BoxRec Forum Boxing Hall of Fame - rules

[kidlefty]

I'm going to steal an idea from a baseball forum I read, baseball-fever.com. They're voting in an alternate hall of fame to try and do a better job than Cooperstown in recognizing who are the greatest of the great in that sport. Now, I think that the IBHOF in Canastota is at least as controversial as it's baseball counterpart, probably even more so. Every year, people on boards like these bemoan the newest crop of dubious names that have been added to the roll. That's why I'd like to see who the residents of the BoxRec Boxers of the Past forum would select if they were allowed to vote for a more perfect Boxing Hall of Fame.

Here's how it works. Every month, we start a thread where people post their ballot for that month's election. We tally them up, and whoever gets named on at least 75% of the ballots is inducted into the Hall of Fame. The first few rounds don't provide too many surprises. Not too many people are going to argue against the first 50 or so inductees, but after that it starts to get more interesting. Voters find themselves lobbying for their choices, you see people gain and lose support from month to month, and it provides a platform to discuss the greats of the sport.

Of course, we're going to need some rules, so I'll steal some of those from b-f.com too, with specific modifications to suit the fight game.

BoxRec Boxing Hall of Fame
Rules and Guidelines

Statement of Purpose
The BoxRec Boxing Hall of Fame (BRBHoF) is established to honor the greatest fighters in boxing history. boxrec forum members have the opportunity to voice their opinions on these subjects through a series of monthly elections through which the BRBHoF adds new members.

Voter Qualifications
Voters must be members of the BoxRec forums in good standing and must consent to adhere to the rules laid out herein.

Types and Frequency of Elections
There will be elections of retired fighters for induction roughly every three months. Each election begins with the announcement of a new ballotting and ends on a specified date. The results are then tabulated and posted in a timely fashion.

Candidate Eligibility
Any fighter that has been retired for at least ten years is eligible. For example, in 2006, we can elect anyone who's last fight occured in 1995 or before. Use their record on the BoxRec database to confirm the date of their last fight.

Assembling a Ballot
Voters are instructed to consider all eligible candidates for each ballot. Fighters should be considered based on their performance and accomplishments in the ring.

Do not rank the fighters in order, please just list them alphabetically. No one gets any extra points for being ranked higher than another, we are simply counting how many total ballots each fighter is named on.

Voters should list the 25 fighters most deserving of election. If a voter feels there are fewer than 25 candidates deserving of election, then he (or she) may list as many as he feels are deserving.

All legal ballots will be tabulated at the end of the voting each month. Candidates who are named on 75% or more of the ballots will be inducted into the Hall that month. If there are number of ballots submitted for which there is no whole number representing 75%, the closest number of ballots to 75% without going over will be considered worthy of induction (for example, in the April election, 11 ballots were submitted. 9 votes would represent 82%, and 8 would represent 73%, therefore 8 ballots were the minimum requirement for induction in that election).

Explanation of Ballots
It is suggested that any discussion of candidates and/or ballots occur in the Discussion Thread (this one right here). This ought to help other voters, who are less familiar with the many eligible candidates. Make your best case for each candidate as concisely as possible while still supporting your argument.

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[kidlefty]

Sample Ballot:

Muhammad Ali
Alexis Arguello
Henry Armstrong
Ezzard Charles
Jim Corbett
Jack Dempsey
Bob Fitzsimmons
Harry Greb
Jim Jeffries
Stanley Ketchell
Jack Johnson
Sam Langford
Benny Leonard
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Archie Moore
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Willie Pep
Ray Robinson
Barney Ross
Sandy Saddler
John L. Sullivan
Gene Tunney
Mickey Walker
Carlos Zarate

[iceman21287]

So, do we post the actual ballots on this thread too, send them to you, or post on a different thread?

[kidlefty]

I've started a new thread for our January ballots. Post them at:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 617#411617

We'll continue to use this one for general discussion.

[Ambling Alp]

Kidlefty,
This sounds like an interesting idea. I was just wondering about a few things.

1. Are we voting for up 25 guys each month, or just for the first month?
If it's up to 25 each month, we could have a huge amount of guys picked after a just several months. In only a year we could be at in the hundreds.

If after the first month, we don't pick up to 25, how many?
I would suggest only 5.

2. Are we going to have categories? Such as Pioneers, Old-Timers, Moderns, Non-Combatants etc.
I'm not saying that I would want to do that, just wondering.

3. Isn't the thread that say to click on different than the other thread you said to click on in your other post?

I think this is an interesting idea and could be a lot of fun.

[iceman21287]

Kidlefty,
This sounds like an interesting idea. I was just wondering about a few things.

1. Are we voting for up 25 guys each month, or just for the first month?
If it's up to 25 each month, we could have a huge amount of guys picked after a just several months. In only a year we could be at in the hundreds.

If after the first month, we don't pick up to 25, how many?
I would suggest only 5.

2. Are we going to have categories? Such as Pioneers, Old-Timers, Moderns, Non-Combatants etc.
I'm not saying that I would want to do that, just wondering.

3. Isn't the thread that say to click on different than the other thread you said to click on in your other post?

I think this is an interesting idea and could be a lot of fun.

I think that if people are responsible enough with their votes, the ability to vote on 25 per month shouldn't be much of a problem. Clearly for the first few months, many will be inducted each month. However, since you only have to vote for the fighters you think deserve induction, many people will not vote for 25 after the first month or two. That, and the fact that a fighter needs 75% to be inducted, means that for the most part only the deserving fighters will get in.

If we do decide to make the list smaller, I think 10 is a solid number. 5 may be too small, considering the history of the sport and the number of divisions you have to draw from.

[iceman21287]

I do think that we should set a minimum number of ballots turned in for the votes to be tabulated.

What I mean is, if, say, only 4 people turn in a ballot and Willie Pep (just using a random fighter) happens to be on 3 of them, then he'll get into the boxrec hall of fame. However, if he is on one less ballot, then he only got 50% of the vote. If he is on one more ballot then he got 100% of the vote.

I think there should be a minimum of at least 20 ballots turned in by the end of the month, with 30-40 being optimum, before the voted are tabulated.

This way, the results are more accurate and the results are swayed as little as possible by one person's opinion.

[kidlefty]

Kidlefty,
This sounds like an interesting idea. I was just wondering about a few things.

1. Are we voting for up 25 guys each month, or just for the first month?
If it's up to 25 each month, we could have a huge amount of guys picked after a just several months. In only a year we could be at in the hundreds.

If after the first month, we don't pick up to 25, how many?
I would suggest only 5.

2. Are we going to have categories? Such as Pioneers, Old-Timers, Moderns, Non-Combatants etc.
I'm not saying that I would want to do that, just wondering.

3. Isn't the thread that say to click on different than the other thread you said to click on in your other post?

I think this is an interesting idea and could be a lot of fun.

Iceman got it right. After the first few months, there'll be much fewer fighters getting named on 75% of the ballots. We're gonna see that it's a very tough standard once we get through the first-tier HOFers. That said, if we find that there's a need to change the rule, we can. Also, you can vote for less than 25 any time you want.

No sub-catagories. A pioneer needs to make it on the same ballot as a modern fighter.

Not sure what your question about the url's is exactly.

[kidlefty]

I do think that we should set a minimum number of ballots turned in for the votes to be tabulated.

What I mean is, if, say, only 4 people turn in a ballot and Willie Pep (just using a random fighter) happens to be on 3 of them, then he'll get into the boxrec hall of fame. However, if he is on one less ballot, then he only got 50% of the vote. If he is on one more ballot then he got 100% of the vote.

I think there should be a minimum of at least 20 ballots turned in by the end of the month, with 30-40 being optimum, before the voted are tabulated.

This way, the results are more accurate and the results are swayed as little as possible by one person's opinion.

If we get less than ten ballots, then it probably isn't worth doing. I'd be happy with 20 for this first round; you're right though, 30-40 would be perfect.

[kidlefty]

Six ballots posted so far on the January election thread. Plus two more incompletes that we can probably count on being ready before the end of the month. Remember the deadline is the end of the day on the 25th.

You can post your ballot at any time and continue to revise and edit it until the 25th. I won't count them until the morning of the 26th, so don't be afraid to just go ahead and post what you have now.

Just remember to read the rules first (the 10-year retirement rule seems to be the one giving people the most trouble so far; if there's someone you're not sure of, use their BoxRec page to confirm the date of their last bout- anyone who's last bout was in 1995 or earlier qualifies, anyone who fought in 1996 or after does not at this time).

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

heres what i got now



muhammad ali
jack blackburn
joe gans
sam langford
willie pep
sandy saddler
rocky marciano
joe louis
jimmy wilde
ed jofre
carlos monzon
marvin hagler
benny leonard
joe walcott "barbadoes"
Harry Greb
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Jack Dempsey
Salvador Sanchez
Terry Mcgovern
stanley ketchel
mickey walker
alexis arguello
michael spinx
ike williams

[kidlefty]

Good list brockton

Could you post it on the January election thread?

thanks!