Is there truth to a Chavez Jr v Carl Froch fight in Vegas ?

[Evander]

There had been talk of a March 28th fight in Las Vegas, any truth to it and if so how close are they ?

[Rexob]

IT'S ON!!!

[keirw]

http://www.BS.com/arum-chavez- ... rue--85805
Apparently not

[hurricanemitch14]

i hope not.........this fight sucks

[Syntax Error]

i hope not.........this fight sucks

I don't get it either.

Froch seems to be fixated on fighting Chavez Jr in Vegas & I can't think why, apart from the obvious.

If it's all about the money, then fine, but I can't help but think there are more intruiging options for Froch.

[Andrew]

http://www.BS.com/arum-chavez- ... rue--85805
Apparently not

I said from the second Chavez said he signed with Haymon this could get quite nasty. Been getting the impression from Hearn an announcment could be in the next couple of weeks.

I would rather Froch fight Degale but Chavez makes much more money and IMO Carl wins the fight easily.

[palooka]

It's a good match up for TV; both are reluctant to take a step backwards, both are strong, excellent chins and hard hitters. It'll be a good fight.

[The_Sugarman]

I think it's a good fight. Would rather see Froch v Chavez Jr than Froch v DeGale.

[ReggieDiggs]

I hope so. Seems like a war for as long as it goes. There isn't a lot of Carl fights I give a f#ck at this point as its him & Andre at the top of 168 & Andre is gonna beat Carl 93 times out of 100 imho. I just don't think Carl has a style that does well vs Andre's style.

[ReggieDiggs]

I think it's a good fight. Would rather see Froch v Chavez Jr than Froch v DeGale.

Agree. I suppose I can see how UK fans would disagree, but Carl is well above these UK level guys by quite a bit & he should be branching out to make some non-UK entertaining fights at this point. Plus Carl Froch goes to Las Vegas sounds like a movie that'd open at #2 in the UK.

[meahdem]

i think it's a good fight,, cant see why some are slagging it off whats not to like two come forward aggressive fighters and both can punch and both have good chins, rather see this than him fight ward or degale especially since sky's gonna make us fork out 17 brick for it.

[keirw]

I can completely understand why Froch wants to fight Chavez, he is the only supermiddle who has enough of a casual following in the US to make his dream of a big Vegas Swansong possible, also the fan friendly styles of both men should gel well for a good fight.
It's just a shame politics might just cock it all up

[cold187]

I can completely understand why Froch wants to fight Chavez, he is the only supermiddle who has enough of a casual following in the US to make his dream of a big Vegas Swansong possible, also the fan friendly styles of both men should gel well for a good fight.
It's just a shame politics might just cock it all up

welcome to boxing in america.

[Horse]

I hope so. Seems like a war for as long as it goes. There isn't a lot of Carl fights I give a f#ck at this point as its him & Andre at the top of 168 & Andre is gonna beat Carl 93 times out of 100 imho. I just don't think Carl has a style that does well vs Andre's style.

Andre Dirrell is not at the top of 168.

He's done nothing of world level worth since beating Abraham almost 5 years ago.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

They've been talking about this fight forever, but there are 2 problems.

1. Jr seems to be done with Arum. (SMART MOVE)
2. There isn't enough money/interest in this fight in the US. This fight would do good numbers in the UK, but no one in US outside of boxing fans give a fornicate about Carl. So he'll have to settle for a big stage, but probably less money than he'd make fighting DeGale at home.

[expe]

i think it's a good fight,, cant see why some are slagging it off whats not to like two come forward aggressive fighters and both can punch and both have good chins, rather see this than him fight ward or degale especially since sky's gonna make us fork out 17 brick for it.

They'll try to make us pay £17, doesn't mean we have to pay it.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

They've been talking about this fight forever, but there are 2 problems.

1. Jr seems to be done with Arum. (SMART MOVE)
2. There isn't enough money/interest in this fight in the US. This fight would do good numbers in the UK, but no one in US outside of boxing fans give a eff about Carl. So he'll have to settle for a big stage, but probably less money than he'd make fighting DeGale at home.

Why smart move? Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. If there's one boxer that shouldn't have any promoter complaints it's this weight cheating no talent bum. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

[Bard of Boxrec]

I hope so. Seems like a war for as long as it goes. There isn't a lot of Carl fights I give a f#ck at this point as its him & Andre at the top of 168 & Andre is gonna beat Carl 93 times out of 100 imho. I just don't think Carl has a style that does well vs Andre's style.

Andre Dirrell is not at the top of 168.

He's done nothing of world level worth since beating Abraham almost 5 years ago.

I see what you did here

[ReggieDiggs]

Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

The financials were agreed but Top Rank demanded that Chavez Jr. sign a three-fight contract extension as part of the deal to secure the GGG fight, but the Mexican wanted to become a free agent, rather than being contractually-tied to Bob Arum.

Apparently, there was an alternative offer for Chavez Jr. to accept, which did not contain a contract extension clause, but the financial incentive wasn’t there as Bob Arum only offered him a fraction of the purse.

Therefore, Chavez Jr. had three choices:
1. Fight Golovkin for pennies (even though he’s the bigger draw) and be freed of his Top Rank contract
2. Fight Golovkin and receive a handsome payday, but be forced to sign a three fight contract extension with Top Rank (and continue paying Bob Arum 27% commission)
3. Refuse to fight Golovkin altogether and file a lawsuit against Top Rank in an effort to become a free agent… and be in a better position to negotiate bigger purses in the future

I believe that Chavez Jr. chose the third option.

This.

Fans memories of how things went down is often awful or pick & choosey with the facts. This was a no brainer situation for Julio to extract himself from Top Rank & spend the second half of his career making his biggest paydays not unlike Oscar & Floyd.

[ikorolev]

Except he is nowhere near Oscar or Floyd, so money he has been earning is more than he deserves.

[meahdem]

i think it's a good fight,, cant see why some are slagging it off whats not to like two come forward aggressive fighters and both can punch and both have good chins, rather see this than him fight ward or degale especially since sky's gonna make us fork out 17 brick for it.

They'll try to make us pay £17, doesn't mean we have to pay it.

it's all right for you but a sky rep always comes to my house and puts a gun to my head.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

The financials were agreed but Top Rank demanded that Chavez Jr. sign a three-fight contract extension as part of the deal to secure the GGG fight, but the Mexican wanted to become a free agent, rather than being contractually-tied to Bob Arum.

Apparently, there was an alternative offer for Chavez Jr. to accept, which did not contain a contract extension clause, but the financial incentive wasn’t there as Bob Arum only offered him a fraction of the purse.

Therefore, Chavez Jr. had three choices:
1. Fight Golovkin for pennies (even though he’s the bigger draw) and be freed of his Top Rank contract
2. Fight Golovkin and receive a handsome payday, but be forced to sign a three fight contract extension with Top Rank (and continue paying Bob Arum 27% commission)
3. Refuse to fight Golovkin altogether and file a lawsuit against Top Rank in an effort to become a free agent… and be in a better position to negotiate bigger purses in the future

I believe that Chavez Jr. chose the third option.

Again, why do you keep replying to me, dumbfcuk? You're always wrong, you always get sent scurrying.

1. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3378 ... r-top-rank

Bob did offer him a $7 million guarantee with a one-fight extension, and $10 million if he won, $5 million if he lost. Again, we accepted the fight, but not the extensions."

So one fight extension, for the kind of money the guy that robbed Vera probably will never get, once allowed to fight again

2. Show me a link stating Arum takes a 27% commission from him

3. Chavez didnt file a lawsuit, Top Rank did for breach of contract, sh1t for brains.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

They've been talking about this fight forever, but there are 2 problems.

1. Jr seems to be done with Arum. (SMART MOVE)
2. There isn't enough money/interest in this fight in the US. This fight would do good numbers in the UK, but no one in US outside of boxing fans give a eff about Carl. So he'll have to settle for a big stage, but probably less money than he'd make fighting DeGale at home.

Why smart move? Without Arum he's Omar Chavez, a sideshow. If there's one boxer that shouldn't have any promoter complaints it's this weight cheating no talent bum. He was offered great money for GGG, the likes of which he wont see soon. If that's too risky, finish up his contract with a patsy for a low purse, instead of going to court and making nothing and paying lawyer fees and losing

Boxing fans continue to be the least sensible of all sports fans.

No one can deny that Bob Arum's swindling ass didn't help Jr. However, there is a point in a fighter's career that it's best for them to go off own their own. When it's the other way around, NO ONE pulls this loyalty bullshit. Owners/promoters have dropped non-performing/declining athletes forever ... and we all agree.

So when the athlete can no longer perform, it's common sense for a promoter/owner to drop them.
However, when an athlete has outgrown the boundaries of the owner, he must remain under contract for the rest of his life ... because he must always be grateful for the rich man's assistance in making money.

It's so strange how workers have adopted the mentality of the owner.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

"To make that fight everyone must come to an agreement, but [Top Rank] wanted a contract extension. I wanted to fight him, but I have to think about my future. In fact the bout with Golovkin has not fallen off, I can still fight him. The fight Golovkin could happen later this year or in early 2015. It's not that I didn't want to face him, there were contract issue." Chavez Jr. said.
http://www.BS.com/chavez-jr-ge ... pen--81939

Billy Keane (Chavez Jr’s manager) told Yahoo! Sports:

"Julio just wants to be treated fairly and like I've always told them, we will sit down immediately after the fight and see if we can come to a deal," Keane said. "But what he will not do is negotiate with a gun to his head under duress. You know what? When you offer a guy $7 million and then you call back five minutes later, screaming, and say the offer is now $2 million, that's a gun to his head."

“Bob then came back and offered us the standalone fight with no extensions for a $2 million guarantee. That was $5 million less from his last offer, which is more than a 70 percent decrease from the original guaranteed purse.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/ch ... 02501.html

"According to Chavez, Top Rank will only finalize the fight if he agrees to a three fight extension of their promotional agreement. The Mexican star's contract with Top Rank is running out and he wants to become a promotional free agent."

http://www.BS.com/chavez-ill-o ... ion--77251

Even if you doubt the three fight extension claim, Dan Rafael (ESPN) claims that there was at least a two fight clause:

"Keane said Top Rank was asking for a two-fight extension beyond the fight with Golovkin (29-0, 26 KOs), which Chavez did not want to sign."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/tag/ ... -chavez-jr

"Chavez also filed a counterclaim, asking the court to formally declare the Top Rank contract has expired."

http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=27008

"he is teaming up with a guy (Bob Arum) who takes 27% of his fighters purses."

http://www.spam.com/news/article17226.html

Note: Replace "spam" in the url with "fight hype" without spaces.

1. I gave you a direct quote from Keane, Chavez got an offer for a 1 fight extension for 7m + 5m if he lost to GGG, 10m if he won. So no, he didn't have to sign a 3 fight extension. What's this spam you're responding with?

2. He got sued first, and it's that TR lawsuit that's blocking the Froch fight. Look at the title of the article you responded with.

3. Clueless as ever. Chavez vs GGG was gonna be a PPV. There's no 27% "commission" for a PPV, it doesn't work like that dumbfcuk. If HBO is footing the bill, the money gets funneled through the promoter who takes a cut, standard practice. HBO does not foot the bill for a PPV. The promoter and the fighter agree on a guarantee with upside, financed by the PPV proceeds. That's that.

[ikorolev]

Except he is nowhere near Oscar or Floyd, so money he has been earning is more than he deserves.

It really doesn’t matter what Chavez Jr’s detractors believe, the numbers don’t lie and the facts are irrefutable…

The Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Bryan Vera first fight attracted the second highest HBO figures of 2013 (at 1.4m views), with the rematch staged earlier this year peaking at 1.53m views and averaged 1.39m views, which was most viewed fight of 2014 (according to Ring Magazine & Ken Hershman [HBO President]).

Whilst I’m not for one second suggesting that Chavez Jr. has the star power of fighters like Mayweather Jr. or De La Hoya, he almost certainly deserves to be one of the biggest earners in the sport, based on the viewing figures alone.

TV networks don’t pay the bills based on hard-core fans giving them their thumbs-up, their money is earned from subscription fees and advertising revenue, which means that viewing figures are of paramount importance to them!

Nobody said that he was a bad draw. He is a son of the Mexican legend and the only Mexican fighter who has had chances for a title at 160 and up.

Also, his drawing numbers are comparable to Golovkin's, but he is getting WAY more.