What is the Americans opinion of Anthony Joshua?

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What is the Americans opinion of Anthony Joshua?

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AJ Anthony Joshua last night dismantled Michael Sprott with a 1st round KO.

Yes we know Sprott is 39 but bear in mind that Sprott has been used as a sparring partner for the big heavyweights for his durability including the likes of Klitschko and that Sprott has gone the distance with Robert Helenius in 2013 and took Kubrat Pulev 9 Rounds in 2012. This makes this stoppage in 1 Round more impressive.

Over in the UK we are aware of the hype the Americans have been giving Deontay Wilder and I'm assuming the hype surrounding Anthony Joshua is similar.

But the journey of Joshua has similarities to Mike Tyson, he is pounding he way through opponents with ease and my only worry is he will be protected so much that we may never see him come up against Klitschko as there paths won't cross with Wladimar Klitschko retiring.

For a UKs point of view I'm hoping David Haye returns, as a potential Haye vs Joshua fight would be amazing, two heavyweights with superb body's for the heavyweight division.

But again this is from a UK/European perspective and I just wonder the thoughts of Anthony Joshua from across the pond!
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sprott is also a guy who been knocked out 1st round in last few outings
sparring doesnt mean anything
richard towers sparred with wladimir, haye wilder before getting sparked by browne

Boxing is about levels. Joshua is at a very high level but we dont know where at yet as he is doing his job, KO'ing guys he is expected to.

Put into perspective, Joshua IMO beats Charr. Charr would probably KO all joshuas 10 opponents (which he has a few of). So Joshua isnt doing anything that none of the top 25 heavyweights (on boxrec) can't do.

In america alot of untested heavyweights too

1. Wilder
2. Breazedale
3. Charles martin
4. G Washington

These guys are on a similar path like joshua

Only Jennings has stepped up who IMO is the best american Heavyweight
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"Joshua is the best HW prospect I've seen in a long long time."
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Tony1244 wrote:"Joshua is the best HW prospect I've seen in a long long time."
An American
He's the best of the young professional heavyweight prospects but in truth there are 2-3 others in the amateurs that are just as good.

Joshua is a big man with power and skills. But he didn't have the best chin in the amateurs and needs to stay focused once he attains top ten status. Stamina for ten rounds and beyond need to be proven as do his survival skills when he's hurt.

Joshua could be number one in the world once Wlad retires. To match him vs Wlad in 2015 would ruin his career.
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Looks like Joshua is fighting Kevin Johnson next, on Jan 30:

http://www.BS.com/anthony-josh ... -30--84590
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Freedom2013 wrote:Looks like Joshua is fighting Kevin Johnson next, on Jan 30:

http://www.BS.com/anthony-josh ... -30--84590
yep, they wanna get him rounds, without gettinf beaten and johnson is that man

i feel Rudenko was more credible!!
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pound per pound wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:"Joshua is the best HW prospect I've seen in a long long time."
An American
He's the best of the young professional heavyweight prospects but in truth there are 2-3 others in the amateurs that are just as good.

Joshua is a big man with power and skills. But he didn't have the best chin in the amateurs and needs to stay focused once he attains top ten status. Stamina for ten rounds and beyond need to be proven as do his survival skills when he's hurt.

Joshua could be number one in the world once Wlad retires. To match him vs Wlad in 2015 would ruin his career.

Who are the guys in the amateurs that are just as good? Please let me know. I enjoy looking at these guys early.
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The typical American would say... Who?

The typical American boxing fan would say... Who?
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JCS wrote:The typical American would say... Who?

The typical American boxing fan would say... Who?

Unfortunately, you are correct.
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In the heavyweight division of 2015, merely looking the part of a serious heavyweight contender gets you legitimate top 20 status regardless of your skill level. I think his skills are better than Wilder and he might even be a superior athlete to boot. If you're looking at undefeated prospects wondering who might contend for titles in the future, Anthony Joshua is the rational choice.
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...at this point, almost ANYONE outside of his home country would say ...who?
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Who?

Lmao, jk

American boxing fans, take prospects, especially heavyweights, with a grain of salt. Far as we all can see, this man has beaten essentially unknowns, old men, and just standard run of the mill English/European fighters.

He may be highly touted in Britain, but then again England's heavyweight scene is rather scarce outside of the Fury's and Haye. It's no disrespect, but at the end of the day how can we take the man seriously until he defeats someone of purpose. This man, far as I understand or know, is not even European class yet--- but Empire status. Too early to tell.
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The fact a few on here are presuming people outside of UK would say who!
Makes me think that there is a lot of un appreciated or maybe blinkered fans, or maybe it's the fact that in the US there boxing media or boxing fans don't like to know what's going on with up and coming fighters unless it's fighters in there own country.

We (the UK) have been aware of Deontay Wilder for a good few years now, our media has kept us updated with his progress.

This has been the case in the past, we in the UK were well aware of Jeff Lacey when the US were raving about him, it wasn't a case of who is this guy never heard of him, our boxing correspondences listened to what the US had to say of this so called amazing fighter. Obviously the guy flopped.

This seems to be the case as another Kelly Pavlik flopped after being built up but again it seems the majority in the UK were aware of who Pavlik was as our media would listen to your building up of this fighter.

Another is Adrien Broner, built up and then beaten.

My point is that if people in the US don't know who Anthony Joshua is then your boxing reporters over there have a huge lack of respect for up and coming British or overseas fighters.

I'm not saying this is the case but it seems this way to me!
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CTaylor1999 wrote:The fact a few on here are presuming people outside of UK would say who!
I'm not presuming.. I'm telling you the facts.

I bet if I asked 500 random people on the street who Anthony Joshua was, not a single one would have a clue.

Sadly, boxing is pretty low on the pro sports lexicon for the US.
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JCS wrote:
CTaylor1999 wrote:The fact a few on here are presuming people outside of UK would say who!
I'm not presuming.. I'm telling you the facts.

I bet if I asked 500 random people on the street who Anthony Joshua was, not a single one would have a clue.

Sadly, boxing is pretty low on the pro sports lexicon for the US.

But if you asked 500 boxing fans and not random people how many would know of him?
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But JCS, what point are you making? He's asked for an American fans opinion of him, I'm sure you've see him, if not why are you posting in the thread?
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JCS wrote:
CTaylor1999 wrote:The fact a few on here are presuming people outside of UK would say who!
I'm not presuming.. I'm telling you the facts.

I bet if I asked 500 random people on the street who Anthony Joshua was, not a single one would have a clue.

Sadly, boxing is pretty low on the pro sports lexicon for the US.

They aren't facts, they are assumptions, as you haven't actually asked 500 people.
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SNG wrote:But JCS, what point are you making? He's asked for an American fans opinion of him, I'm sure you've see him, if not why are you posting in the thread?
Sorry, I guess I've lost the plot. He asked for the Americans opinion... and I took it as, what we think the general consensus is of him, over here in America. Its hard to have thoughts on a general consensus opinion if no one has ever heard of the guy.

And yes James, I did not ask 500 people.. but it's an assumption the sun will rise tomorrow too. Get what I'm saying? I'm the one that lives here..
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Joshua is a good prospect, and that is all until we see him tested. Wilder has had similar reviews, and still needs to be tested as well. How about see how Joshua does against M. Scott for a measuring point?

So far, Wilder has beat about 25 or so tomato cans, and Joshua has beat about 10. Right now I would go with the guy that beat more tomato cans. :OhYes:
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JCS wrote:
SNG wrote:But JCS, what point are you making? He's asked for an American fans opinion of him, I'm sure you've see him, if not why are you posting in the thread?
Sorry, I guess I've lost the plot. He asked for the Americans opinion... and I took it as, what we think the general consensus is of him, over here in America. Its hard to have thoughts on a general consensus opinion if no one has ever heard of the guy.

And yes James, I did not ask 500 people.. but it's an assumption the sun will rise tomorrow too. Get what I'm saying? I'm the one that lives here..

I'm merely pointing out the difference between opinions and facts. You cannot present your opinion as a fact, because facts have to have a source.

And yes, I am being rather pedantic - personally I agree, I doubt most Americans, fight fans or otherwise know who the hell he is. I bet American Journalists do though.

I'd say Joshua is a great prospect, he's technically a lot better than the likes of Wilder, who is very rough around the edges. He needs some rounds under his belt, but it's going to be hard to get them, because people keep keeling over when he hits them.
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ive only seen him on youtube and probably found by accident. don't think he will be as good as Haye or Bruno, but will just have to wait and see.
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I would have thought boxing fans may have taken an interest in the Olympics. Not just in the US but the world over.

If you asked 500 random people who deontay wilder was you wouldn't get much of a response in Europe. Boxing aint that mainstream.
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Not an American, but perhaps close enough.

My opinion is that he's the best prospect in the division. I don't read that much into his last win given that Sprott has three first round stoppage losses since August 2013, but Joshua has consistently impressed over his last several fights and despite his relative inexperience he's beaten certain opponents far more convincingly than recentish title challengers like Solis and Charr have. He's a legitimate SHW, seems to use his size well, has good power, decent speed, and he's shown good variety to me, being able to fight well inside and out. Another quality that I have a particular fondness for his activity in clinches, as he doesn't consistently let opponents get an unpunished breather when they're tied up as so many others do.

He still seems a bit stiff to me and sometimes he lifts his head straight up when attacked, which is perhaps a sign that he can get a bit uncomfortable when people are throwing back at him. His chin and stamina are also fairly untested as a pro, and given his muscular frame and instances of being dropped/hurt in the amateurs I'm not ready to say that he won't have issues in those departments. Obviously if he keeps blowing people away these factors won't be huge issues, but I suspect he'll eventually face people who clock him with some power or extend him several rounds, or both. If his chin and stamina are solid I think his chances of becoming an elite HW, possibly THE man in the division are good.
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Wladimir reckons he's the heir apparent,thats good enough for me :bag:
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I'm American


I think Anthony Joshua will most likely be a pretty dominate champion in the next few years. I think, well, I am hoping he will bring some excitement back to the division.
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