Stiverne-Wilder. Who Do You Want & Why?

[hoagylt]

Wilder,because he is American.So he is my home fighter.

[Tony1244]

If you’re an American fight fan, then the Stiverne-Wilder fight is intriguing.

To be honest, even I’m fascinated to see how the fight pans out, because even though the quality of opposition faced by Deontay has been astonishingly dire, I still haven’t ruled out the remote possibility that he could actually end up being the “real deal”, because his unique combination of attributes (physique, power and hand-speed).

In terms of the David Haye, Povetkin & Pulev fights… there’s no denying that all three of these bouts were highly-anticipated affairs, which is reflected by the media coverage and the sizeable fight purses that all these men received.

It’s been a very long time since heavyweight boxing was dominated by US fighters… and now we’re seeing the division being dominated by Europeans that have sizeable fan bases.

Fair enough, but if Wilder was from Birmingham, England instead to Birmingham, Alabama, I still think it would be the most intriguing HW fight in decades considering Wilder is 32(32)-0-0.

[Tony1244]

I’ve been keeping my own notes of Wilder’s opponents since 2012 (with the details of each fight in the context of the time each bout took place):

• Jason Gavern - W - K04 - Age: 37 - Excluding the non-standard Prizefighter bouts, had only won 5 of his last 16 bouts and was stopped in 7 of them. Rated 1075th in the Boxrec rankings.

• Malik Scott - W - KO1 - Age: 33 - Gained only one victory in his previous three outings, against a man who had only won three of his previous 17 fights! Deontay's knockout itself looked rather dodgy, because it appears that his punch didn't land cleanly, which was so suspicious that it looked as though Scott took a dive.

• Nicolai Firtha - W - KO4 - Age: 34 - Has only won 48% of all his contests and (preceding the bout) had been defeated in 6 of his last 11 fights. His conditioning leaves a lot to be desired as his weight fluctuates 20lbs per contest. He has never beaten a top 20 ranked heavyweight.

• Siarhei Liakhovich - W - KO1 - Age: 37 - Since 2006, lost four of his previous 6 fights. Had been stopped in both his previous two contests leading up to the Wilder bout.

• Audley Harrison - W - TKO1 - Age: 41 - Since 2005, in terms of conventional heavyweight contests, he'd lost six of twelve contests. Was blown out inside one round in his previous loss against David Price and only landed one punch, the jab, in his fight against David Haye.

• Matthew Greer - W - TKO2 - Age: 35 - Lost five of his last eight contests and has been stopped twice inside three rounds in subsequent fights (in three rounds and one round).

• Kelvin Price - W - KO3 - Age: 37 - Even though he was unbeaten, he'd only had twelve professional fights prior to the Wilder fight. His amateur career was non-existent (i.e. one fight).

• Damon McCreary - W - KO2 - Age: 39 - Even though he was unbeaten, he'd only had thirteen professional fights prior to the Wilder fight. Only competed in three fights since 2001 and mainly campaigned at super-middleweight. However, this 5'11" fighter entered the ring weighing a whopping 262lbs.

• Kertson Manswell - W - TKO1 - Age: 35 - Lost five of his last eight contests, stopped in three rounds in the bout immediately prior to facing Wilder and has only won one fight since (against a three win novice). He was stopped in a single rounf in last fight against the lightly-regarded Tor Hammer.

• Owen Beck - W - RTD3 - Age: 36 - Lost all seven of his previous fights prior to facing Deontay and was subsequently stopped in three rounds by a 43 year old Oleg Maskaev.

• Jesse Oltmanns - W - TKO1 - Age: 36 - Lost two of his previous four contests prior to facing Wilder with very limited experience, having only competed in eight fights.

• Marlon Hayes - W - TKO4 - Age: 40 - Lost nine of his previous twelve bouts leading up to the Wilder fight and hadn't fought for well over four years. The majority of his career was fought at middleweight (160lbs), but against Deontay he weighed 215lbs. Has never won a fight since the Wilder defeat.

Caveat: I admit that I haven’t reviewed these notes for several months, so a few minor points may have changed.

I really don’t care if you’re the biggest Deontay Wilder fan, but it is absolutely impossible to refute my claim that the calibre of men he has faced has been dire!

This is one of the reasons why I would prefer to see a Bermane Stiverne victory come January 17th.

Good work and all true. My caveat is Stiverne only fought 3 fights that were superior to these names and 2 of those were the same name: Arreola. The other one was Ray Austin who Stiverne was losing to !

[DazDiCanio]

Guys, has Stiverne ever been dropped?

[JCS]

I’ve been keeping my own notes of Wilder’s opponents since 2012 (with the details of each fight in the context of the time each bout took place):

• Jason Gavern - W - K04 - Age: 37 - Excluding the non-standard Prizefighter bouts, had only won 5 of his last 16 bouts and was stopped in 7 of them. Rated 1075th in the Boxrec rankings.

• Malik Scott - W - KO1 - Age: 33 - Gained only one victory in his previous three outings, against a man who had only won three of his previous 17 fights! Deontay's knockout itself looked rather dodgy, because it appears that his punch didn't land cleanly, which was so suspicious that it looked as though Scott took a dive.

• Nicolai Firtha - W - KO4 - Age: 34 - Has only won 48% of all his contests and (preceding the bout) had been defeated in 6 of his last 11 fights. His conditioning leaves a lot to be desired as his weight fluctuates 20lbs per contest. He has never beaten a top 20 ranked heavyweight.

• Siarhei Liakhovich - W - KO1 - Age: 37 - Since 2006, lost four of his previous 6 fights. Had been stopped in both his previous two contests leading up to the Wilder bout.

• Audley Harrison - W - TKO1 - Age: 41 - Since 2005, in terms of conventional heavyweight contests, he'd lost six of twelve contests. Was blown out inside one round in his previous loss against David Price and only landed one punch, the jab, in his fight against David Haye.

• Matthew Greer - W - TKO2 - Age: 35 - Lost five of his last eight contests and has been stopped twice inside three rounds in subsequent fights (in three rounds and one round).

• Kelvin Price - W - KO3 - Age: 37 - Even though he was unbeaten, he'd only had twelve professional fights prior to the Wilder fight. His amateur career was non-existent (i.e. one fight).

• Damon McCreary - W - KO2 - Age: 39 - Even though he was unbeaten, he'd only had thirteen professional fights prior to the Wilder fight. Only competed in three fights since 2001 and mainly campaigned at super-middleweight. However, this 5'11" fighter entered the ring weighing a whopping 262lbs.

• Kertson Manswell - W - TKO1 - Age: 35 - Lost five of his last eight contests, stopped in three rounds in the bout immediately prior to facing Wilder and has only won one fight since (against a three win novice). He was stopped in a single rounf in last fight against the lightly-regarded Tor Hammer.

• Owen Beck - W - RTD3 - Age: 36 - Lost all seven of his previous fights prior to facing Deontay and was subsequently stopped in three rounds by a 43 year old Oleg Maskaev.

• Jesse Oltmanns - W - TKO1 - Age: 36 - Lost two of his previous four contests prior to facing Wilder with very limited experience, having only competed in eight fights.

• Marlon Hayes - W - TKO4 - Age: 40 - Lost nine of his previous twelve bouts leading up to the Wilder fight and hadn't fought for well over four years. The majority of his career was fought at middleweight (160lbs), but against Deontay he weighed 215lbs. Has never won a fight since the Wilder defeat.

Caveat: I admit that I haven’t reviewed these notes for several months, so a few minor points may have changed.

I really don’t care if you’re the biggest Deontay Wilder fan, but it is absolutely impossible to refute my claim that the calibre of men he has faced has been dire!

This is one of the reasons why I would prefer to see a Bermane Stiverne victory come January 17th.

Good work and all true. My caveat is Stiverne only fought 3 fights that were superior to these names and 2 of those were the same name: Arreola. The other one was Ray Austin who Stiverne was losing to !

Those notes are awfully negative...

[Tony1244]

The funny thing about this is Golden Boy Productions looks good either way.

If Wilder wins easily, they can say their patience paid off.

If Wilder loses badly, they can say, look what we did with a nobody. We had him go 32(32)-0-0.

[cold187]

Haye vs Chisora was very anticipated!!!!

[Badhusker]

It should be a good fight. Hopefully it goes some rounds instead of an early KO. Whoever wins will hopefully get some respect, instead of saying the other guy was over-rated anyway, and the win means nothing.

It's Wilder's fight, imo, depending on what game plan he has. If Stiverne fights his normal style, he will lose. I have a feeling they will do something different to try to corner Wilder somehow. Anyone that lays against the ropes and takes Wilder's bombs deserves to lose. Wilder needs to use his jab, and fight from a distance to set up his shots. Inside its Stiverne's fight I think.

[lillywhite14]

I'd like Wilder to win but having seen him capitulate in the amateurs I really think his chin is made of the finest glass known to man and that Stiverne is going to knock him out cold.

[klitoris]

I want Stiverne to win because if Wilder wins, Haymon will never in a million years allow Wilder to fight Klitschko. And I want Klitschko to unify the titles.

[tiny_acres]

I'd like Wilder to win but having seen him capitulate in the amateurs I really think his chin is made of the finest glass known to man and that Stiverne is going to knock him out cold.

I am always amazed that people say this about both Wilder and fury but between them they have
57 wins and neither have been knocked out.
Joe Louis,Larry Holmes,Lennox Lewis and Wlad Klitschko have all been knocked down numerous times.
Knock downs happen.
I just care if the guy gets up and continues to fight.

[Badhusker]

I want Stiverne to win because if Wilder wins, Haymon will never in a million years allow Wilder to fight Klitschko. And I want Klitschko to unify the titles.

Your statement makes no sense at all. If either guy wins, especially by KO, a fight with Wlad will be huge.

[ace_of_clubs]

I just noticed the Stiverne-Wilder fight has a combined record of 55-1 with 52 KOS. Not too shabby.

[tiny_acres]

I want Stiverne to win because if Wilder wins, Haymon will never in a million years allow Wilder to fight Klitschko. And I want Klitschko to unify the titles.

Your statement makes no sense at all. If either guy wins, especially by KO, a fight with Wlad will be huge.

You don't follow boxing politics do you?

(Haymon OR Showtime) + HBO = No Fight!

Wilder = Haymon + Showtime
Klitschko = HBO

Haymon has Wilder,Arreola,Audley Harrison and Seth Mitchell.
If I am not mistaken that is Haymon's entire heavyweight stable.If Wilder wins.
Haymon will have to work with other promoters.He has no one to challenge him other wise.

[ruin795]

I want Wilder to win and then I want him to fight some contenders and win, e.g. Povetkin, Fury, and Martin then go for Wlad. I want a BIG showdown in the heavy div WLAD v. WILDER winner take all...

But yea... Wilder will win and then defend against someone like Billy Wright