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[m1kee50]

Thanks mate

[JCS]

Martin,

Have you ever given any thought to giving back some or all of the quality performance penalty, should a boxer comeback within a reasonable amount of time and pull off a significant result?

I ask in respect to Fury/Chisora... Fury proved that his prior rating was more accurate than his penalized one.

[computerrank]

Martin,

Have you ever given any thought to giving back some or all of the quality performance penalty, should a boxer comeback within a reasonable amount of time and pull off a significant result?

I ask in respect to Fury/Chisora... Fury proved that his prior rating was more accurate than his penalized one.

Fully revised Fury would have 690 points - and would be #2.

I will look into this ... nice idea

[JCS]

Martin,

Have you ever given any thought to giving back some or all of the quality performance penalty, should a boxer comeback within a reasonable amount of time and pull off a significant result?

I ask in respect to Fury/Chisora... Fury proved that his prior rating was more accurate than his penalized one.

Fully revised Fury would have 690 points - and would be #2.

I will look into this ... nice idea

We are always assuming with these types of penalties so it only seems fair to correct when the boxer proves us wrong.

[JCS]

If you implement this, would be curious to hear the math/logic on when/how to apply.

[computerrank]

If you implement this, would be curious to hear the math/logic on when/how to apply.

$cd = clear decision; 1 for TKO, KO, clear UD; 0.5 for half points needed; 0 for draw

winner:
$r_a = rating before bout
$t_a = rating uncorrected for inactivity or missing opponent quality before the bout

loser:
$r_b= rating before bout
$t_b = rating uncorrected for inactivity or missing opponent quality before the bout

$r_a=max($r_b/4,$r_a+(max($r_a,min($t_a,$r_b))-$r_a)*$cd);

if ($cd<1) {$r_b=max($r_a/4,$r_b+(max($r_b,min($t_b,$r_a))-$r_b)*(1-$cd));}

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M Heavyweight          1364 1104   42 Wladimir Klitschko
M Heavyweight           662  199   40 Alexander Povetkin
M Heavyweight           603  125   37 Tyson Fury
M Heavyweight           603  100   34 Bermane Stiverne
M Heavyweight           596  199   36 Kubrat Pulev
M Heavyweight           542   92   37 Vyacheslav Glazkov
M Heavyweight           394  100   33 Odlanier Solis
M Heavyweight           374   57   23 Christian Hammer
M Heavyweight           372   56   34 Bryant Jennings
M Heavyweight           371  138   28 Steve Cunningham
M Cruiserweight         582  134   29 Marco Huck
M Cruiserweight         574   91   37 Grigory Drozd
M Cruiserweight         536  187   31 Yoan Pablo Hernandez
M Cruiserweight         523   81   34 Thabiso Mchunu
M Cruiserweight         400  113   33 Denis Lebedev
M Cruiserweight         364   54   28 Rakhim Chakhkiev
M Cruiserweight         352   58   20 Ovill McKenzie
M Cruiserweight         343   79   26 Ola Afolabi
M Cruiserweight         335   92   28 Tony Bellew
M Cruiserweight         324   90   34 Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
M Light Heavyweight     992  191   40 Adonis Stevenson
M Light Heavyweight     885  140   40 Sergey Kovalev
M Light Heavyweight     622  267   39 Jean Pascal
M Light Heavyweight     478   94   24 Juergen Braehmer
M Light Heavyweight     425   66   25 Eleider Alvarez
M Light Heavyweight     422 1462   35 Bernard Hopkins
M Light Heavyweight     380   72   33 Edwin Rodriguez
M Light Heavyweight     368   87   28 Thomas Oosthuizen
M Light Heavyweight     357   59   22 Nadjib Mohammedi
M Light Heavyweight     353  272   33 Lucian Bute
M Super Middleweight   1099  344   38 Carl Froch
M Super Middleweight    551  139   37 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
M Super Middleweight    489  237   28 Arthur Abraham
M Super Middleweight    452  139   27 Robert Stieglitz
M Super Middleweight    442   72   25 James DeGale
M Super Middleweight    441  241   33 Felix Sturm
M Super Middleweight    376   69   22 George Groves
M Super Middleweight    371   57   25 Anthony Dirrell
M Super Middleweight    278   40   19 Callum Smith
M Super Middleweight    267  185   34 Andre Dirrell
M Middleweight         1103  193   32 Gennady Golovkin
M Middleweight          837  418   40 Miguel Cotto
M Middleweight          691  137   40 Peter Quillin
M Middleweight          555  573   38 Sergio Gabriel Martinez
M Middleweight          547  494   37 Jermain Taylor
M Middleweight          450   75   20 Martin Murray
M Middleweight          446  150   34 Sam Soliman
M Middleweight          441  174   30 Daniel Geale
M Middleweight          420   63   28 Jorge Sebastian Heiland
M Middleweight          411   63   19 Matt Korobov
M Light Middleweight   1140  332   38 Saul Alvarez
M Light Middleweight    723  130   36 Erislandy Lara
M Light Middleweight    651  160   34 Cornelius Bundrage
M Light Middleweight    516   80   31 Demetrius Andrade
M Light Middleweight    483   98   32 Ishe Smith
M Light Middleweight    422   63   26 Jermell Charlo
M Light Middleweight    419   82   27 Vanes Martirosyan
M Light Middleweight    405  123   30 Carlos Molina
M Light Middleweight    386  155   31 Austin Trout
M Light Middleweight    363  130   34 Joshua Clottey
M Welterweight         2058 1532   40 Floyd Mayweather Jr
M Welterweight         1353 1174   40 Manny Pacquiao
M Welterweight         1230 1257   33 Juan Manuel Marquez
M Welterweight          854  522   35 Timothy Bradley
M Welterweight          854  157   31 Kell Brook
M Welterweight          813  191   29 Marcos Rene Maidana
M Welterweight          684  112   31 Keith Thurman
M Welterweight          665  126   27 Shawn Porter
M Welterweight          662  178   31 Devon Alexander
M Welterweight          486  330   33 Robert Guerrero
M Light Welterweight    862  216   28 Danny Garcia
M Light Welterweight    785  169   27 Lucas Martin Matthysse
M Light Welterweight    554   89   25 Jessie Vargas
M Light Welterweight    553  152   26 Lamont Peterson
M Light Welterweight    517   79   23 Viktor Postol
M Light Welterweight    493  243   25 Adrien Broner
M Light Welterweight    437  114   19 Ruslan Provodnikov
M Light Welterweight    407   63   21 Chris Algieri
M Light Welterweight    378   57   25 Mauricio Herrera
M Light Welterweight    340   50   14 Keita Obara
M Lightweight           808  122   25 Terence Crawford
M Lightweight           454   66   22 Mickey Bey
M Lightweight           427   77   19 Denis Shafikov
M Lightweight           419  173   16 Miguel Vazquez
M Lightweight           400   64   23 Omar Figueroa
M Lightweight           344  158   18 Raymundo Beltran
M Lightweight           326   74   15 Kevin Mitchell
M Lightweight           306   50   22 Petr Petrov
M Lightweight           302   48   19 Dejan Zlaticanin
M Lightweight           300  116   19 Richar Abril
M Super Featherweight   723  265   25 Mikey Garcia
M Super Featherweight   633  195   20 Takashi Uchiyama
M Super Featherweight   516  102   18 Takashi Miura
M Super Featherweight   466   66   17 Adrian Estrella
M Super Featherweight   381   56   20 Rances Barthelemy
M Super Featherweight   376   64   19 Javier Fortuna
M Super Featherweight   374  315   22 Orlando Salido
M Super Featherweight   371   53   22 Francisco Vargas
M Super Featherweight   364   63   19 Miguel Roman
M Super Featherweight   346   50   19 Jose Pedraza
M Featherweight         665  283   25 Jhonny Gonzalez
M Featherweight         642   99   28 Nicholas Walters
M Featherweight         461  384   20 Abner Mares
M Featherweight         441  529   22 Nonito Donaire
M Featherweight         422   94   24 Simpiwe Vetyeka
M Featherweight         347   52   16 Jesus Marcelo Andres Cuellar
M Featherweight         340   52   13 Thabo Sonjica
M Featherweight         335   69   16 Evgeny Gradovich
M Featherweight         327   51   12 Lee Selby
M Featherweight         307  218   19 Rocky Juarez
M Super Bantamweight    565   88   16 Carl Frampton
M Super Bantamweight    542  106   20 Leo Santa Cruz
M Super Bantamweight    508  215   22 Guillermo Rigondeaux
M Super Bantamweight    410   65   16 Scott Quigg
M Super Bantamweight    405   67   15 Chris Avalos
M Super Bantamweight    296   80   15 Kiko Martinez
M Super Bantamweight    278   52   16 Shingo Wake
M Super Bantamweight    220   33    9 Andres Gutierrez
M Super Bantamweight    214   65   13 Yukinori Oguni
M Super Bantamweight    197   39   11 Takafumi Nakajima
M Bantamweight          428  257   19 Shinsuke Yamanaka
M Bantamweight          312   61   12 Tomoki Kameda
M Bantamweight          274   61   19 Liborio Solis
M Bantamweight          270   48   13 Rodrigo Guerrero
M Bantamweight          263   54   13 Ryosuke Iwasa
M Bantamweight          234   41   10 Alejandro Hernandez
M Bantamweight          216   32   11 Randy Caballero
M Bantamweight          206  109   12 Malcolm Tunacao
M Bantamweight          193   42   14 Jamie McDonnell
M Bantamweight          189   38   10 Ryo Akaho
M Super Flyweight       370  197   16 Omar Andres Narvaez
M Super Flyweight       365   67   16 Carlos Cuadras
M Super Flyweight       344   70   16 Zolani Tete
M Super Flyweight       318   87   15 Kohei Kono
M Super Flyweight       281   67   13 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
M Super Flyweight       232  142   13 Daiki Kameda
M Super Flyweight       217   41    7 Felipe Orucuta
M Super Flyweight       207   89    9 Luis Concepcion
M Super Flyweight       199   35   10 David Sanchez
M Super Flyweight       193   41   13 Rey Megrino
M Flyweight             520  160   22 Roman Gonzalez
M Flyweight             519  178   14 Juan Francisco Estrada
M Flyweight             285   70   12 Juan Carlos Reveco
M Flyweight             282  157   17 Akira Yaegashi
M Flyweight             248  256   11 Brian Viloria
M Flyweight             229  115   12 Giovani Segura
M Flyweight             223   93   13 Edgar Sosa
M Flyweight             210   55   10 John Riel Casimero
M Flyweight             200   38   13 Suguru Muranaka
M Flyweight             199   33   14 Amnat Ruenroeng
M Light Flyweight       345   53   13 Naoya Inoue
M Light Flyweight       263   58   12 Donnie Nietes
M Light Flyweight       233   47   10 Pedro Guevara
M Light Flyweight       216   37    9 Ganigan Lopez
M Light Flyweight       200   31   10 Rey Loreto
M Light Flyweight       172   66   10 Milan Melindo
M Light Flyweight       127   20    9 Yu Kimura
M Light Flyweight       123   30    9 Paipharob Kokietgym
M Light Flyweight       122   31    9 Ryoichi Taguchi
M Light Flyweight       120   99    8 Nkosinathi Joyi
M Minimumweight         256   46   10 Wanheng Menayothin
M Minimumweight         232   43   10 Francisco Rodriguez Jr
M Minimumweight         229   55   12 Hekkie Budler
M Minimumweight         164   63    8 Katsunari Takayama
M Minimumweight         146   42    8 Denver Cuello
M Minimumweight         132   32    9 Oswaldo Novoa
M Minimumweight         123   18    7 Kosei Tanaka
M Minimumweight         105   14    7 Eduardo Martinez
M Minimumweight         103   31    4 Jesus Silvestre
M Minimumweight          91   29    8 Xiong Zhao Zhong

[JCS]

Hmm... A question and a comment.

How would it be handled if a boxer is not given all of his points back. Is the remainder dropped? Or is it carried over?


Also..

One unfortunate effect is that this would not help someone like Rigondeaux, should he beat his next opponent.

He is at 481 and his opponent will be ~318, which is far higher than the best opponent in the past period. You would think he'd get some of his lost points back?

[computerrank]

Hmm... A question and a comment.

How would it be handled if a boxer is not given all of his points back. Is the remainder dropped? Or is it carried over?


Also..

One unfortunate effect is that this would not help someone like Rigondeaux, should he beat his next opponent.

He is at 481 and his opponent will be ~318, which is far higher than the best opponent in the past period. You would think he'd get some of his lost points back?

I guess, the boxer should have one immediate shot only and he should have restored his pre-bout rating limited by the rating of his opponent, not more - as for Fury

[JCS]

Rigondeaux dropped from 680 to 481... quite severe.

Should he beat an opponent at 318 with cd=1, it seems he should probably be given some of that back?

I think if a penalized boxer is in a position where points are gained by result.. (roughly) they should be given something back.

[computerrank]

Rigondeaux dropped from 680 to 481... quite severe.

Should he beat an opponent at 318 with cd=1, it seems he should probably be given some of that back?

I think if a penalized boxer is in a position where points are gained by result.. (roughly) they should be given something back.

I do not think so.

[JCS]

Rigondeaux dropped from 680 to 481... quite severe.

Should he beat an opponent at 318 with cd=1, it seems he should probably be given some of that back?

I think if a penalized boxer is in a position where points are gained by result.. (roughly) they should be given something back.

I do not think so.

Can you tell me what the ratings would look like with this new fix and changing the poor opposition penalty minimum? Instead of 50% being the minimum, what if it were 33.3%?

[computerrank]

Rigondeaux dropped from 680 to 481... quite severe.

Should he beat an opponent at 318 with cd=1, it seems he should probably be given some of that back?

I think if a penalized boxer is in a position where points are gained by result.. (roughly) they should be given something back.

I do not think so.

Can you tell me what the ratings would look like with this new fix and changing the poor opposition penalty minimum? Instead of 50% being the minimum, what if it were 33.3%?

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M Welterweight         2439 1624   40 Floyd Mayweather Jr
M Welterweight         1514 1360   40 Manny Pacquiao
M Welterweight         1415 1290   33 Juan Manuel Marquez
M Welterweight          978  544   34 Timothy Bradley
M Welterweight          924  197   29 Marcos Rene Maidana
M Welterweight          904  163   31 Kell Brook
M Welterweight          704  114   31 Keith Thurman
M Welterweight          683  176   31 Devon Alexander
M Welterweight          681  127   27 Shawn Porter
M Welterweight          624  372   33 Robert Guerrero
M Welterweight          489  202   23 Amir Khan
M Super Middleweight   1347  369   38 Carl Froch
M Super Middleweight    592  141   35 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
M Super Middleweight    513  268   28 Arthur Abraham
M Super Middleweight    484  145   27 Robert Stieglitz
M Super Middleweight    478   77   25 James DeGale
M Super Middleweight    477  259   33 Felix Sturm
M Super Middleweight    422   73   22 George Groves
M Super Middleweight    379   59   25 Anthony Dirrell
M Super Middleweight    291   50   19 Gilberto Ramirez Sanchez
M Super Middleweight    288   41   19 Callum Smith
M Super Flyweight       385  222   16 Omar Andres Narvaez
M Super Flyweight       364   67   16 Carlos Cuadras
M Super Flyweight       348   71   16 Zolani Tete
M Super Flyweight       318   84   15 Kohei Kono
M Super Flyweight       308   53   13 Naoya Inoue
M Super Flyweight       247   53   13 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai
M Super Flyweight       226   42    7 Felipe Orucuta
M Super Flyweight       217   36   10 David Sanchez
M Super Flyweight       211   42   13 Rey Megrino
M Super Flyweight       202   88    9 Luis Concepcion
M Super Flyweight       193   30   11 Sho Ishida
M Super Featherweight   798  272   25 Mikey Garcia
M Super Featherweight   709  213   20 Takashi Uchiyama
M Super Featherweight   522  104   18 Takashi Miura
M Super Featherweight   476   68   17 Adrian Estrella
M Super Featherweight   432  241   22 Orlando Salido
M Super Featherweight   395   57   22 Francisco Vargas
M Super Featherweight   393   58   17 Rances Barthelemy
M Super Featherweight   379   64   17 Javier Fortuna
M Super Featherweight   371   64   19 Miguel Roman
M Super Featherweight   368   80   16 Robinson Castellanos
M Super Featherweight   364   52   16 Jose Pedraza
M Super Bantamweight    641  225   22 Guillermo Rigondeaux
M Super Bantamweight    605   93   16 Carl Frampton
M Super Bantamweight    570  110   20 Leo Santa Cruz
M Super Bantamweight    421   68   16 Scott Quigg
M Super Bantamweight    416   68   15 Chris Avalos
M Super Bantamweight    319   52   16 Shingo Wake
M Super Bantamweight    316   84   15 Kiko Martinez
M Super Bantamweight    240   67   14 Yukinori Oguni
M Super Bantamweight    225   47   15 Hugo Ruiz
M Super Bantamweight    225   35    9 Andres Gutierrez
M Minimumweight         260   47   10 Wanheng Menayothin
M Minimumweight         234   54   12 Hekkie Budler
M Minimumweight         165   60    8 Katsunari Takayama
M Minimumweight         145   43    8 Denver Cuello
M Minimumweight         132   32    9 Oswaldo Novoa
M Minimumweight         124   18    7 Kosei Tanaka
M Minimumweight         100   15    8 Knockout CP Freshmart
M Minimumweight          98   13    7 Eduardo Martinez
M Minimumweight          96   32    4 Jesus Silvestre
M Minimumweight          92   20    6 Carlos Buitrago
M Middleweight         1169  200   32 Gennady Golovkin
M Middleweight         1026  437   40 Miguel Cotto
M Middleweight          819  148   40 Peter Quillin
M Middleweight          732  601   38 Sergio Gabriel Martinez
M Middleweight          581  521   37 Jermain Taylor
M Middleweight          502  195   30 Daniel Geale
M Middleweight          498  159   34 Sam Soliman
M Middleweight          489   80   20 Martin Murray
M Middleweight          445  103   30 Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam
M Middleweight          433   66   19 Matt Korobov
M Lightweight           874  131   25 Terence Crawford
M Lightweight           481   71   22 Mickey Bey
M Lightweight           450   82   19 Denis Shafikov
M Lightweight           444  172   16 Miguel Vazquez
M Lightweight           409   66   22 Omar Figueroa
M Lightweight           364  279   22 Yuriorkis Gamboa
M Lightweight           355  124   18 Raymundo Beltran
M Lightweight           353   77   15 Kevin Mitchell
M Lightweight           331  117   19 Richar Abril
M Lightweight           320   51   19 Dejan Zlaticanin
M Light Welterweight    887  217   28 Danny Garcia
M Light Welterweight    813  173   27 Lucas Martin Matthysse
M Light Welterweight    612   96   25 Jessie Vargas
M Light Welterweight    572  155   26 Lamont Peterson
M Light Welterweight    523   79   22 Viktor Postol
M Light Welterweight    505  258   24 Adrien Broner
M Light Welterweight    443  111   19 Ruslan Provodnikov
M Light Welterweight    432   64   21 Chris Algieri
M Light Welterweight    382   58   22 Mauricio Herrera
M Light Welterweight    359  168   21 Humberto Soto
M Light Middleweight   1264  346   38 Saul Alvarez
M Light Middleweight    785  137   36 Erislandy Lara
M Light Middleweight    680  156   34 Cornelius Bundrage
M Light Middleweight    544   84   31 Demetrius Andrade
M Light Middleweight    488   95   32 Ishe Smith
M Light Middleweight    466   90   25 Vanes Martirosyan
M Light Middleweight    443   66   26 Jermell Charlo
M Light Middleweight    415  120   30 Carlos Molina
M Light Middleweight    382  141   34 Joshua Clottey
M Light Middleweight    320   81   31 Andy Lee
M Light Heavyweight    1126  209   40 Adonis Stevenson
M Light Heavyweight    1039  166   40 Sergey Kovalev
M Light Heavyweight     775  307   39 Jean Pascal
M Light Heavyweight     544 1533   35 Bernard Hopkins
M Light Heavyweight     504   96   24 Juergen Braehmer
M Light Heavyweight     469   72   25 Eleider Alvarez
M Light Heavyweight     444  302   33 Lucian Bute
M Light Heavyweight     398   93   28 Thomas Oosthuizen
M Light Heavyweight     388   64   22 Nadjib Mohammedi
M Light Heavyweight     375   72   27 Andrzej Fonfara
M Light Flyweight       310  156   17 Akira Yaegashi
M Light Flyweight       269   59   12 Donnie Nietes
M Light Flyweight       232   47   10 Pedro Guevara
M Light Flyweight       216   44   10 Francisco Rodriguez Jr
M Light Flyweight       216   37    9 Ganigan Lopez
M Light Flyweight       206   32   10 Rey Loreto
M Light Flyweight       181   67   10 Milan Melindo
M Light Flyweight       148   28    9 Paipharob Kokietgym
M Light Flyweight       127   20    7 Ali Raymi
M Light Flyweight       126   20    9 Yu Kimura
M Heavyweight          2172 1154   42 Wladimir Klitschko
M Heavyweight           842  217   40 Alexander Povetkin
M Heavyweight           742  217   36 Kubrat Pulev
M Heavyweight           610   98   34 Bermane Stiverne
M Heavyweight           599  131   37 Tyson Fury
M Heavyweight           559   96   37 Vyacheslav Glazkov
M Heavyweight           469  101   33 Odlanier Solis
M Heavyweight           433  676   37 Antonio Tarver
M Heavyweight           428   64   34 Bryant Jennings
M Heavyweight           424   67   37 Deontay Wilder
M Flyweight             546  155   22 Roman Gonzalez
M Flyweight             531  180   14 Juan Francisco Estrada
M Flyweight             297   74   12 Juan Carlos Reveco
M Flyweight             285  247   11 Brian Viloria
M Flyweight             231  121   12 Giovani Segura
M Flyweight             225   99   13 Edgar Sosa
M Flyweight             210   37   14 Amnat Ruenroeng
M Flyweight             206   39   13 Suguru Muranaka
M Flyweight             190  146   12 Moruti Mthalane
M Flyweight             190   32   11 Yodmongkol Vor Saengthep
M Flyweight             182   70   11 Adrian Hernandez
M Featherweight         698  282   25 Jhonny Gonzalez
M Featherweight         676  103   28 Nicholas Walters
M Featherweight         486  106   24 Simpiwe Vetyeka
M Featherweight         483  567   22 Nonito Donaire
M Featherweight         477  385   20 Abner Mares
M Featherweight         357   53   16 Jesus Marcelo Andres Cuellar
M Featherweight         346   52   13 Thabo Sonjica
M Featherweight         339  242   19 Rocky Juarez
M Featherweight         339   53   12 Lee Selby
M Featherweight         329   69   16 Evgeny Gradovich
M Cruiserweight         651  142   27 Marco Huck
M Cruiserweight         636  186   31 Yoan Pablo Hernandez
M Cruiserweight         606   95   37 Grigory Drozd
M Cruiserweight         558   86   34 Thabiso Mchunu
M Cruiserweight         445  118   33 Denis Lebedev
M Cruiserweight         380   56   28 Rakhim Chakhkiev
M Cruiserweight         367  101   34 Krzysztof Wlodarczyk
M Cruiserweight         366   60   20 Ovill McKenzie
M Cruiserweight         355   97   28 Tony Bellew
M Cruiserweight         343   88   23 Ola Afolabi
M Bantamweight          520  252   19 Shinsuke Yamanaka
M Bantamweight          326   68   12 Tomoki Kameda
M Bantamweight          275   61   19 Liborio Solis
M Bantamweight          274   48   13 Rodrigo Guerrero
M Bantamweight          270   55   13 Ryosuke Iwasa
M Bantamweight          235   43   14 Jamie McDonnell
M Bantamweight          235   41   10 Alejandro Hernandez
M Bantamweight          225   33   11 Randy Caballero
M Bantamweight          210   99   12 Malcolm Tunacao
M Bantamweight          207   39   10 Ryo Akaho

[JCS]

Those actually look pretty good.

I saw Tarver and said WTF -- Not realizing he fought last night!!

[computerrank]

Those actually look pretty good.

I saw Tarver and said WTF -- Not realizing he fought last night!!

I prefer the old ones.

Glazov, Huck, Hernandez, Rigandeux are too high here - for not fighting opposition for 18 months.

[JCS]

Those actually look pretty good.

I saw Tarver and said WTF -- Not realizing he fought last night!!

I prefer the old ones.

Glazov, Huck, Hernandez, Rigandeux are too high here - for not fighting opposition for 18 months.

Realistically, Rigondeaux shouldn't be lower than #1. I just can't rationalize this. This is a good marker in my opinion.

[computerrank]

Those actually look pretty good.

I saw Tarver and said WTF -- Not realizing he fought last night!!

I prefer the old ones.

Glazov, Huck, Hernandez, Rigandeux are too high here - for not fighting opposition for 18 months.

Realistically, Rigondeaux shouldn't be lower than #1. I just can't rationalize this. This is a good marker in my opinion.

Rigondeaux should meet opposition. The ratings go for recent achievements, not for skill or former success.

[jujigatame]

I think that last ranking set is very good. Rigondeaux has fought weak opposition since Donaire but the penalty is too large and too sudden. The problem is compounded because Agbeko looks like he got hit with a steep penalty a few months before fighting Rigondeaux as well.

For inactivity and poor opposition I think the penalties should be spread out slowly over time. The sudden hit makes the rankings look somewhat incoherent and lacking in continuity.

[computerrank]

A boxer cannot get more than 200 points per year in the all-time-ratings.

So Mayweather would be in lead anyway, if they would retire this year both.

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+------+---------------+------------+------------+
| n    | last_name     | first_name | all_time_r |
+------+---------------+------------+------------+
|    1 | Moore         | Archie     |       2535 |
|    2 | Robinson      | Sugar Ray  |       2408 |
|    3 | Ali           | Muhammad   |       2001 |
|    4 | Louis         | Joe        |       1943 |
|    5 | Charles       | Ezzard     |       1659 |
|    6 | Greb          | Harry      |       1644 |
|    7 | Monzon        | Carlos     |       1626 |
|    8 | Canzoneri     | Tony       |       1625 |
|    9 | Tiger         | Dick       |       1603 |
|   10 | Langford      | Sam        |       1585 |
|   11 | Ortiz         | Carlos     |       1577 |
|   12 | Mayweather Jr | Floyd      |       1559 |
|   13 | Armstrong     | Henry      |       1545 |
|   14 | McLarnin      | Jimmy      |       1526 |
|   15 | Corbett III   | Young      |       1518 |
|   16 | Bivins        | Jimmy      |       1518 |
|   17 | Griffith      | Emile      |       1492 |
|   18 | Marciano      | Rocky      |       1448 |
|   19 | Leonard       | Benny      |       1448 |
|   20 | Hopkins       | Bernard    |       1432 |
|   21 | Napoles       | Jose       |       1415 |
|   22 | Patterson     | Floyd      |       1396 |
|   23 | Walker        | Mickey     |       1366 |
|   24 | Loughran      | Tommy      |       1330 |
|   25 | Britton       | Jack       |       1321 |
|   26 | Pacquiao      | Manny      |       1314 |
|   27 | Hagler        | Marvin     |       1310 |
|   28 | Wills         | Harry      |       1308 |
|   29 | Conn          | Billy      |       1305 |
|   30 | Pep           | Willie     |       1296 |
+------+---------------+------------+------------+

[jujigatame]

I just looked at Eric Molina's BoxRec page because of his matchup with Wilder, and I am confused as to how a TKO win over an extremely old Davarryl Williamson (who has very few points left) made him go from 136 to 185. That seems like way too big a jump for a nearly worthless win.

[crusader]

He also gained 20 fewer points for stopping Rafael Love, who had over twice as many points as Williamson did. Molina's ranking was lower when he faced Love than when he faced Williamson, so it's not as if he gained fewer points for beating Love due to some type of poor opposition factor.

Is the discrepancy here due to the slightly later stoppage of the Love fight?

[JCS]

Probably related to the launch mechanism.

[computerrank]

BoxRec Ratings release 21 was launched.

There was a correction for missing opponent quality.

in some cases, it happened that some boxers didn't loose points, although not having faced appropriate opponent quality. This was corrected now.

[crusader]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but how about a mechanism by which a fighter isn't ranked below someone they recently defeated for a certain period barring, let's say, a loss. Generally hard for me to accept someone being ranked several spots ahead of someone who recently beat them when the victorious fighter hasn't had poor results.

Current and recent examples:

-Gary Russell is 5 spots ahead of Loma even though 2 fights ago he clearly lost to him and Loma has easily won since.

-Manuel Charr is 15 spots ahead of Johann Duhaupas even though Duhaupas won their fight a few months ago and hasn't fought since while all Charr has is a win over Leapai.

-Tony Thompson was ranked behind Solis shortly after beating him even though Solis didn't fight again until their rematch, which Thompson won by stoppage. To me that was very unreasonable considering that Thompson's losses between his wins over Solis were to top opponents like Pulev and Takam, with Solis doing NOTHING while Thompson was fighting that type of opposition.

[squiggy]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but how about a mechanism by which a fighter isn't ranked below someone they recently defeated for a certain period barring, let's say, a loss. Generally hard for me to accept someone being ranked several spots ahead of someone who recently beat them when the victorious fighter hasn't had poor results.

Current and recent examples:

-Gary Russell is 5 spots ahead of Loma even though 2 fights ago he clearly lost to him and Loma has easily won since.

-Manuel Charr is 15 spots ahead of Johann Duhaupas even though Duhaupas won their fight a few months ago and hasn't fought since while all Charr has is a win over Leapai.

-Tony Thompson was ranked behind Solis shortly after beating him even though Solis didn't fight again until their rematch, which Thompson won by stoppage. To me that was very unreasonable considering that Thompson's losses between his wins over Solis were to top opponents like Pulev and Takam, with Solis doing NOTHING while Thompson was fighting that type of opposition.

That stuff doesn't happen for no reason, though. Russell passed Loma by stopping Jhonny Gonzalez, who had stopped Abner Mares. Loma was spending that time fighting nobodies and gaining no points by the wins.

[crusader]

Obviously it doesn't happen for no reason, but I still don't see how that justifies the current disparities given the head to head result, which to me holds more weight than Russell's lone win since being better than Loma's wins over either of his last two opponents. Their fight wasn't too long ago and it was very clear cut, not to mention that I'd rank that win for Loma higher than Russell's win over Gonzo given that in Russell's next fight he showed himself to be superior to JG (yet he gets significantly more credit for beating Gonzalez than Loma does for beating him). I also don't see how Charr's win over Leapai justifies him being so many places ahead of a guy who beat him about two months ago.

Then you have a case like Solis-Thompson in which Solis actually did NOTHING yet managed to get ranked ahead of Thompson. In this case Thompson was wrongfully punished for fighting good opposition while Solis was rewarded for doing eff all.

The Independent World Boxing Rankings account for these types of situations much better in my opinion.