Mickey Rourke

[Lackeos]

So anyways, this fight went down, and it was more fake-looking than you would probably imagine. The 29-year-old could basically be knocked down by a feather. It looked even more fake than any of Wilder's wins. So yeah, Rourke got the fake KO 2 and completely blew away any notion that he might be able to beat anyone in a real fight.

[Impractical Poster]

If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled...

If you take Dan Severn from UFC 4 and put him in an MMA fight with a peak Bruce Lee then there is no doubt in my mind that Bruce gets ragdolled. What is Lee going to do with a 260 lbs wrestler of Severn's calibre?

I don't want to denigrate Lee but, put it this way, in 1968 Bruce Lee turned twenty-eight. On the day Lee turned twenty-eight Danny Hodge was thirty-six years old. If you told me that I had to pick a fight with one of them I would pick Lee every single time. In a heart beat.

Gods of War: Dan Hodge

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/11/12/3 ... xing-boxer

Put it this way, Danny Hodge is in his 80s and can still crush apples one handed. He did it last year at the Oklahoma House of Representatives. Can imagine what he was like at twenty-five?

A video of him in 2010 doing the apple trick. He would have been 77 or 78 at the time of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QWp7AhK3E

Bruce Lee is such a legend now, it is impossible for many to really think rationally about him. He beats everyone plain and simple. But the reality is, if you take Bruce at his peak, he would still get beaten by plenty of today's fighters. But let's take someone Bruce's own size... Jose Aldo would destroy Lee.

Now, if Lee were to have trained in MMA as these guys do today, who knows... But that is all subjective. Today's mixed martial artists train all day, every day to fight. They compete and spar regularly, and practice the most effectively tried and proven forms of fighting to date. No way would Lee at any point in his life been able to compete with someone the caliber of a Jose Aldo.

[chucktaylor]

So anyways, this fight went down, and it was more fake-looking than you would probably imagine. The 29-year-old could basically be knocked down by a feather. It looked even more fake than any of Wilder's wins. So yeah, Rourke got the fake KO 2 and completely blew away any notion that he might be able to beat anyone in a real fight.

At least it was an exhibition, so there was no pretense of reality.

[bluerosekiller]

Wow. They certainly found the perfect opponent for Rourke today, now didn't they? LOL
But, that's pretty much just what I expected.
Not only was the guy 1-9, but he was also fighting well outside of his weight class & it was obvious from looking at him that he was whoafully out of shape & hadn't trained a day for the "fight". He showed up to collect a check & that's it.

Somethings never change...
In all honesty, I was VERY nearly chosen as an opponent for Rourke back in 1993.
My agent/promoter Mike Acri almost had the contract in hand for me to fight Rourke on a card in Germany, but his people took another look at my background & record & decided to go with a guy that had never fought before. And, not that I'm bragging, because I was a very ordinary fighter for the most part, but I was well schooled ( just 22-5 as an amateur with 2 pro fights http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer, but I'd spent years as a sparring partner for a lot of good pros ), I had good power & ( my best asset ) an excellent chin. So, once they found that out, they nixed me & went with a total sub-novice in Tom McCoy.
And yeah, I was gutted. The money was insane for a four rounder, the trip to Europe alone would have been worth it & yes, I'm confident that I would have beat Rourke.

[TheLeprechaun]

Wow. They certainly found the perfect opponent for Rourke today, now didn't they? LOL
But, that's pretty much just what I expected.
Not only was the guy 1-9, but he was also fighting well outside of his weight class & it was obvious from looking at him that he was whoafully out of shape & hadn't trained a day for the "fight". He showed up to collect a check & that's it.

Somethings never change...
In all honesty, I was VERY nearly chosen as an opponent for Rourke back in 1993.
My agent/promoter Mike Acri almost had the contract in hand for me to fight Rourke on a card in Germany, but his people took another look at my background & record & decided to go with a guy that had never fought before. And, not that I'm bragging, because I was a very ordinary fighter for the most part, but I was well schooled ( just 22-5 as an amateur with 2 pro fights http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer, but I'd spent years as a sparring partner for a lot of good pros ), I had good power & ( my best asset ) an excellent chin. So, once they found that out, they nixed me & went with a total sub-novice in Tom McCoy.
And yeah, I was gutted. The money was insane for a four rounder, the trip to Europe alone would have been worth it & yes, I'm confident that I would have beat Rourke.

Why did your pro career not take off?

[lillywhite14]

Wow. They certainly found the perfect opponent for Rourke today, now didn't they? LOL
But, that's pretty much just what I expected.
Not only was the guy 1-9, but he was also fighting well outside of his weight class & it was obvious from looking at him that he was whoafully out of shape & hadn't trained a day for the "fight". He showed up to collect a check & that's it.

Somethings never change...
In all honesty, I was VERY nearly chosen as an opponent for Rourke back in 1993.
My agent/promoter Mike Acri almost had the contract in hand for me to fight Rourke on a card in Germany, but his people took another look at my background & record & decided to go with a guy that had never fought before. And, not that I'm bragging, because I was a very ordinary fighter for the most part, but I was well schooled ( just 22-5 as an amateur with 2 pro fights http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_ ... &cat=boxer, but I'd spent years as a sparring partner for a lot of good pros ), I had good power & ( my best asset ) an excellent chin. So, once they found that out, they nixed me & went with a total sub-novice in Tom McCoy.
And yeah, I was gutted. The money was insane for a four rounder, the trip to Europe alone would have been worth it & yes, I'm confident that I would have beat Rourke.

You should have assured them that Rourke would have won, got the payday, exposure and the trip etc

[crusader]

How did the guy you fought in your second bout escape with a NC? Did you accidentally foul him? If the guy gets injured by anything other than an illegal maneuver and he can't continue it seems to me like he should lose the fight.

[bluerosekiller]

The Leprechaun - A myriad of reasons actually. I was already 29 years old at the time, I'd taken plenty of lumps during my career as a sparring partner & as a walk in banger without very good head movement, I was realistic with my expectations. Plus, I blew out my knee which required surgery, my first child was born shortly after that & the years just got away from me. You know?
In retrospect, I wish I'd given it a better shot & stayed in the game longer, but ...
Thanks much for asking though.

crusader - That my friend is the hazard of fighting in one's opponent's hometown. LOL.
Again, thanks for taking an interest.

- Jim

[bluerosekiller]

lillywhite14 - Well, the game doesn't "quite" work that way.
They weren't interested in an opponent that guaranteed them that he'd lose, because that would be, of course, illegal. A fixed fight.
But then, they certainly weren't interested in an opponent who could actually fight, like me. So... The alternative was to shop around a wee bit more for an individual that would show up to fight, but didn't really know how to. Get me?
It's a helluva game my friend. A helluva game. LOL.

- Jim

[reggaereggae]

I'm confused by Norris.... He achieved so much, but in Way of the Dragon he looks so sh1t next to Bruce....

[bluerosekiller]

Chuck Norris was hell on wheels when it came to tournament/point Karate.
But, contrary to popular belief, he never had a single full contact karate/kickboxing match. Not one.
Contemporaries of his like Joe Lewis & Bill Wallace went on to become great pioneers of the sport, but not Norris.
Oh, he was a helluva martial artist in his day, but not a fighter.

[lillywhite14]

lillywhite14 - Well, the game doesn't "quite" work that way.
They weren't interested in an opponent that guaranteed them that he'd lose, because that would be, of course, illegal. A fixed fight.
But then, they certainly weren't interested in an opponent who could actually fight, like me. So... The alternative was to shop around a wee bit more for an individual that would show up to fight, but didn't really know how to. Get me?
It's a helluva game my friend. A helluva game. LOL.

- Jim

Oh I understand, I was being a little tongue in cheek

Rourke making his comeback not got your competitive juices flowing again!?

[bluerosekiller]

Oh man, if it would actually lead to a bout with Rourke?
I'd be back in training tomorrow!
At 53, I'm in my prime compared to him! LOL.

[greg]

... just watched it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPU3bv2oyg#t=21
...one more round und Rourke would have disintegrated on his own...

[TheWigwam]

Interesting stuff Mr. Allcorn/Bluerose, sort of insight that makes me glad I'm on this forum!

[seattledirk]

... just watched it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPU3bv2oyg#t=21
...one more round und Rourke would have disintegrated on his own...

Wow, Rourke sure has some dynamite body blows.

This is probably how the pre-fight talk between the Russian promoter and Elliot Seymour went down:
"The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride f***ing with you. F*** pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that sh*t."
disclaimer: might or might not have been stolen from Pulp Fiction

I remember watching Rourke's fight against McCay in Germany, 1993. The crowd was cheering Rourke on his way to the ring and was booing him coming out of the first round. People expected some Rocky Balboa stuff and quickly realized that actors aren't boxers. WWE star Batista's MMA debut was a similar revelation. It's funny how WWE stars can work high intensity matches for 20-30 minutes and completely gas in a real fight within 2 minutes.

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#Bruce Lee
You can't simply discard any chance of a 130 pounder against a 265 pounder. The utterly limited Royce Gracie beat former Sumo-champs in Japan for instance. I give Bruce Lee a ton of credit for being open minded and looking into every martial art instead of just one style. Of course a Brock Lesnar would literally murder him within a minute. You don't even have to go as far as Brock Lesnar. Jose Aldo (MMA-champ in Bruce Lee's weight class) would easily beat a prime Bruce Lee. The beauty of Lee is that he would be the last one to disagree with that assumption! He never had any disillusions that his style was perfect and could never be surpassed. He was probably the only martial arts master who was aware that the fight game is always evolving. Obviously he would have assumed that fighting styles of 2014 are superior than those of 1974.
You can't hate a guy for the idiocy of his followers!

[palooka]

... just watched it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPU3bv2oyg#t=21
...one more round und Rourke would have disintegrated on his own...

Wow, Rourke sure has some dynamite body blows.

This is probably how the pre-fight talk between the Russian promoter and Elliot Seymour went down:
"The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride f***ing with you. F*** pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that sh*t."
disclaimer: might or might not have been stolen from Pulp Fiction

I remember watching Rourke's fight against McCay in Germany, 1993. The crowd was cheering Rourke on his way to the ring and was booing him coming out of the first round. People expected some Rocky Balboa stuff and quickly realized that actors aren't boxers. WWE star Batista's MMA debut was a similar revelation. It's funny how WWE stars can work high intensity matches for 20-30 minutes and completely gas in a real fight within 2 minutes.

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#Bruce Lee
You can't simply discharge any chance of a 130 pounder against a 265 pounder. The utterly limited Royce Gracie beat former Sumo-champs in Japan for instance. I give Bruce Lee a ton of credit for being open minded and looking into every martial art instead of just one style. Of course a Brock Lesnar would literally murder him within a minute. You don't even have to go as far as Brock Lesnar. Jose Aldo (MMA-champ in Bruce Lee's weight class) would easily beat a prime Bruce Lee. The beauty of Lee is that he would be the last one to disagree with that assumption! He never had any disillusions that his style was perfect and could never be surpassed. He was probably the only martial arts master who was aware that the fight game is always evolving. Obviously he would have assumed that fighting styles of 2014 are superior than those of 1974.
You can't hate a guy for the idiocy of his followers!

well said.

[PsychoGamerTwo]

Oh man, if it would actually lead to a bout with Rourke?
I'd be back in training tomorrow!
At 53, I'm in my prime compared to him! LOL.

He wants another three 'fights' in Russia... contact him, tell them, you don't want THAT much. And then knock him out cold!

[JCS]

Oh man, if it would actually lead to a bout with Rourke?
I'd be back in training tomorrow!
At 53, I'm in my prime compared to him! LOL.

He wants another three 'fights' in Russia... contact him, tell them, you don't want THAT much. And then knock him out cold!

Might not make it out of the country...

[seattledirk]

Oh man, if it would actually lead to a bout with Rourke?
I'd be back in training tomorrow!
At 53, I'm in my prime compared to him! LOL.

He wants another three 'fights' in Russia... contact him, tell them, you don't want THAT much. And then knock him out cold!

Might not make it out of the country...

If they want Rourke to win, they'll make sure you get the message. If they wouldn't want Rourke to win, they wouldn't have him fight in the first place. What's the point in promoting him and have him lose to a 53-year old? They might let Rourke win 3 fights and then have him lose against a Russian fighter, not against a Western no-name though.

[Wake up call]

Just seen this from the Mail Online.

Claims the fight was rigged.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fight.html

[ikorolev]

Wasn't it clear before any claims ?

[Wake up call]

Wasn't it clear before any claims ?

fornicate knows. Not watched it.

[JCS]

He also writes posts about being homeless on his Facebook page

Uhhhh ok.

[lefty]

Chuck Norris is a former world champion martial artist, Whereas Mickey is a HGH injecting booze and coke fiend - which one you reckon is tougher?

LMAO. Norris is a world champion like Chauncey Welliver is a world champion. Every guy who teaches karate anywhere in the US calls himself and his 3 kids world champion.

He was the first westerner to reach 8th Dan black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do - similarly, Steven Segal was a real martial artist, again first 7th Dan black belt in Aikido from outside Japan, and first westerner to have his own Aikido Dojo in Japan.

Mickey Rourke is an actor with a largely fictionalised and bullshit amateur and pro career - compared to those two, he's as soft as shite on a warm day.

You need to look up Gene Lebell if you havent heard of him already.