LMAO. Norris is a world champion like Chauncey Welliver is a world champion. Every guy who teaches karate anywhere in the US calls himself and his 3 kids world champion.
He was the first westerner to reach 8th Dan black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do - similarly, Steven Segal was a real martial artist, again first 7th Dan black belt in Aikido from outside Japan, and first westerner to have his own Aikido Dojo in Japan.
Mickey Rourke is an actor with a largely fictionalised and bullshit amateur and pro career - compared to those two, he's as soft as shite on a warm day.
You need to look up Gene Lebell if you havent heard of him already.
For the folks who don't know the story:
"Judo" Gene allegedly choked out Segal in a little tussle they had on a movie set. Segal allegedly soiled himself while going unconscious.
Both Gene LeBell and Segal were on an MMA radio show on Sherdog.com on separate occasions. Gene didn't want to go into detail but basically confirmed the story. A week later Segal (usually calm to the point of appearing sleepy) suddenly got furious and cursed all over the place when confronted with LeBell's statement.
Usually those kind of reactions show that a story is true.
the guy won, well done to him.
If Mickey wants to fight, then somehow someway, he'll fight and as far as I am concerned if his health isn't in danger and he can still perform well, then there is no problem.
seattledirk wrote:
For the folks who don't know the story:
"Judo" Gene allegedly choked out Segal in a little tussle they had on a movie set. Segal allegedly soiled himself while going unconscious.
Both Gene LeBell and Segal were on an MMA radio show on Sherdog.com on separate occasions. Gene didn't want to go into detail but basically confirmed the story. A week later Segal (usually calm to the point of appearing sleepy) suddenly got furious and cursed all over the place when confronted with LeBell's statement.
Usually those kind of reactions show that a story is true.
seattledirk wrote:
For the folks who don't know the story:
"Judo" Gene allegedly choked out Segal in a little tussle they had on a movie set. Segal allegedly soiled himself while going unconscious.
Both Gene LeBell and Segal were on an MMA radio show on Sherdog.com on separate occasions. Gene didn't want to go into detail but basically confirmed the story. A week later Segal (usually calm to the point of appearing sleepy) suddenly got furious and cursed all over the place when confronted with LeBell's statement.
Usually those kind of reactions show that a story is true.
... and Spiderman is way stronger than Batman !
Spiderman is obviously way stronger than Batman. Spiderman actually has superpowers due to mutant-spiderbite while Batman is just your average neighbourhood snob with an assortment of gimmicks that make him a capable fighter.
seattledirk wrote:
For the folks who don't know the story:
"Judo" Gene allegedly choked out Segal in a little tussle they had on a movie set. Segal allegedly soiled himself while going unconscious.
Both Gene LeBell and Segal were on an MMA radio show on Sherdog.com on separate occasions. Gene didn't want to go into detail but basically confirmed the story. A week later Segal (usually calm to the point of appearing sleepy) suddenly got furious and cursed all over the place when confronted with LeBell's statement.
Usually those kind of reactions show that a story is true.
... and Spiderman is way stronger than Batman !
Spiderman is obviously way stronger than Batman. Spiderman actually has superpowers due to mutant-spiderbite while Batman is just your average neighbourhood snob with an assortment of gimmicks that make him a capable fighter.
JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:If you all remember how lame many of the fighters in the first few UFC tournaments were, there's no doubt Bruce Lee would have dominated if the UFC existed 40+ years ago. It would have been against primitive competition, so Bruce would have excelled...
If you take Dan Severn from UFC 4 and put him in an MMA fight with a peak Bruce Lee then there is no doubt in my mind that Bruce gets ragdolled. What is Lee going to do with a 260 lbs wrestler of Severn's calibre?
I don't want to denigrate Lee but, put it this way, in 1968 Bruce Lee turned twenty-eight. On the day Lee turned twenty-eight Danny Hodge was thirty-six years old. If you told me that I had to pick a fight with one of them I would pick Lee every single time. In a heart beat.
Put it this way, Danny Hodge is in his 80s and can still crush apples one handed. He did it last year at the Oklahoma House of Representatives. Can imagine what he was like at twenty-five?
A video of him in 2010 doing the apple trick. He would have been 77 or 78 at the time of this video.
I would assume the dude is doing a research, sort of coming up with some crazy idea and watching how the guys would respond and having his fun... "B"novelist , "B" short for Bullshit I guess
Of course he does. I like Rourke, don't get me wrong, but I have seen many fights of his on film and in documentaries on his life--- some of which were blatantly fixed and never made it to his "official record". Most ended the same way, with a body slap, or a punch to someone's gloves.
Of course he does. I like Rourke, don't get me wrong, but I have seen many fights of his on film and in documentaries on his life--- some of which were blatantly fixed and never made it to his "official record". Most ended the same way, with a body slap, or a punch to someone's gloves.
I know all of that. But still: does he know??
Martial arts masters sometimes think they got superhuman powers because they only surround themselves with followers/students. After years of manhandling those lil' f*ckers they start believing that sh*t. They feel invincible until they run into real resistence, like this IKEA master or whatever his martial art is called: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
And then the fun starts for everyone but this disillusioned person.
... and Spiderman is way stronger than Batman ![/quote]
Spiderman is obviously way stronger than Batman. Spiderman actually has superpowers due to mutant-spiderbite while Batman is just your average neighbourhood snob with an assortment of gimmicks that make him a capable fighter.[/quote]
Rexob wrote:... and Spiderman is way stronger than Batman !
Seattledirk wrote:Spiderman is obviously way stronger than Batman. Spiderman actually has superpowers due to mutant-spiderbite while Batman is just your average neighbourhood snob with an assortment of gimmicks that make him a capable fighter.
One word Superman!
One word: Cryptonite!
Spiderman just needs some of that green sh*t and Superman's toast.
seattledirk wrote:
I know all of that. But still: does he know??
Martial arts masters sometimes think they got superhuman powers because they only surround themselves with followers/students. After years of manhandling those lil' f*ckers they start believing that sh*t. They feel invincible until they run into real resistence, like this IKEA master or whatever his martial art is called: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
And then the fun starts for everyone but this disillusioned person.
seattledirk wrote:
I know all of that. But still: does he know??
Martial arts masters sometimes think they got superhuman powers because they only surround themselves with followers/students. After years of manhandling those lil' f*ckers they start believing that sh*t. They feel invincible until they run into real resistence, like this IKEA master or whatever his martial art is called: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
And then the fun starts for everyone but this disillusioned person.
Course he knows.
If I were a 62 year-old faded Hollywood actor who looks like the love child of Anthony Kiedis and the new Rene Zellwegger, who by now is only cheered for in Russia and who desperately wanted to be a fighter all his life... I would choose to believe.
I'm more of a science guy and don't have the feintest idea why people believe in gods. When I turn 62 though, I will become religious. Why? Because science's explanation of what happens next is not too comforting. What do I have to lose by turning religious then? It'll comfort me for the remainder of my life and should it turn out to be bogus, oh well, then I'll hit the ending that science always promised me. Nothing to lose, so I'll convince myself that religion works.
Mickey Rourke can either:
a) fade into obscurity and become depressed
b) do the Gerard Depardieu move and have a wonderful retirement as Putin's little toy work some fixed fights or...
c) do something completely novel, move to Russia, have a wonderful retirement being bff with Putin and finally realizing his life-long dream of becoming a boxing champion. A champ that defies all odds and is worshipped by 170 mio. Russians.
I'd go for option c), all it takes is a wee bit of dementia and enough vodka to actually believe it.
Mind you, as I said before, I do like Mickey.... when he boxed professionally the last time (some 15 years ago) some of those contests were legit... nobody he faced was any good by any means... but the state of his face, shows that it wasn't all just fun and games and dives... and I think he knows deep down, that in his 40's he suffered alot of damage, and mainly because he simply wasn't a good boxer. He's a tough guy, yes, that should never come into question--- the man suffered some brain trauma due to boxing, and had to have cosmetic surgery to repair the damage.
How he got "licensed" remains a big question. Mind you, Rourke caused enough interest in his "comeback" in his 40's that he was two-three fights away from a WBO Cruiserweight title shot--- but he failed his neurological exams. The question in my mind, because he took so much damage the first time, how the hell in a matter of 15 years did the brain trauma reverse itself--- because when the brain's surface neurons are damaged, it is (by and large) irreversable.
Then again, this is Russia. This isn't America, and you may as well chalk it up as being in the same league as Mexico and Peurto Rico where they let anyone off the street get into the ring for a few dollars. Only in Russia could he "pass" an exam, if he indeed took one. Only in Russia could he be "licensed", if indeed he was licensed in the same way other boxers are. Mind you, anyone can apply for a Federal ID card--- but that don't make you a "pro" by any means.
As for what's next for Mickey... He will probably never "fight" again... Why? Too much criticism, and he will pretend that this didn't happen, and maybe in a few years it will become a distant memory to most and they will recall his "comeback" in his 40's and say "Hey didnt he come back when he was 60?" and in the next breath say "Yeah, Rourke's a badass." He'll make a few more movies--- hell he'll even cause some controversy down the line, talking up the merits of Putin and Russia, just like Steven Segal has done in the past--- but he'll make his money being himself.
Personally, I'd like to see him do it one more time, and "for keeps" against someone--- anyone. Hell, I'm almost 30, ain't boxed in 4 years, I'd get in the ring with Rourke. That's something I'd take a stab at--- but only if it was in neutral territory--- I'm not so sure I'd do it in Russia, as volatile the politics are over there. Maybe if the money was right and could be wired directly to my family once I touched down. But anyways---- I ain't saying it's impossible for a man of 60 to accomplish such things, cus in the past there were men like Jem Mace who competed until he was 67 and was still a worldwide respected name and fighter.
Of course he does. I like Rourke, don't get me wrong, but I have seen many fights of his on film and in documentaries on his life--- some of which were blatantly fixed and never made it to his "official record". Most ended the same way, with a body slap, or a punch to someone's gloves.
The fight wasn't necessarily fixed. My brother hit me with a body shot like that and I couldn't get up. The difference is I choose to hit punching bags instead of being a 1-11 boxer.
I like that last left hook which misses altogether; mickey has his right hand behind his back - I don't think I've seen it thrown like that before but hope it catches on.
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