'd make the league minimum.

Lesnar is a great example of good genetics and pharmaceuticals combining to a make a super athlete, if you could even call him that. He was quick for a big guy, but his cardio was awful.
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JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled, and as a result I don't think the public perception of Bruce would have been different. I can only imagine how awful MMA would have been in the 70's, going by how ill-prepared much of the competition was in the 90's.
except Bruce had a debilitating back condition at his peak.
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JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled, and as a result I don't think the public perception of Bruce would have been different. I can only imagine how awful MMA would have been in the 70's, going by how ill-prepared much of the competition was in the 90's.
If the UFC remained as it was under Art Davie... one style vs one style... with minimal rules... then I would argue Lee's chances of success are higher... but look at what happened to Royce Gracie when he came back... sure he was older and all, but he only knew one style (ju-jitsu) and was destroyed by Hughes, a man with multiple disciplines under his belt. It also hurt Gracie that he wasnt able to use the gi in that fight like he did in early UFC, and there were many additional rules.

Nobody is gonna have success with just one style. And the chief argument for Lee supporters is that he had multiple disciplines under his belt--- but here's the thing--- there is no "open weight tournaments" in the UFC anymore, and there is so many rules and regulations these days, that these would only limit Lee's overall potential. Also, because of the confines of a cage, I would also argue that this would limit Lee's overall abilities too--- because Lee always talked about "true" combat, which was no rules and no confines.

You throw a 130 pound man inside a 30 foot cage, with a 265+ pound athlete who also has multiple disciplines under his belt--- and Lee can only do what the rules allow--- then he's truly in big trouble. I'd even argue that someone of his own weight, or near weight, would also give him trouble because of these conditions.
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HomicideHenry wrote:look at what happened to Royce Gracie when he came back... sure he was older and all, but he only knew one style (ju-jitsu) and was destroyed by Hughes, a man with multiple disciplines under his belt. It also hurt Gracie that he wasnt able to use the gi in that fight like he did in early UFC, and there were many additional rules.
You mean when Royce was 39 and fighting someone who actually knew how to cut weight, that was still in his prime... #1 in the division and probably Top 10 P4P? I think Royce getting beat up was more about what I stated vs. styles.
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HomicideHenry wrote:
JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled, and as a result I don't think the public perception of Bruce would have been different. I can only imagine how awful MMA would have been in the 70's, going by how ill-prepared much of the competition was in the 90's.
If the UFC remained as it was under Art Davie... one style vs one style... with minimal rules... then I would argue Lee's chances of success are higher... but look at what happened to Royce Gracie when he came back... sure he was older and all, but he only knew one style (ju-jitsu) and was destroyed by Hughes, a man with multiple disciplines under his belt. It also hurt Gracie that he wasnt able to use the gi in that fight like he did in early UFC, and there were many additional rules.

Nobody is gonna have success with just one style. And the chief argument for Lee supporters is that he had multiple disciplines under his belt--- but here's the thing--- there is no "open weight tournaments" in the UFC anymore, and there is so many rules and regulations these days, that these would only limit Lee's overall potential. Also, because of the confines of a cage, I would also argue that this would limit Lee's overall abilities too--- because Lee always talked about "true" combat, which was no rules and no confines.

You throw a 130 pound man inside a 30 foot cage, with a 265+ pound athlete who also has multiple disciplines under his belt--- and Lee can only do what the rules allow--- then he's truly in big trouble. I'd even argue that someone of his own weight, or near weight, would also give him trouble because of these conditions.



Bruce Lee certainly had the ego of Royce Gracie, but wasn't an ignoramus. He didn't believe in styles.
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JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled...
If you take Dan Severn from UFC 4 and put him in an MMA fight with a peak Bruce Lee then there is no doubt in my mind that Bruce gets ragdolled. What is Lee going to do with a 260 lbs wrestler of Severn's calibre?

I don't want to denigrate Lee but, put it this way, in 1968 Bruce Lee turned twenty-eight. On the day Lee turned twenty-eight Danny Hodge was thirty-six years old. If you told me that I had to pick a fight with one of them I would pick Lee every single time. In a heart beat.

Gods of War: Dan Hodge

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/11/12/3 ... xing-boxer

Put it this way, Danny Hodge is in his 80s and can still crush apples one handed. He did it last year at the Oklahoma House of Representatives. Can imagine what he was like at twenty-five?

A video of him in 2010 doing the apple trick. He would have been 77 or 78 at the time of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QWp7AhK3E
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