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[Seamus]

Lost my card already and it's just as well, but yesterday I watched the first fight between Roy Jones Jr and Bernard Hopkins, and for a matchup of two future Hall of Famers in there prime, it was a pretty disappointing lackluster affair. I had Jones taking it by 116-114, which was much closer than the three judges and two of the commentators. If Hopkins had pressed the action a bit more in maybe 2rds, he might have pulled it out, well at least on my scorecard. Anyway, this is not a fight I'd recommend watching.

[Seamus]

Cassius Clay vs Doug Jones

R1.DJ
R2.DJ
R3.CC
R4.CC
R5.DJ
R6.DJ
R7.Even
R8.CC
R9.DJ
R10.CC

Doug Jones 5-4-1

Clay looked tentative early on and got nailed with a big right in the first minute of the bout, but he looked to be coming on in 3 and 4 scoring with lot's of combination, but uncharacteristically appeared tired in 5 thru 7. Clay through some good flurries in this fight, but looked unusually easy to hit with long rights and left hooks. It could have been a draw maybe, but one judge had Clay ahead by a ridiculous margin.

Wilfred Benitez vs Carlos Palomino

R1.Even
R2.10-9 WB
R3.10-9 WB
R4.10-9 CP
R5.10-9 CP
R6.10-9 WB
R7.10-9 WB
R8.10-9 WB
R9.10-9 WB
R10.10-9 WB
R11.10-9 WB
R12.10-9 WB
R13.Even
R14.10-9 WB
R15.10-9 CP

Wilfred Benitez 147-140

This was a boxing clinic from Benitez, who wouldn't allow Palomino to get into a rhythm of body punching. The 9th and the 14th were my favorite. In the latter, Palomino look's to have finally gotten Benitez where he want's him, i,e, pinned on the ropes, but it's Wilfred who ends up taking the round with his counterpunching. A split decision by the way was ridiculous.

Eusebio Pedroza vs Rocky Lockridge II

R1.10-9 RL
R2.10-9 RL
R3.10-9 EP
R4.Even
R5.10-9 EP
R6.10-9 EP
R7.Even
R8.10-9 EP
R9.10-9 EP
R10.10-9 RL
R11.Even
R12.10-9 EP
R13.Even
R14.!0-9 RL
R15.Even

Eusebio Pedroza 146-144

For a change, Lockridge started slower than normal, while Pedroza moved into high gear in the 3rd round. I called 5 rounds even, because there was so much toe to toe trading in close with neither guy gaining a substantial advantage. but unlike there first meeting when I thought Rocky was robbed, I couldn't disagree with this decision, though it was close.

[Counter-puncher]

Hey Seamus. I enjoy reading your scores and narratives.

i think with Benitez - Palomino, it was one of those fights closer in the ring than on the cards, as we say. Some of those close rounds i did give to palomino, i had benitez a little narrower.

excellent fight, very skillfully fought i m o. A lot of feinting and tactical boxing buy plenty of action. Two real operators at work, and benitez showing he probably actually trained for this one. I think the times he made palomino miss, wore heavily on palominos stamina. The rally by benitez end of the 14th is a real thing of beauty

[Seamus]

Salvador Sanchez vs Juan LaPorte

R1.SS 10-9
R2.SS 10-9
R3.SS 10-9
R4.JL 10-9
R5.Even 10-10
R6.SS 10-9
R7.SS 10-9
R8.SS 10-9
R9.SS 10-9
R10.JL 10-9
R11.Even 10-10
R12.SS 10-9
R13.JL 10-9
R14.SS 10-9
R15.JL 10-9

Salvador Sanchez 146-141

Gallant performance from Juan LaPorte in his first real test. A couple times in the late rounds, Sanchez looked to be moving in for the kill and starting to land at will, but LaPorte fired back some real solid shots that got his attention.

[scartissue]

Antonio Cervantes vs. Wilfredo Benitez

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Benitez
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Benitez
Round 5: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 6: 10-9 Benitez
Round 7: 10-9 Benitez
Round 8: 10-9 Benitez
Round 9: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 10: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 11: 10-9 Benitez
Round 12: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 13: 10-9 Cervantes
Round 14: 10-9 Benitez
Round 15: 10-10 Even

145-143 Benitez

[Seamus]

Think I'm going to score Benitez v Cervantes soon.

[Counter-puncher]

Salvador Sanchez vs Juan LaPorte

R1.SS 10-9
R2.SS 10-9
R3.SS 10-9
R4.JL 10-9
R5.Even 10-10
R6.SS 10-9
R7.SS 10-9
R8.SS 10-9
R9.SS 10-9
R10.JL 10-9
R11.Even 10-10
R12.SS 10-9
R13.JL 10-9
R14.SS 10-9
R15.JL 10-9

Salvador Sanchez 146-141

Gallant performance from Juan LaPorte in his first real test. A couple times in the late rounds, Sanchez looked to be moving in for the kill and starting to land at will, but LaPorte fired back some real solid shots that got his attention.

haven't seen it in ages, mate- worth a re-watch?

[scartissue]

Think I'm going to score Benitez v Cervantes soon.

Seamus, I found it a difficult fight to score. Depending on how one scores a fight has a lot to do with this. Do you prefer a light-tapping point gaining type of boxing (Benitez) or a lesser work rate with more oomph in the shots (Cervantes). I like good clean punching and this one straddled the fence for me and I found that I had to keep my concentration at the Nth level for this one.

[Seamus]

Counterpuncher. Sanchez vs LaPorte is a decent fight, not a great one. Starts a little slow, but the second half is pretty good.

Scartissue. I've seen parts of Benitez vs Cervantes over the yrs, and from what I saw, it did look rather hard to score.

[scartissue]

Kid Gavilan - Billy Graham III

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Gavilan
Round 3: Graham
Round 4: Gavilan
Round 5: Gavilan
Round 6: Graham
Round 7: Gavilan
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Graham
Round 10: Graham
Round 11: Graham
Round 12: Graham
Round 13: Even
Round 14: Graham
Round 15: Graham

8-4-3 Graham

[Seamus]

Salvador Sanchez vs Ruben Castillo

R1.10-9 RC
R2.10-9 RC
R3.10-9 RC
R4.10-9 SS
R5.10-10
R6.10-9 SS
R7.10-9 SS
R8.10-9 SS
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 SS
R11.10-9 SS
R12.10-9 SS
R13.10-9 RC
R14.10-9 SS
R15.10-9 SS

Salvador Sanchez 146-141

This was Sanchez's first title defense,
and the challenger Ruben Castillo got off to a good start, clearly outboxing
the champion over the first three rounds. But then Sanchez became more
focused and applied the pressure to Castillo, clearly outlanding him with a
nice mix of body and headshots the rest of the way. Interestingly, in an
interview many years later, Castillo claimed "I whupped his ass, but Don
King wouldn't let me get the decision". Well Castillo remained poised and
boxed and moved well to the final bell, but at the end, he just hadn't
landed enough to win. Same exact score I gave for Sanchez vs LaPorte. So,
who was better vs Sanchez, LaPorte or Castillo ? I think Ruben looked a bit
more skillfull, but just needed to be busier.

[Counter-puncher]

Castillo was a lovely, neat little boxer, fantastic footwork, his style was really pleasing on the eye. i think what let him down was (1) he didn't punch very hard/ his style meant he didn't sit down on punches very often (2) he didn't like it to the body, Arguello brutalised him and Sanchez clearly slowed him (IMO) with bodyshots. i personally thought he did a little bettr against Sanchez than Laporte did but, like so many against SS, found it hard to compete with SS' late-rounds' stamina

[Seamus]

Hector Camacho vs Edwin Rosario

R1.10-9 HC
R2.10-9 HC
R3.10-9 ER
R4.10-9 ER
R5.10-8 ER
R6.10-9 HC
R7.10-9 HC
R8.10-9 HC
R9.10-9 HC
R10.10-9 HC
R11.10-9 ER
R12.10-9 ER

Hector Camacho 114-113

First time I saw the bout in it's entirety, and the first thing I have to say is, Rosario had no one to blame but himself. When he actually made an effort and through punches, he did well and would almost certainly have won had he sustained the pressure, but after he hurt Camacho in the 5th, he was so inactive over the next 5 rds that it ended up being the difference. Commentators mentioned him admitting to not being in shape for Davis and Ramirez, well the way he was following Camacho for long periods of this fight, it look's like it was the case here as well. Actually an easy fight to score. Rosario was definitely not robbed in my opinion.

[Counter-puncher]

Rd11 a very good case for 10-8 round though seamus

also, as much as Rosario showed a slight lack of urgency, huge credit to Camacho's engine to come back from the beating he took rd5. His movement and jab let him get off first and shut rosarios offence down

[Seamus]

Antonio Cervantes vs Wilfred Benitez

R1. 10-10
R2.10-9 WB
R3.10-9 WB
R4.10-9 WB
R5.10-9 WB
R6.10-9 WB
R7.10-9 WB
R8.10-9 WB
R9.10-9 AC
R10.10-9 AC
R11.10-9 WB
R12.10-9 WB
R13.10-9 AC
R14.10-10
R15.10-10

Wilfred Benitez 147-141

Amazing performance from 17 year old Wilfred Benitez, who outworked and out hustled Hall of Famer Antonio Cervantes in nearly every round of this bout. I thought the key moment of this fight was round 11, when Benitez, who looked to be slowing down from Cervantes' body punches, rallied to win the round. Cervantes seldom showed a sense of desperation in this bout, but that may have been more a case of frustration with Benitez using his jab and side to side movement to perfection. Once again, I just can't a case for this being an SD.

[scartissue]

In light of the passing of Ernie Terrell I decided to check out one of his controversial close fights. Here is the second fight with Cleveland Williams scored on Philly's 5 point must system.

Round 1: 5-4 Terrell
Round 2: 5-4 Williams
Round 3: 5-4 Williams
Round 4: 5-4 Terrell
Round 5: 5-4 Williams
Round 6: 5-4 Terrell
Round 7: 5-5 Even
Round 8: 5-4 Terrell
Round 9: 5-4 Terrell
Round 10: 5-4 Williams

46-45 Terrell

[Seamus]

Vicente Saldivar vs Howard Winstone II

R1.5-4 HW
R2.5-4 HW
R3.5-5
R4.5-4 VS
R5.5-4 VS
R6.5-5
R7.5-4 VS
R8.5-4 HW
R9.5-4 HW
R10.5-5
R11.5-4 VS
R12.5-4 VS
R13.5-4 VS
R14.5-2 VS
R15.5-4 VS
Vicente Saldivar 71-65

Not sure what the actual scoring system was,
but since it appeared somewhat similar to the 5 pt must, that's what I used.
Winstone made a fine start before the home fans and scored heavily with jabs
and straight right against the initially sluggish looking Saldivar, but the
Mexican Southpaw began firing back hard bodyshots in the 4th round. Winstone
still looked the slightly better of the two thru the 10th, but after that it
was nearly all Saldivar, who looked stronger and stronger. Winstone looked
ready to go in the 14th, but fought back hard in the final round.

Eusebio Pedroza vs Juan LaPorte

R1.10-9 JL
R2.10-9 JL
R3.10-7 JL 1pt taken from Pedroza
R4.10-9 EP
R5.10-9 JL
R6.10-9 JL
R7.10-9 EP
R8.9-9 1 pt taken from Pedroza
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 EP
R11.10-9 EP
R12.10-9 EP
R13.10-10
R14.10-9 JL 1pt taken from Pedroza
R15.10-9 EP
Juan LaPorte 143-141

BoxRec lists Pedroza as having had 2pts
deducted in this fight, but in the telecast it appeared to be 3. (he
probably deserved to lose 4 or 5) So I'd
either have LaPorte winning by 1 or 2 pts.

I hadn't watched this bout since I saw it live,
and I couldn't believe the things Pedroza got away with, low blows, elbows,
holding and hitting, and not just a few times. LaPorte made a great start
and hammered the champion in the 2nd and 3rd rds. In fact with the way he
wobbled Pedroza and with the pt deduction I scored the 3rd a 10-7 rd for
LaPorte. Pedroza's low blows and kidney punches took there toll on LaPorte,
allowing him to make this fight closer than it should have been, but I think
LaPorte still did enough to pull it out.

[scartissue]

Vicente Saldivar vs Howard Winstone II

R1.5-4 HW
R2.5-4 HW
R3.5-5
R4.5-4 VS
R5.5-4 VS
R6.5-5
R7.5-4 VS
R8.5-4 HW
R9.5-4 HW
R10.5-5
R11.5-4 VS
R12.5-4 VS
R13.5-4 VS
R14.5-2 VS
R15.5-4 VS
Vicente Saldivar 71-65

Not sure what the actual scoring system was,
but since it appeared somewhat similar to the 5 pt must, that's what I used.
Winstone made a fine start before the home fans and scored heavily with jabs
and straight right against the initially sluggish looking Saldivar, but the
Mexican Southpaw began firing back hard bodyshots in the 4th round. Winstone
still looked the slightly better of the two thru the 10th, but after that it
was nearly all Saldivar, who looked stronger and stronger. Winstone looked
ready to go in the 14th, but fought back hard in the final round.

.

Seamus, their second fight was the bout fought in Cardiff. I believe it was strictly the British ref acting as sole arbiter. I always heard the ref (whoever it was) had Saldivar by a quarter of a point, which I believe equates to one round (or one point in our world). Of course, I don't know how I would know that since British officials do not disclose their tally. Maybe I once read a Boxing News piece on it.

[scartissue]

Vicente Saldivar vs Howard Winstone II

R1.5-4 HW
R2.5-4 HW
R3.5-5
R4.5-4 VS
R5.5-4 VS
R6.5-5
R7.5-4 VS
R8.5-4 HW
R9.5-4 HW
R10.5-5
R11.5-4 VS
R12.5-4 VS
R13.5-4 VS
R14.5-2 VS
R15.5-4 VS
Vicente Saldivar 71-65

Not sure what the actual scoring system was,
but since it appeared somewhat similar to the 5 pt must, that's what I used.
Winstone made a fine start before the home fans and scored heavily with jabs
and straight right against the initially sluggish looking Saldivar, but the
Mexican Southpaw began firing back hard bodyshots in the 4th round. Winstone
still looked the slightly better of the two thru the 10th, but after that it
was nearly all Saldivar, who looked stronger and stronger. Winstone looked
ready to go in the 14th, but fought back hard in the final round.

.

Seamus, their second fight was the bout fought in Cardiff. I believe it was strictly the British ref acting as sole arbiter. I always heard the ref (whoever it was) had Saldivar by a quarter of a point, which I believe equates to one round (or one point in our world). Of course, I don't know how I would know that since British officials do not disclose their tally. Maybe I once read a Boxing News piece on it.

My bad, I just looked it up. The ref was Wally Thom and his score was posted. He had it 73 3/4 to 73 1/4 for Saldivar, which would have been Vicente up by about 2 rounds on his card. But before mis-speaking on it further, can anyone explain the British scoring system clearer than I, because I would only be making a mess of things if I tried.

[Seamus]

Scartissue. It was a gallant performance from Winstone, who fought his heart out, but the fight wasn't that close. Saldivar really pulled away in the last 5 and Winstone was nearly gone in the 14th.

[scartissue]

Here's a controversial one for you. Dwight Muhammad Qawi against Ossie Ocasio - 10 rounds. Note to self: If watching it, use your own judgement and don't be swayed by Ferdie Pacheco.

Round 1: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 2: 10-9 Qawi
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Qawi
Round 5: 10-9 Qawi
Round 6: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 7: 10-9 Qawi
Round 8: 10-9 Ocasio
Round 9: 10-9 Qawi
Round 10: 10-9 Qawi

97-94 Qawi

[Seamus]

Jim Watt vs Howard Davis

R1.10-9 JW
R2.10-9 HD
R3.10-9 JW
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 JW
R6.10-9 JW
R7.10-9 JW
R8.10-10
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 HD
R11.10-9 JW
R12.10-9 JW
R13.10-9 JW
R14.10-9 JW
R15.10-9 HD

Jim Watt 147-141

Davis' speed and boxing skills pretty much nullified by Watt's workrate.

Joe Frazier vs Oscar Bonavena I

R1.JF 1pt
R2.OB 3 pts for 2 knockdowns of Frazier
R3.JF 1pt
R4.JF 1pt
R5.JF 1pt
R6.JF 1pt
R7.JF 1pt
R8.JF 1pt
R9.Even
R10.OB 1pt

Joe Frazier 7-4

Except for the 2nd round when Frazier was on the brink of being stopped, and the 9th and 10th, Frazier pretty much dominated the strong but sluggish Bonavena. Frazier did look to be slowing down in the final round, but he'd done more than enough to win a clear decision.

[Seamus]

Mike McCallum vs Herol Graham

R1.10-9 HG
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 HG
R5.10-9 HG
R6.10-9 HG
R7.10-9 HG
R8.9-9 1 pt taken from Graham
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-9 MM
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 MM

Herol Graham 115-114

Almost a lackluster performance from the Body Snatcher, who didn't really look himself till the late rounds, even then I thought Graham just did gut out a hard won decision on my card.

Santos Laciar vs Hilario Zapata.

Won't bother to list my card since 2 rounds were missing, wouldn't have mattered though since I had Laciar ahead 11-2. Zapata had some good head movement and footwork, as well as a good jab, but this guy just won't throw enough punches, and when you're not a big puncher win you many rounds against all action fighters like Laciar.

[Seamus]

Muhammad Ali vs Trevor Berbick

R1.10-9 MA
R2.10-9 MA
R3.10-9 MA
R4.10-9 TB
R5.10-9 TB
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 TB
R8.10-9 MA
R9.10-9 TB
R10.10-9 TB

Trevor Berbick 96-95

Even without his once great boxing skills, Ali showed that when he got on his toes and jabbed, he could win rounds against Berbick. This fight was much closer than reported and could easily have been a draw. Ali's jab was a poor imitation of the one that once dominated the HW division, but by using it frequently he still demonstrated that it could cause Berbick problems.

Also recently watched Horacio Accavallo vs Hiroyuki Ebihara II, which yet again was missing a round. Had Ebihara up by 2 from what I saw.

[tiny_acres]

Muhammad Ali vs Trevor Berbick

R1.10-9 MA
R2.10-9 MA
R3.10-9 MA
R4.10-9 TB
R5.10-9 TB
R6.10-10
R7.10-9 TB
R8.10-9 MA
R9.10-9 TB
R10.10-9 TB

Trevor Berbick 96-95

Even without his once great boxing skills, Ali showed that when he got on his toes and jabbed, he could win rounds against Berbick. This fight was much closer than reported and could easily have been a draw. Ali's jab was a poor imitation of the one that once dominated the HW division, but by using it frequently he still demonstrated that it could cause Berbick problems.

Also recently watched Horacio Accavallo vs Hiroyuki Ebihara II, which yet again was missing a round. Had Ebihara up by 2 from what I saw.

I am going to have to watch this one again. I do not remember it being that close. But I bet it's been 20 years since I last saw it.