Best losing record

[Ezzard]

The Jamaica Kid lost a lot of fights but about 6 of them were to Kid Norfolk another 6 to Tiger Flowers...

Throw in

Jeff Smith
Maxis Rosenbloom
Jack Delaney

This guy took on everyone.

[HomicideHenry]

I don't quite understand the meaning of "best losing record"....

Does that mean, who had the most losses against the best level of opposition?

Or what does it exactly mean...

[BoxBuzz]

I was also confused at this....but I'm guessing the answer is one of the well known "gate keepers".

Do they have to have an under 50% winning record to qualify for this award? lol That might make for a more difficult search.

[HomicideHenry]

My own thought or understanding (at first) was.... "Whose a well known loser who lost to many good/great talents", or "Whose careers ended with the best losses"... as for the latter thought, my first instinctive opinion (at least of our own era) could be Ricky Hatton as he only lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao (I dont count the 'comeback' loss).

Could argue that historically Joe Louis probably had the best losses: Schmeling, Charles and Marciano.

[BoxBuzz]

My own thought or understanding (at first) was.... "Whose a well known loser who lost to many good/great talents", or "Whose careers ended with the best losses"... as for the latter thought, my first instinctive opinion (at least of our own era) could be Ricky Hatton as he only lost to Mayweather and Pacquiao (I dont count the 'comeback' loss).

Could argue that historically Joe Louis probably had the best losses: Schmeling, Charles and Marciano.

And one of those avenged.

[Broomhall]

I would say Kevin Finnegan might be worth a shout. Lost to most of the top fighters he faced but would always come close including giving Hagler two very tough fights . Cuts were a problem for him, and perhaps a lack of power. But a good solid fighter.

[Sklar]

For those who are unsure, a 'losing record' is one that contains more losses than wins.

[energie]

marion wilson

[HomicideHenry]

For those who are unsure, a 'losing record' is one that contains more losses than wins.

Then the best losing record of all time--- if we are to go by that logic, and the logic that the losses came to the absoloute worlds best of the time--- would probably be "Ironman" Joe Grim. Why him? Because Grim fought virtually every single contender and champion of consequence from welterweight to heavyweight, losing the majority of his matches. How was he able to secure such fights against such great men, despite being a horrible boxer? He was strictly a gimmick--- though barely a middleweight in size, he was impossible to knockout. The challenge was as much as $10,000 to any man who could knock out Grim.

Among those who tried (in vain)... Battling Levinsky, Luther McCarty, Jack Johnson, Jack Blackburn, Dixie Kid, Al Kaufman, Peter Maher, Joe Gans, Bob Fitzsimmons, Joe Walcott, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Hugo Kelly, and even Sam Langford... he even fought exhibition bouts with Tommy Burns and other champions of the HOF caliber. The only HOF type to beat him by kayo was Sam McVea (12 rounds).

In his entire career, only 6 times was he defeated via kayo (3 in the final 3 years of his career, 5 in the final 7 years of his career; Grim began boxing in 1899 and ended his career in 1913, his first kayo loss was in his 4th fight as a pro).

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[Ambling Alp II]

Anyone can fight good fighters and always lose.
Jamaica Kid actually had some good wins. He knocked out Flowers. While Flowers was only a middleweight and he was a light heavyweight, that is still a good result for a fighter with a losing record.
He also won a newspaper decision over Smith and beat John Lester Johnson who was a good light heavyweight.

There is probably somebody with a losing record who better, but so far Jamaica Kid is the best we have come up with.

[orbtastic]

There is some talk that one of those "KO" losses for Grim was a fix, the lights went off as he was picking himself up off the canvas.

I don't really see the point in him, he was literally a circus act - He would run full steam head first into steel doors and pick himself up. It's said he had an abnormally thick skull and a tiny brain to go with it. He was clearly a bit retarded, by all accounts. He also possessed no boxing skill or ability and would be knocked down 10-15 times in some bouts. These days he'd not get beyond a few rounds.

[Matt]

Jimmy Darcy had a pretty impressive losing record. He fought an impressive array of top Middleweight and Light heavyweights of the 1920s.

[Ezzard]

Great shout on Darcy.