Whats The Hold Up On Making "The Fight"

[bnovelist]

I have a feeling someway and somehow this fight WONT be taking place anytime soon! Arum, Oscar, Pac, and

Floyd should have already had a formal meeting to discuss the terms for the proposed May 2 date. This doesn't look good at ALL.

As much as I hate to admit by Floyd calling Manny desperate to challenge him it seems as if he's looking for another way out. Manny

was way more qualified than the likes of Guerrero, Ortiz, Cotto, Canelo, Marcos, etc.. I don't calling Manny desperate seems as if he's

trying to discredit Manny on why he doesn't deserve the fight. Ya'll may look over this comment but to me this is very serious people

have been wanting to see this matchup for years and he's calling the guy desperate for a payday. Then I watch the replay of Manny's

last fight he counters HARD and FAST FROM ALL ANGLES. Mayweather has no interest in fighting Manny no matter how much money

is on the table. I get a bad feeling about this fight falling through.....Floyd doesn't speak of Manny until ASKED. You have to ASK

Floyd otherwise he won't mention Manny's name. This clearly doesn't look good at all. Floyd has to be the favorite but Manny OMG

his punches are much like Bruce Lee's laser accurate and targeted. How can Floyd make it 12 full rounds not being blistered with

5-6 punch combo from Manny that scores effectively? I just get a horrible feeling about this fight.

[bnovelist]

I'm serious calling Manny desperate for a payday and then only mentioning Pac only if asked gives me a really bad vibe. They have to

ask Floyd about Manny and then when he does he finds a way to blame arum. If Floyd REALLY wants the fight he was say

"Let's Put All That Negative BS To The Side and Lets Make it Happen." He keeps trying to discredit Arum like he has no intention of

fighting Manny anyways. Someone that's really interested in making the 100mil would keep his mouth shut about the promoters and

get the fight made! Floyd is going to back out once again!!!

[bnovelist]

Any "Sane" person would shut up being offered 100million dollars for a single fight lol but he keeps on bashing Arum. Its like he's

trying his best to sabotage the whole negotiations from ever taking place it's crazy.

[handsofstone]

I was just going away to start another Mayweather/Pacquiao thread,we hadnt had one on CS for at least 20 minutes,i was getting a little worried thank god everythings alright

Ah well i'll leave you lot to get on with it :>

[tiny_acres]

I was just going away to start another Mayweather/Pacquiao thread,we hadnt had one on CS for at least 20 minutes,i was getting a little worried thank god everythings alright

Ah well i'll leave you lot to get on with it :>

[HomicideHenry]

A friend of mine at TopRank, who is Brad Goodman's assistant and who has made alot of matches under TopRank for the passed two years, said to me it comes down to HBO and SHO, basically. Manny is with HBO, Mayweather is with SHO. To make the fight happen, I was told (more or less) that Manny would have to sign with SHO. And business wise, Arum isn't going to make such a decision cus most of TopRank's fights happen on HBO. By having Manny leave HBO for SHO for one fight, would jeopardize TopRank's entire business relationship with HBO.

The other issue is that Mayweather wants Mayweather Promotions to promote the fight, and in reality there is no such thing as Mayweather Promotions--- as it is just Floyd and guys who train with Floyd. In this case, Mayweather is being self-serving, and Arum isn't going to be cut out from the promotion. Also, Mayweather wants to have the higher purse, and not by a small margin, but a rather large margin (80/20) and both Arum and Pacquiao are not interested in doing that either.

According to my friend at TopRank, they would like nothing more than to make the fight happen. But what they are hoping is for Mayweather to complete his contract with SHO (two more fights) and then they can broker a deal. Cus the main issue is the HBO and SHO deal--- why throw away your ties to HBO, just to make ONE fight happen? There is some talk of possibly bringing the fight elsewhere, possibly CBS, but that is a long shot as well.

[KBB]

A friend of mine at TopRank, who is Brad Goodman's assistant and who has made alot of matches under TopRank for the passed two years, said to me it comes down to HBO and SHO, basically. Manny is with HBO, Mayweather is with SHO. To make the fight happen, I was told (more or less) that Manny would have to sign with SHO. And business wise, Arum isn't going to make such a decision cus most of TopRank's fights happen on HBO. By having Manny leave HBO for SHO for one fight, would jeopardize TopRank's entire business relationship with HBO.

The other issue is that Mayweather wants Mayweather Promotions to promote the fight, and in reality there is no such thing as Mayweather Promotions--- as it is just Floyd and guys who train with Floyd. In this case, Mayweather is being self-serving, and Arum isn't going to be cut out from the promotion. Also, Mayweather wants to have the higher purse, and not by a small margin, but a rather large margin (80/20) and both Arum and Pacquiao are not interested in doing that either.

According to my friend at TopRank, they would like nothing more than to make the fight happen. But what they are hoping is for Mayweather to complete his contract with SHO (two more fights) and then they can broker a deal. Cus the main issue is the HBO and SHO deal--- why throw away your ties to HBO, just to make ONE fight happen? There is some talk of possibly bringing the fight elsewhere, possibly CBS, but that is a long shot as well.

The level of ignorance in this post is astonishing, it almost leads me to believe that your friend at TR is just as much a liar as Bob Arum, everyone knows that both of them have already agreed to all the terms, the only thing that's needed to complete this is the funding.

Slob Arum has stepped aside because he is being paid to step aside to make the fight happen because as long as he (Arum) is involved then it will not happen and it is also being reported that Slob may make more or just as much as Manny for this bout which is why he has legally agreed to step aside.

Bnovelist is an idiot who doesn't know the slightest thing that is going on with the negotiations so why even bother reading his crap, this entire thread should be deleted.

[bnovelist]

Idiot how? All I know is that they are willing to easily make the fight with Cotto who fights under TR why no drama with this? Why does

Mayweather only speak of Pac once put on the spot? He never verbally agressively pursues a Manny Pac fight UNLESS asked! He knows

that the whole boxing community has been clamoring for this fight for the past several years and he still says Manny is desperate for payday?

WTF? Whatever he's not interested in making this fight so just let him continue to bash and blame Arum as his coverup. I don't fall for any of

that crap!!!

He says Manny is desperate? So that means all of us are basically desperate as well

Whatever man....Floyd is the hold and has been the hold up for the past couple of years or so. So let him use Arum as his shield for you

dummies!

[bnovelist]

Apperently I'm not the only one so discredit these guys as well.

Skip Bayless - "Did Floyd DUCK Manny Pacquiao?"
50 CENT - "Yes.
That's a 100 million dollars, and he just left it. At this point, it's
more him sorting out who's the perfect opponent than him fighting the
toughest fighter to fight."

STEPHEN A SMITH (longtime die-hard
Floyd-supporter), ESPN. - "I'm saying because of the Manny Pacquiao I
saw yesterday, I have to believe that Floyd is DUCKING."

FLOYD MAYWEATHER SR. - "My son fighting that little man, I'm concerned about my son's life."

TIM BRADLEY - "Floyd doubts himself. Why won't he fight Manny? Scared,
man. He don't wanna fight that. Floyd don't wanna fight that. He don't
wanna see Manny in the ring."

MIKE TYSON - "Hey listen, he
doesn't want to fight the guy, it's obvious. I don't know if he's scared
of him or not, but he just obviously doesn't want to fight the guy."

LARRY
HOLMES - "Pacquiao did all he can. He did all I would have done. I
think Mayweather just got a little too scared if you ask me. If he
thinks Pacquiao is taking drugs so what, he should just say: ‘You take
it, you kill yourself that isn't going to help you, because with my
talent and ability I believe I can still beat you.' But he was scared to
take that challenge. If they never fight it won’t be Pacquiao's fault.
Every time they came round to fighting, Mayweather put his excuses in."

JAMES TONEY - "It shows you right there that Mayweather's not a man. If
you be the best fighter in the world, you fight the guys, know what I'm
sayin'? No matter, don't put down no stupid @$$ stipulations, right.
Hey, he should be a little scared. And Pacquiao is proving he's one of
the best fighters in his era, in this decade."

MICHAEL IRVIN -
"I want Mayweather to stop messing around and making us brothers look
bad by running. Okay, listen. Stop running, man. You're making the
brothers look bad. Get in the ring, even if you lose, it's an honorable
loss."

ATG radio - "Do you really think that we'll ever see Manny Pacquiao/Floyd Mayweather fight?"

GEORGE FOREMAN - "No. Not at all. No, it's not gonna happen. Mayweather
had a chance to do that fight years ago, and maybe for good reasons, he
didn't want it because there was a chance that , in early when he made
up his mind to come back in boxing, Pacquiao would've run over him! Then
they got a little even in time, and then Mayweather got pretty smart
and understood, hey, why? I'm making all this money without fighting
him, why fight him? So now there is definitely no reason to do it."

FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR - "My health is more important than money. They can take all the money, my health is more important."

[bnovelist]

Yeah go ahead and discredit Holmes, Tyson, Foreman, etc.. Go ahead even his former best friend told the truth.

Bnovelist is crazy though off his rocker.

All that CBS, Showtimes, HBO, difficulty is a sham it's Mayweather that's holding up the negotiations.

[diddy]

Of course the fight isnt happening, dope. It never was, and never is. Too many moving parts. Please for the love of fu(k, stop talking about it.

[thunderfromdownunder]

For what it's worth, I uses to think it was more arum, but lately I feel Floyd is becoming the bigger road block

[hulkmaniac]

The rumor now is that Mayweather and Haymon are offering Cotto 40 mill to fight in May.

[thunderfromdownunder]

That would be an alright fight I guess, I'd be more interested in Cotto v Alvarez though

[Taffa]

I think there are more posts complaining about Floyd/Pac posts than there are posts about it. If you don't like them don't click on the threads

[MachoTime]

Some of This stuff is hilarious. It makes a good read. The discussion involves two of the most over paid fighters in the sport. IMO both aren't even exciting anymore. But since they are both so over paid they should be destined to fight each other. Let the people speak...

[KBB]

Idiot how? All I know is that they are willing to easily make the fight with Cotto who fights under TR why no drama with this? Why does

Mayweather only speak of Pac once put on the spot? He never verbally agressively pursues a Manny Pac fight UNLESS asked! He knows

that the whole boxing community has been clamoring for this fight for the past several years and he still says Manny is desperate for payday?

WTF? Whatever he's not interested in making this fight so just let him continue to bash and blame Arum as his coverup. I don't fall for any of

that crap!!!

He says Manny is desperate? So that means all of us are basically desperate as well

Whatever man....Floyd is the hold and has been the hold up for the past couple of years or so. So let him use Arum as his shield for you

dummies!

Yeah sure Floyd has been the hold up for years:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html

Remind us who signed the contract for the 50-50 deal and who didn't???

Who is Freddie Roach blaming for this fight not happening (go to the 2:48 sec mark)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUs8yAS_qTs

Like I said before and if you learn how to read you'd know that they BOTH have agreed to each and every one of each other's terms even for the rematch clauses but the only thing that is holding this up is the funds from the Investors have yet to come in.

Stop talking outta your anus like you usually do, you don't know nothing about boxing or this situation.

[HomicideHenry]

A friend of mine at TopRank, who is Brad Goodman's assistant and who has made alot of matches under TopRank for the passed two years, said to me it comes down to HBO and SHO, basically. Manny is with HBO, Mayweather is with SHO. To make the fight happen, I was told (more or less) that Manny would have to sign with SHO. And business wise, Arum isn't going to make such a decision cus most of TopRank's fights happen on HBO. By having Manny leave HBO for SHO for one fight, would jeopardize TopRank's entire business relationship with HBO.

The other issue is that Mayweather wants Mayweather Promotions to promote the fight, and in reality there is no such thing as Mayweather Promotions--- as it is just Floyd and guys who train with Floyd. In this case, Mayweather is being self-serving, and Arum isn't going to be cut out from the promotion. Also, Mayweather wants to have the higher purse, and not by a small margin, but a rather large margin (80/20) and both Arum and Pacquiao are not interested in doing that either.

According to my friend at TopRank, they would like nothing more than to make the fight happen. But what they are hoping is for Mayweather to complete his contract with SHO (two more fights) and then they can broker a deal. Cus the main issue is the HBO and SHO deal--- why throw away your ties to HBO, just to make ONE fight happen? There is some talk of possibly bringing the fight elsewhere, possibly CBS, but that is a long shot as well.

The level of ignorance in this post is astonishing, it almost leads me to believe that your friend at TR is just as much a liar as Bob Arum, everyone knows that both of them have already agreed to all the terms, the only thing that's needed to complete this is the funding.

Slob Arum has stepped aside because he is being paid to step aside to make the fight happen because as long as he (Arum) is involved then it will not happen and it is also being reported that Slob may make more or just as much as Manny for this bout which is why he has legally agreed to step aside.

Bnovelist is an idiot who doesn't know the slightest thing that is going on with the negotiations so why even bother reading his crap, this entire thread should be deleted.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. But, in my view, my friend has always told it to me straight since day one when we became friends five years ago. So I have no real reason to not believe what he says. Trust me, he says alot of the time he doesn't agree with decisions that Bob or the company makes--- but on this issue, he says it's Mayweather who's the hold out for the reasons I stated before.

[KBB]

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. But, in my view, my friend has always told it to me straight since day one when we became friends five years ago. So I have no real reason to not believe what he says. Trust me, he says alot of the time he doesn't agree with decisions that Bob or the company makes--- but on this issue, he says it's Mayweather who's the hold out for the reasons I stated before.

Slob Arum even admits that the money is the hold up, that has nothing to do with Mayweather, he and Manny both agreed to the terms one another set.

Stop listening to these armchair experts/fighters with their vs of he say-she say because most people have an agenda due to their biases; I just want to see them fight.


http://www.si.com/boxing/2014/12/05/flo ... s-bob-arum

[bnovelist]

Whatever! His own former best friend spilled the beans and now this video confirms its 2yrs old or so but STILL it shows you his mindset

on physically dealing with Manny in the ring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y31Xq5tzbLM STRAIGHTS SCAREDZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ezzard]

The 147 division is starting to look like dangerous waters for Floyd now he's getting older. Pac might be an easier opponent than some of the younger fresher contenders.

[JeanClaude Van Damme]

The winner deserves the bigger purse.

Stop being a bunch of friggin' fairies.

[caldo2025]

There are some GREAT replies here on this post. Good reading.

I really do think that we should all move on and forget about this fight. Floyd WILL NEVER fight Manny. It's NOT going to happen. Maybe Floyd will come out of retirement at 40 when blows all his money and challenge Manny but this fight is not happening.

The days of the True Boxer are numbered. Remember fighters like Hagler, SRL and Hearns? They wanted to fight the best out there not only for the fans but to cement their legacy. Those fighters are now few and far between. Thank heavens for these European boxers like GGG and Kovalev. These two are throwback fighters and they don't care if they lose, they want any fight they could get to test themselves and win over a fan base. These two guys are what's right about boxing, the other 99% of boxers are whats wrong.

Now i'm hearing Floyd is fighting Cotto on May 2nd. That would mean that his last two fights would be against boxers he's already beaten. What a joke.

[KBB]

Reading the levels of ignorance and stupidity in this thread is paramount to riding a bathtub down a snowy sided mountain, sheer stupidity.

Bnovelist, wow, what can one say about him that hasn't already been said but still it doesn't register with him. Now we have Caldo (maybe another Bnovelist-Cheppa namesake).

Jean Claude van Dumb, what planet did you come from? Boxing doesn't work that way, saying stuff like "the winner deserves the bigger purse".

If Manny would've manned up back in 2010 we wouldn't have misinformed clowns here blaming Floyd for the fight not happening; Pacquiao had everything he wanted for that deal then that he asked for and all Mayweather asked for was testing (the same Manny requires of his opponents today) and what happened?

Manny didn't sign the contract and today we still have people blaming Mayweather as though he can make Manny sign. The reason the fight won't happen will be because whatever Espinoza stated in regards to the offer made to Manny was not being backed and now Showtime is in a tight spot to decide how or whether they're going to honor what Stephen stated.

Espinoza tweeted that Manny was offered 40 mil and 35% of the PPV which may or may not be true but regardless he (Espinoza) has now been ordered to keep his mouth closed about anything going on with the negotiations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyko-UDR6vM

You can Tweet Mr. Espinoza (https://twitter.com/stephenespinoza ) any questions you'd like on his Twitter account and I can guarantee that he will not answer, not because he doesn't know you but because he has been issued a "gag order" to say no more. One can only guestimate that Showtime either wasn't prepared to offer Manny as much on the PPV because they had a smaller amount in mind or that the details of the negotiations were supposed to be totally secret until the official announcement was made for the fight.

Either way, what any of us know here is that we cannot blame Mayweather or Pacquiao at this point if the fight doesn't get made because it was already leaked that they both had already agreed to everything and that the financial part of this hasn't been backed yet.

Until then, why don't all you clowns do yourselves and everyone else a favor and stop pointing the finger at Mayweather because it's obvious that you have no knowledge of what's really going down behind the scenes and what is holding up this fight.

[Ricky_]

The winner deserves the bigger purse.

Stop being a bunch of friggin' fairies.

It's not the purse that's the issue. It's Floyd thinking that he's the main man in the promotional business because Goldenboy Promotions & Showtime have let him off the leash a little in terms of being more involved in the business side of the promotion, cherry picking his opponents, who then scoop about $2m max while Floyd takes him his $30m guarantee.

Every other fighter in the sport just signs contracts, lets' the promoters promote, and at most they negotiate what split they get of the purse.

I think we need to accept that Floyd prefers his current arrangement of cherry picking no-hopers and getting his $30m while they go home with $1m, rather than "demoting himself" back to simply fighter status, while Arum & Top Rank handle the promotion.

Expect to see Floyd vs Khan in the summer.