Prime Frazier vs Prime Foreman

[abdelfadeeli]

Everything you are posting argues against your point. It is bizarre.

" I am young and I am strong, so why should I stop fighting? I love it man. There aint nothing greater. Aint nobody around who can take the title from me"

Dose that sound like someone who isnt confident? or feels they are past their best?

The rest of the article is just a typical preview of a fight.

C,mon man. Just leave it. Leave it be and let it go.

I see you've conveniently ignored everything else about the article.

[Broomhall]

Everything you are posting argues against your point. It is bizarre.

" I am young and I am strong, so why should I stop fighting? I love it man. There aint nothing greater. Aint nobody around who can take the title from me"

Dose that sound like someone who isnt confident? or feels they are past their best?

The rest of the article is just a typical preview of a fight.

C,mon man. Just leave it. Leave it be and let it go.

I see you've conveniently ignored everything else about the article.

No, I read it. The bit above is the important bit. Some feeling Frazier past his best, that the Ali fight took a lot out of him blah blah, but Frazier himself firmly rebutting this.

Many top fighters struggle to get up for easy defences or fights and especially after the hype around the Ali fight, Frazier would have been flat and unmotivated against guys like Stander-maybe like Duran against Batten or Laing-but as he says himself-he was "up" and prepared for Foreman.

C'mon man just lay down. Leave it alone.

[abdelfadeeli]

Everything you are posting argues against your point. It is bizarre.

" I am young and I am strong, so why should I stop fighting? I love it man. There aint nothing greater. Aint nobody around who can take the title from me"

Dose that sound like someone who isnt confident? or feels they are past their best?

The rest of the article is just a typical preview of a fight.

C,mon man. Just leave it. Leave it be and let it go.

I see you've conveniently ignored everything else about the article.

No, I read it. The bit above is the important bit. Some feeling Frazier past his best, that the Ali fight took a lot out of him blah blah, but Frazier himself firmly rebutting this.
Then why did Norton unusually get the better of Frazier in sparring after the Ali fight?
Many top fighters struggle to get up for easy defences or fights and especially after the hype around the Ali fight, Frazier would have been flat and unmotivated against guys like Stander-maybe like Duran against Batten or Laing-but as he says himself-he was "up" and prepared for Foreman.

C'mon man just lay down. Leave it alone.

Then why did Norton unusually get the better of Frazier in sparring after the fotc?

[Broomhall]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

[cjdragon]

Wow you two are still going at it

:)

[abdelfadeeli]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

[yancey]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

I admire your patience in dealing with this Broomhall dude.

[Broomhall]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

I admire your patience in dealing with this Broomhall dude.

So do I, and have enjoyed it all

[Broomhall]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

what have knives got to with this?

So nothing to do with Norton improving as a fighter, gaining more confidence and learning how to deal with Fraziers fairly repetitive armoury?

Didnt Foreman destroy Norton as well? or are you now going to claim that Norton was past his best following his two gruelling fights with Ali?

C'mon dude just walk away....

[abdelfadeeli]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

what have knives got to with this?

So nothing to do with Norton improving as a fighter, gaining more confidence and learning how to deal with Fraziers fairly repetitive armoury?

Didnt Foreman destroy Norton as well? or are you now going to claim that Norton was past his best following his two gruelling fights with Ali?

C'mon dude just walk away....

Please don't tell me prime Norton beats Frazier.

[abdelfadeeli]

Who cares? sparring is sparring, fighting is fighting.

Let me explain it to you since you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. Frazier usually handled Norton in sparring. After the Fotc, that all changed. Norton unusually got the better of Frazier. It got to the point where Frazier's camp had to let Norton go.

I admire your patience in dealing with this Broomhall dude.

Its only a few dopes.... Broomhall starts these conversations when he goes off his ADD meds and when Mom turns the internet off in the basement. But thats what happens when you use the generic birth control.... I saved a whole buck fifty how was I to know rite aid was not comparable to Trojan man?

Broomhall really is a nice guy though.... Its just that when someone offered him an extra chromosome well.... it seemed like a good idea at the time.

And he really follows boxing! he colors in all the figures in his boxing book with his favorite crayola colors.

And I don't want to say the guy lacks sense.... But in his astronomy class when they were trying to figure out how to go to the sun? Broomhall suggested going at night. Oh well....

[Broomhall]

"Please don't tell me prime Norton beats Frazier".[/quote]

Why not? according to you he handled him in training, now you seem to be changing your tune again! Nortons form against Ali is just as good if not better than Fraziers, he gave Holmes a very hard fight, and Holmes beats Frazier imo, and overall his resume stacks up well to Fraziers so yeah Norton stands a good chance against Frazier.

And like you admitted earlier Frazier was back to his best when he was sparring with Norton, but you said they had to get rid of him cause be was beating on Joe.

[cjdragon]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

[Broomhall]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

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Whoa man! you got to be careful posting stuff like that! It makes sense to me, but when you post an opinion that some guys disagree with they even start insulting you. Internet warriors....

[abdelfadeeli]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Ali was the favorite to beat Spinks so surely he was in his prime when he lost?

[Giancarlo]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Your opinion seems valid to me.

But expect to be 'attacked' by the resident flat earthers who are still in denial 40 years after Joe got bounced around.

[abdelfadeeli]

"Please don't tell me prime Norton beats Frazier".

Why not? according to you he handled him in training, now you seem to be changing your tune again! Nortons form against Ali is just as good if not better than Fraziers, he gave Holmes a very hard fight, and Holmes beats Frazier imo, and overall his resume stacks up well to Fraziers so yeah Norton stands a good chance against Frazier.

And like you admitted earlier Frazier was back to his best when he was sparring with Norton, but you said they had to get rid of him cause be was beating on Joe.[/quote]
When did I admit this? I said Norton was beating Frazier in sparring AFTER the Ali fight Frazier beats Holmes and Norton. Sorry if you can't handle it. http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/wh ... rton/29870 That is a prime 1974 Norton against past Prime 1974 Frazier.
Joe Frazier beat Muhammad Ali. Took him the distance twice, was his toughest opponent and had him beat in the third fight when his corner forced him to stop due to a badly swollen eye.

When comparing Holmes and Ali, Ali is superior in every category, most importantly - footwork. He was ten times more graceful, more balanced and quicker on his toes than Holmes, who never judged distances or danced into or away from danger as good as Ali. Holmes also never had as granite a jaw as Ali; Ali took punches of a prime Shavers when he himself was way past it, a young Holmes almost got KTFO by a old shavers. Holmes was also nowhere near as fast.
http://coxscorner.tripod.com/frazier_holmes.html

[Broomhall]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Ali was the favorite to beat Spinks so surely he was in his prime when he lost?

Dont be childish Abdel. Ali was 36 with nearly 60 fights and a reputation for not training. Frazier was 29 with relatively few rounds in the bank.

Also in my opinion] Holmes the most underated champ in history and I think he has a shot at beating Frazier, I also think Norton has the style to beat frazier. Futch got rid of Norton cause Norton was whupping him in sparring so as you admitted he has a good chance of beating Frazier

[abdelfadeeli]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Ali was the favorite to beat Spinks so surely he was in his prime when he lost?

Dont be childish Abdel. Ali was 36 with nearly 60 fights and a reputation for not training. Frazier was 29 with relatively few rounds in the bank.

Also in my opinion] Holmes the most underated champ in history and I think he has a shot at beating Frazier, I also think Norton has the style to beat frazier. Futch got rid of Norton cause Norton was whupping him in sparring so as you admitted he has a good chance of beating Frazier

I didn't admit anything. Please don't talk for me, I have no problem doing it myself. Norton has the style to beat Frazier? What are you smoking? Seriously let me get some of that. For the record swarmers are shot at a relatively young age. Tyson had less rounds than Frazier at 29 so was he prime to?

[cjdragon]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Ali was the favorite to beat Spinks so surely he was in his prime when he lost?

Being a betting favorite was only one of four things I mentioned.
The other three were: age, record and styles.
Also, I thought we were talking about Frazier vs Foreman.

Look, I would have bet on Frazier beating Foreman right before their first fight.
But he got clobbered in 2 rounds by someone who had the right style to do it.

I really don't see any objective evidence that Frazier was past his prime at the time of the first Foreman fight.

[Broomhall]

An interesting scientific observation there Abdel

Anyway back to planet earth as you admitted Norton owns Frazier in sparring so futch sends him to the beach, so why is it impossible for Norton or Holmes to beat Frazier?

Tyson was into a non boxing lifestyle, not comparable to Frazier at all. He was completely off the rails and without the men who had kept him on track. Frazier had the same team and was married and a dedicated professional.

Chalk and cheese man, chalk and cheese.

[abdelfadeeli]

Just a thought, but how is a 29 year old Heavyweight Champion with a record of 29-0 (25 KO), and a solid favorite to win the fight, past his prime?
That just doesn't sound right.

I think Frazier was demolished by Foreman not because he was past his prime (in the 1st fight), but because styles make fights and Frazier's style was perfect for Foreman to feast on, so to speak.

Just my opinion of course.

Ali was the favorite to beat Spinks so surely he was in his prime when he lost?

Being a betting favorite was only one of four things I mentioned.
The other three were: age, record and styles.
Also, I thought we were talking about Frazier vs Foreman.

Look, I would have bet on Frazier beating Foreman right before their first fight.
But he got clobbered in 2 rounds by someone who had the right style to do it.

I really don't see any objective evidence that Frazier was past his prime at the time of the first Foreman fight.

No fighter is prime at 29. Let alone swarmers. Swarmers take far more punishment than anybody else. You still didn't answer my question. Was Tyson prime at 29?

[cjdragon]

Abdelfadeeli - I never mentioned Tyson.
You might have gotten the quotes mixed up above.

[abdelfadeeli]

Abdelfadeeli - I never mentioned Tyson.
You might have gotten the quotes mixed up above.

I know you didn't mention Tyson. I did when I asked you a question about him which you deliberately ignored.

[cjdragon]

Abdelfadeeli - I never mentioned Tyson.
You might have gotten the quotes mixed up above.

I know you didn't mention Tyson. I did when I asked you a question about him which you deliberately ignored.

Nope, you asked Broom.

Look at my posts and who you are responding to.