Should Thabiso Mchunu Really be ranked #2 at Cruiserweight ?

[drunkenpiper36]

Looks like boxrec has him at #2. Frankly I'm surprised he's ranked over Huck and a few others.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Dont be surprised, the boxrec ratings are a joke. This is just one example, a guy thats never fought a top tenner

[drunkenpiper36]

Dont be surprised, the boxrec ratings are a joke. This is just one example, a guy thats never fought a top tenner

I don't know that much about the current cruiserweight picture, but I would have thought that Marco Huck was the best at the moment.

[JCS]

The quality opposition penalty is probably a bit too strong. It dumped Huck today from #1 to #4. It also kicked Afolabi in the nuts.

To say the ratings are a joke is a completely foolish statement, though.

[Lackeos]

Huck got that poor opposition penalty. Partially his own fault, so don't cry for him. Fact is, Huck's rating is only 27 points below the current #1 CW, so there's no need to blow this #4 ranking out of proportion. It's not like his rating is 200 points less than the #1. Also, we don't know what order the CW top 4 should be in, but Mchunu definitely deserves to be in the picture. Anyone who saw him fight Chambers and can't clearly see that he has serious skills and speed does not have an eye for boxing.

[crusader]

I think he should at least be below Huck, Drozd, Lebedev, and Hernandez.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

[JCS]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be less harsh once. Am trying again.

[JCS]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be made less harsh once. Am trying again.

[ikorolev]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be less harsh once. Am trying again.

In the last 18 months, he had only two fights, Arslan and Larghetti, both of whom had boxrec scores below 50% of his score. If he beats a top 10 cruiser, he will be #1 again.

[Freedom2013]

It makes sense because Huck hasn't fought a decent opponent in quite awhile.

The lack of good matchups at cruiserweight makes the rankings difficult to determine. I think a few beltholders like Hernandez and Huck are avoiding the better fighters like Mchunu, Makabu, Kudryashov and others.

Hopefully we'll see a shakeup from mediocre, protected champions to better titleholders like Usyk who will take on all comers.

[Lackeos]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be made less harsh once. Am trying again.

He only lost 57 points. It's not like he got hammered by it. There's not much less harsh that it can be before it just doesn't even exist at all.

Having said that, Wlad sadly gets hammered by the penalty over and over and over. Dude has already cumulatively lost 808 points to it. The 50% figure could probably benefit from getting arbitrarily moved down to 45%.

[crusader]

Going by the current rankings every other HW has fewer than half of Wlad's points, so I guess see how the rule would be particularly damaging to his points.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be made less harsh once. Am trying again.

From what I can tell, the rankings have gotten better, but still too many anomalies at top 10 level. Like Chavez #2 at Smw, with one fringe win, coming up from a weaker division, not even proven at middle. These divisional jumps should be penalized more, in either direction

[JCS]

Hucks last 6 fights were Larghetti, Arslan x2, Afolabi x2, Povetkin. Thats massively better than Mchunus Wilson, Durudola, Chambers (unranked at cruiser, clearly not suited for it), Venter, Simba x2. Not even close. So this poor comp penalty does not add up.

Yes, that penalty is harsh and what makes it worse, is that its timing is often horrible.

I've successfully argued it to be made less harsh once. Am trying again.

He only lost 57 points. It's not like he got hammered by it. There's not much less harsh that it can be before it just doesn't even exist at all.

Having said that, Wlad sadly gets hammered by the penalty over and over and over. Dude has already cumulatively lost 808 points to it. The 50% figure could probably benefit from getting arbitrarily moved down to 45%.

I'm not necessarily speaking w/ focus on Huck... just in general.

Let's face it.. the 50%, even though nice and round.. is quite arbitrary itself. Using prediction rate alone to come up with these factors usually creates wild outliers... these things must pass the eye test, bottom line. In many cases.. and not necessarily this one, the 50% seems too strong.

Indeed, it was my recommendation that it scales from 0-50%. In its initial release, it was always 50% or nothing. Seems ridiculous, right?

With respect to moving it down to 45%.. I was thinking closer to 35%... AND/OR, the ability for a fighter to earn much of that penalty back.


If Wlad goes from 1500 points to 800 points due to penalty and the next day, beats someone at 799 points by TKO1 or UD12.. it goes without saying that penalty was too harsh and we now have the evidence to prove it. 1 day in this case, would've made a world of difference. These all or nothing kind of penalties are what irk me the most.