Kieth Thurman

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Kieth Thurman

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Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
Let's see a scrub like you get in the ring with him. Thurman showed outstanding boxing skills in his last bout, he fought off the back foot almost the entire fight, he counterpunched, mixed it up and came in at angles, feinted and showed a great jab and very good defense using his legs and moving his head. He rarely got hit at all.

I'm not sure what fighter you've been watching, but then again, we are talking about you (haven't never been in a ring, doesn't even know how to spell ring).
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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I think Thurman's talent is somewhere in the middle of you guys opinions.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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I like him and thought he showed some great technical boxing,despite Bundu being 40,he's still a quality operator

We've seen Thurman blow fighters away,we've seen him sit in the pocket with big hitters like Chaves and Soto Karass and now we've seen him outbox a boxer by every round on most peoples cards,Keith's showing a lot of great attributes that can make him a champion,will he get beat? probably somewhere down the line they all do,their still great fighters

I think some people on here are too afraid to make a prediction about a fighter until after the fact,and instead just call other people nuthuggers or whatever,it doesnt matter if you get it wrong,who gives a eff

I think Thurman can become a champ defo,not just because al the ABC's but because he's shown skills,power,great chin,fighting heart and speed,so far so good

People here claiming Mayweather's the best then disregard any fighter he beats,if his opposition is so bad then surely Floyd must not be proven to be real good no?

Also what i like that Keiths doing is,he's proven he's comfortable on inside and outside but when he's fighting,he fights the guy at THEIR game as opposed to outboxing the puncher or steamrolling the boxer,he's outslugging sluggers and just gave a boxing lesson to a capable technician
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
Have a word with yourself mate. Thurman is nowhere near garbage, stupid comment.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Boxerbeetle wrote:Have a word with yourself mate. Thurman is nowhere near garbage, stupid comment.
You can't tell that to a stupid person, he won't comprehend it anyway.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
Thurman is very talented. Boxes exceptionally well and hits very hard.

Thurman v Bundu was garbage.
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handsofstone wrote:I like him and thought he showed some great technical boxing,despite Bundu being 40,he's still a quality operator

We've seen Thurman blow fighters away,we've seen him sit in the pocket with big hitters like Chaves and Soto Karass and now we've seen him outbox a boxer by every round on most peoples cards,Keith's showing a lot of great attributes that can make him a champion,will he get beat? probably somewhere down the line they all do,their still great fighters

I think some people on here are too afraid to make a prediction about a fighter until after the fact,and instead just call other people nuthuggers or whatever,it doesnt matter if you get it wrong,who gives a eff

I think Thurman can become a champ defo,not just because al the ABC's but because he's shown skills,power,great chin,fighting heart and speed,so far so good

People here claiming Mayweather's the best then disregard any fighter he beats,if his opposition is so bad then surely Floyd must not be proven to be real good no?

Also what i like that Keiths doing is,he's proven he's comfortable on inside and outside but when he's fighting,he fights the guy at THEIR game as opposed to outboxing the puncher or steamrolling the boxer,he's outslugging sluggers and just gave a boxing lesson to a capable technician

Excellent post!!!
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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I think some people overrated his power and hence expected him to bomb out Bundu. When he outclassed him over 12 rounds instead they took that as an indication that he wasn't as good as expected, when in fact I think he showed a good mix of skills, speed, and power, not scoring a KO but still dropping and dominating a tough guy.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.

who was it that fought the other one a couple of months ago.......Brook wasn't it??
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magwitch wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.

who was it that fought the other one a couple of months ago.......Brook wasn't it??
Thurman in my eyes is definitely a top 10 welterweight. If someone in the top 5 or 10 would give him a chance to show what he has we might find out he really is good. He is not only a good puncher, but can box and move, counter-punch, etc. He definitely is not a one trick pony with big power. Thurman is much better than Pacquiao's last two opponents, and better than Bradley imo. I think he also might beat Maidana if they can get that fight done. Bradley and Maidana would be good fights to see what he has. Danny Garcia would be great too.
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His problem is talking the talk with out walking the walk. If you want to claim you're being ducked you sometimes need to do more than just win. Golovkin and Kovalev have both been ducked but have done more than just win.

It's great Thurman can box off the back foot but we ALREADY KNEW he could, he did it against JSK.
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Boxing Prospect wrote:His problem is talking the talk with out walking the walk. If you want to claim you're being ducked you sometimes need to do more than just win. Golovkin and Kovalev have both been ducked but have done more than just win.

It's great Thurman can box off the back foot but we ALREADY KNEW he could, he did it against JSK.
You have a point. We have seen it numerous times, against Zavek, against Chavez. He refused to take any chance whatsoever, against a mediocre puncher. You need to let your hands go, its a pro boxing. But Haymon will take care of him anyway why bother.
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You guys talk like Thurman rarely gets knockouts? You may want to check his record on that. He KO'd the guy Bradley just drew against. (even though I thought Bradley won)

He KO'd the guy that Khan went life and death with, and Porter drew with.

Thurman said it himself - he isn't afraid to lose, so go ahead and beat him if you can. He is trying to walk the walk, but has trouble getting those fights to see what he is (or isn't) capable of.

We all know he can be beat - like Andrade did (a couple of times) in the amateurs.
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Bhundu is very difficult to look good against, Thurman is still learning but he showed he can box to a gameplan for 12 rounds which is very important if he wants to compete at the top level.

I'm sure Haymon will have him in with a knockover job next so he can regain some of the more fickle members of his fan base
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Boxerbeetle wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
Have a word with yourself mate. Thurman is nowhere near garbage, stupid comment.

Fair enough. Thurman is very, very average.
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Bundu beat Frankie Gavin a few months ago mate
magwitch wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.

who was it that fought the other one a couple of months ago.......Brook wasn't it??
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Thurman has shown the gulf between good European level and world class; Bundu is a skilled boxer and in excellent condition, unbeaten at his level and Thurman won as he wanted. Bundu beat Gavin, for me Thurman would be too much for Frankie.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Gazmac81 wrote:Bundu beat Frankie Gavin a few months ago mate
magwitch wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.

who was it that fought the other one a couple of months ago.......Brook wasn't it??
it was Porter I was thinking of mate....Thurman and Porter used to get mentioned in the same sentence quite a lot but I was always getting them mixed up. Brook beat Porter I just couldn't remember! :TU:
I honestly know nothing about Bundu. I think Gavin will always have his hands full against a big-puncher who can box a bit, tbh.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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I'm actually far more impressed with the shutout of Bundu than I would have been by an early knockout. We already knew Thurman could hit, he just proved he can box on the back foot too. Let's see him against some A-grade competition before we judge how good he really is, but so far, I'm impressed.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Ricky_ wrote:
Boxerbeetle wrote:
Ricky_ wrote:Never understood the hype. doesn't hit particularly hard but get's hyped as if he hits as hard as Kovalev or Golovkin.

Boxing skills, sort of awkward, can box a bit on the back foot, prone to ugly stuff/accidental headbutts.

Let's be honest, Thurman is garbage.
Have a word with yourself mate. Thurman is nowhere near garbage, stupid comment.

Fair enough. Thurman is very, very average.
Your criticism is quite harsh. I wasn't sure about him when he first burst on to the scene. But he has proved me, so far, that he is much more than average. Average boxers don't do what he has done against the competition he has. Chavez was beating Rios at the time of the DQ, and gave Bradley trouble. Thurman was the only fighter to destroy Chavez. Thurman is a lot better than you give him credit for.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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jezzamundo wrote:I'm actually far more impressed with the shutout of Bundu than I would have been by an early knockout. We already knew Thurman could hit, he just proved he can box on the back foot too. Let's see him against some A-grade competition before we judge how good he really is, but so far, I'm impressed.
100% agree with you on this. Bundu is a good fighter, and don't let age get in the way of your opinion of him...he is a young 40. I think the main issue for Thurman is that he is making a lot of noise, calling out people, and disrespecting a lot of established fighters. If you are going to do it, then you will have to back it up. He hasn't beaten a top level fighter yet, so he needs to quieten down. His mouth has got him as far as his boxing.

Like others have said, I do think he can be a World champion, but he needs a few more fights under his belt. I can see a lot of welterweights beating him at the moment.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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For his next fight, I'd like to see him in with Porter, Marquez, Maidana, or Bradley. These would be extremely telling match-ups. And if he wants a title shot, these are the types of fights he needs to be taking and winning at this point.
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Re: Kieth Thurman

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Watched a few of his highlight reels. Bit of a banger but he seems to do the same thing every time and not really hard to figure out I think Khan would beat him quit easily tbf.
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Rexob wrote:Watched a few of his highlight reels. Bit of a banger but he seems to do the same thing every time and not really hard to figure out I think Khan would beat him quit easily tbf.
You watched "highlight reels" and came away with a full blooded assessment from that?? LOL

I guess he did the same thing vs Soto Karass, Chaves (who Bradley had a tough bout with) and Bundu (who is a very difficult fighter for any boxer to face).

Wow, :zzz:
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