British Top 30 P4P January 2015

[Horse]

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Kell Brook
3. (3.) Carl Frampton
4. (4.) Amir Khan
5. (5.) Tyson Fury
6. (6.) James DeGale
7. (7.) George Groves
8. (8.) Martin Murray
9. (9.) Scott Quigg
10. (10.) Ola Afolabi

11. (11.) Lee Selby
12. (12.) Tony Bellew
13. (13.) Jamie McDonnell
14. (14.) Billy Joe Saunders
15. (RE.) Andy Lee (Irish)
16. (15.) Frankie Gavin
17. (16.) Ricky Burns
18. (17.) Lee Haskins
19. (18.) Paul Smith
20. (19.) Paul Butler

21. (20.) Dereck Chisora
22. (21.) Stuart Hall
23. (22.) Anthony Crolla
24. (23.) Josh Warrington
25. (24.) Nathan Cleverly
26. (25.) Matthew Macklin
27. (26.) Liam Walsh
28. (27.) Callum Smith
29. (28.) Kid Galahad
30. (29.) Kevin Satchell

Out - (30.) Stephen Smith

[Horse]

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

[watsupdoc87]

how the fuk is bjs ahead of world champ andy lee. although lee shouldnt be on your list anyways, he irish not british

[littlepug]

Bellew too high, Walsh and galahad too low IMO

[brian13]

Who have Murray or BJS beaten to warrant them being ahead of a World champion in their division.

[Horse]

how the fuk is bjs ahead of world champ andy lee. although lee shouldnt be on your list anyways, he irish not british

Lee picked up a nice win and a nice belt, but he was getting widely outpointed before the stoppage and Korobov is not a proven world level opponent.

[watsupdoc87]

he was losing by 3-4 rounds, then knocked him the fuk out. korobov is twice the opponent that bjs has fought .

[slapbangwhallop]

how the fuk is bjs ahead of world champ andy lee. although lee shouldnt be on your list anyways, he irish not british

Lee picked up a nice win and a nice belt, but he was getting widely outpointed before the stoppage and Korobov is not a proven world level opponent.

Would ya go way ya clown!!! There was nothing in the Korobov fight until the fight ended, and boy did it end.

BJS scraped a points win over a novice that never had a 12 rounder before and he is ahead of a world champion in Lee! Give over will ya!!! Lol

[daviddee]

How can Brook be above Khan go have a look at their last 13 opponents

[Horse]

Bellew too high, Walsh and galahad too low IMO

I've got Bellew about as high is as reasonable, but he shouldn't really be too much lower as he has a pretty solid record.

Walsh looked good in his last fight, but hasn't stepped above domestic level yet and his career has been pretty stagnant for the last four years or so. He looks capable of stepping up to European level or higher, but he hasn't done it yet.

Galahad's opposition hasn't been very good recently and he keeps dropping titles instead of defending them. I'm getting pretty bored of him, I don't think he deserves to be any higher at the moment. He has talent, but he's got to fight better opposition to prove how good he is.

[Horse]

Who have Murray or BJS beaten to warrant them being ahead of a World champion in their division.

Murray arguably beat Martinez and Sturm who are a lot more credible than Korobov.

Saunders has beaten quite a few undfeated fighters recently and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of them were able to beat Korobov if they fought.

Beating Korobov was good, but it doesn't make Lee a legitimate world level fighter or respectable world title holder. With all due respect to him he is a paper champion.

[davie]

How can Brook be above Khan go have a look at their last 13 opponents

The only justification could be that one of them has a belt.

Because on the Devon Alexander performance, Khan is the better fighter.
As you state, on level of opposition Khan has the better resume (yes, despite the losses).
And although I had my doubts before and do rate Kell very highly, I'm fairly confident Khan beats Kell by a fairly wide UD unless Kell gets lucky.

[davie]

15. (RE.) Andy Lee (Irish)


Out - (30.) Stephen Smith

I think this is reasonable, bit surprised Lee was not at least on this list in December however,

[davie]

Bellew too high, Walsh and galahad too low IMO

I've got Bellew about as high is as reasonable, but he shouldn't really be too much lower as he has a pretty solid record.

I would agree, I wouldn't have Bellew too much lower. But he absolutely has to drop 1 place.
No way should he be above 2 time world champion Jamie McDonnell

[Yes We Can]

Korobov is the best win on either BJS & Lee's combined records but i do feel BJS probably has a little more depth to his resume so far, he's been on a good run of opponents so i won't shout to hard about him being above for now.

[crusader]

Can someone tell me why titles matter in these debates? Why care about them at all rather than just who someone's beaten and how they've performed?

It was mentioned that McDonnell is a two-time world champion, but who did he beat to win his titles and are they better than Issac Chilemba or even a blown up Cleverly (not too bothered about where Bellew and McDonnell place; just making a point)? Doesn't using titles as evidence that someone should be ranked more highly than someone else also help legitimize the alphabet trinkets around today?

Korobov is the best win on either BJS & Lee's combined records but i do feel BJS probably has a little more depth to his resume so far, he's been on a good run of opponents so i won't shout to hard about him being above for now

I agree. I can see the cases for each guy being slightly above the other.

[Monte Fisto]

Having a p4p list with more than 5 fighters is madness. It's already subjective in a list of 5, let alone 30.

All a load of tosh

[whiskey]

Groves way too high.

Stopped twice, looked awful twice since, never held a world belt.

Should be ranked 31.

[rm1]

Chisora is too high in my opinion

[expe]

Can someone tell me why titles matter in these debates? Why care about them at all rather than just who someone's beaten and how they've performed?

It was mentioned that McDonnell is a two-time world champion, but who did he beat to win his titles and are they better than Issac Chilemba or even a blown up Cleverly (not too bothered about where Bellew and McDonnell place; just making a point)? Doesn't using titles as evidence that someone should be ranked more highly than someone else also help legitimize the alphabet trinkets around today?

Korobov is the best win on either BJS & Lee's combined records but i do feel BJS probably has a little more depth to his resume so far, he's been on a good run of opponents so i won't shout to hard about him being above for now

I agree. I can see the cases for each guy being slightly above the other.

McDonnell won a world title, then didn't defend it and was stripped. The belt he claims to hold isn't a world title and he didn't beat anyone decent to 'win' it or 'defend' it.

[mullenman]

Who have Murray or BJS beaten to warrant them being ahead of a World champion in their division.

Murray arguably beat Martinez and Sturm who are a lot more credible than Korobov.

Saunders has beaten quite a few undfeated fighters recently and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of them were able to beat Korobov if they fought.

Beating Korobov was good, but it doesn't make Lee a legitimate world level fighter or respectable world title holder. With all due respect to him he is a paper champion.

Sturminster clearly beat Martin that night in Germany

amir should also be ahead of kell

[brian13]

Murray arguably beat Martinez and Sturm who are a lot more credible than Korobov.

Your card means nothing compared to the official cards.

Saunders has beaten quite a few undfeated fighters recently and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of them were able to beat Korobov if they fought.

Beating Korobov was good, but it doesn't make Lee a legitimate world level fighter or respectable world title holder. With all due respect to him he is a paper champion.

Yet, you have Paul Smith low on the rankings despite him getting robbed in Germany. Why isn't he in the top 10 based on your logic then.

[jaymitch81]

Degale aboves Groves?

Not having that...not yet. Groves has fought at the higher level and already has a win against Degale.

[Floyd the snake]

No Kevin Mitchell ? Should be around 20 th .

[Yes We Can]

Murray arguably beat Martinez and Sturm who are a lot more credible than Korobov.

Your card means nothing compared to the official cards.

Saunders has beaten quite a few undfeated fighters recently and I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of them were able to beat Korobov if they fought.

Beating Korobov was good, but it doesn't make Lee a legitimate world level fighter or respectable world title holder. With all due respect to him he is a paper champion.

Yet, you have Paul Smith low on the rankings despite him getting robbed in Germany. Why isn't he in the top 10 based on your logic then.

Hi Paul!

when did that happen?