Julio Cesar Chavez

El Raincoat · Post by **El Raincoat** » 04 Jan 2006, 07:59

Just wondered if anyone on here can give me there opinions of him, how good he was any stories, anything really. He's my favourite fighter and know how reveared he is in Mexico but when he was at his best it was just before i started really getting into boxing so missed most of the good articles and stuff about him.

Aftermath · Post by **Aftermath** » 04 Jan 2006, 14:04

Julio Cesar Chavez was indeed one of the greatest and most remarkable fighters of all time. It’s still great to watch Chavez receive a standing ovation when he walks into a packed arena without even being announced. There are reasons why he is still very popular to this day.

I went to watch Chavez work out at a hotel ballroom once. He was sparring, hitting the heavy bag, skipping rope, shadow boxing, etc. There was a very long line of people waiting to get in that wrapped around the entire block. Chavez looked outside the window and threw passes, shirts and caps down to the people. (I was able to get a pass and a cap). People were being charged about $5 to watch Chavez work out. When he saw how long the huge crowd would have to wait to get in he immediately announced to the crowd in Spanish, “You don’t have to pay to watch me train.” Chavez then instructed the hotel staff to immediately let the entire huge crowd of fans in for free.

In his 1990 album “Spirits Dancing in the Flesh” legendary guitarist Carlos Santana wrote in the liner notes, “This album is dedicated to the champion of champions – Julio Cesar Chavez.”

When asked about it, Santana said, “Chavez has a better record than most people on this planet. He performs with great dignity in and out of the ring. I felt it was important to give him his due.”

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 04 Jan 2006, 19:11

Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Frank B.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 04 Jan 2006, 19:58

He was a great champion.The thing I remember about this guy is after the Meldrick Taylor fight in which he took a million shots, he didnt have a single mark on his face. Unbelievable.Some fighters start bleeding during the national anthem. Not that guy.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 04 Jan 2006, 20:45

kikibalt wrote:Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Frank B.

Yes, I agree. He whined like a baby if he didn't get his own way.

He basically quit against Randall and they still let him have the win.

theone · Post by **theone** » 04 Jan 2006, 22:03

Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Like alot of great fighters,Chavez couldnt except losing because of his intense arrogance. Ironically, that arragonce probably helped make him the great fighter that he was.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Jan 2006, 05:22

kikibalt wrote:Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Frank B.

Show me a "good" loser and I'll show you a loser...

El Raincoat · Post by **El Raincoat** » 05 Jan 2006, 05:35

Good story Aftermath, allot of people say negative things about himas a person but it should detract from him as a fighter. I visited Las Vegas for the Corrales-Castillo 2 fight in Oct and got lucky and had my photo with his son but didn't get chance to me the great man himself. I can remember as Aftermath said he walked into the arena and got a better reseption than any fighter on the card.

The Ring magazine recently did an article about Chavez & Barrera to see if they thought Barrera had eclipsed Chavez i immediatly thought no i no that Chavez had God like status in Mexico and believe that at his best he was a total fighting machine.

Gordon · Post by **Gordon** » 05 Jan 2006, 07:38

Put it this way.

Chavez fought in Vegas for a World Title defense. The crowd was about 10,000.

4 days later he is in the National Stadium in Mexico City fighting some unknown Mexican and there is 135,000 turn out to see him. His popularity in his homeland is seconfd to none he is the King,

But look at his record, he went close to 100 fights undefeated.

That itself is remarkable.

lumpymo · Post by **lumpymo** » 07 Jan 2006, 03:44

Collins2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Frank B.
Yes, I agree. He whined like a baby if he didn't get his own way.

He basically quit against Randall and they still let him have the win.

I saw the second fight with Randall its unfair to say he quit, the reason for him not wanting to continue was the head butt that Randall accidently gave him which opened up a big cut on his forehead just above his eye. If you have ever been head butted in a fight (and I have) it is friggen painful and the clash of heads that those two had was real bad. I think Chavez new he would have to be at his best to be able to beat Randall and with this cut as a definit disadvantage he figured forget about it. Until you have been in a similar situation you can't go saying he "basically quit". The thing I always had a problem with Chavez was he never gave Randall a rematch after wining this one on points when the fight was stopped due to the cut because Chavez refused to continue. Both the first and second fight were wars, I didn't know who was going to win that second one, it was close and Randall was so strong I wanted to see who really was the best between these two warriors.

cheers M.O.

kidlefty · Post by **kidlefty** » 07 Jan 2006, 04:29

Julio Cesar Chavez

Alias J.C.
Birth Name Julio Cesar Chavez Gonzalez
Country Mexican
Global Id MX-00-008119
US Fed Id NV001141
Hometown Culiacan, SIN, Mexico
Birthplace Ciudad Obregon, SON, Mexico
Division Welterweight
Age 43
Born 1962-07-12
Stance Orthodox
Reach 67”
Height 170
Manager Ramón Félix
Trainer Rómulo Quirarte

Career Record © http://www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent W-L-D Location Result
2005-09-17 Grover Wiley 29-6-1 Phoenix, AZ, USA L TKO 5
2005-05-28 Ivan Robinson 32-9-2 Los Angeles, CA, USA W UD 10
2004-05-22 Frankie Randall 59-14-1 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W UD 10
2003-11-22 Willy Wise 26-10-4 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W TKO 2
2001-11-24 Terry Thomas 31-4-2 Juarez, CHH, Mexico W TKO 2
2000-07-29 Kostya Tszyu 24-1-0 Phoenix, AZ, USA L TKO 6
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1999-12-18 Buck Smith 178-13-2 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W TKO 3
1999-10-02 Willy Wise 23-6-4 Las Vegas, NV, USA L UD 10
1999-07-10 Marty Jakubowski 107-5-0 Mexicali, BCN, Mexico W KO 4
1999-04-01 Verdell Smith 35-26-1 El Paso, TX, USA W TKO 4
1998-09-18 Oscar De La Hoya 28-0-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA L TKO 8
WBC Welterweight Title
1998-06-25 Ken Sigurani 22-1-0 Mashantucket, CT, USA W TKO 3
1998-03-07 Miguel Angel Gonzalez 42-1-0 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico D PTS 12
Vacant WBC Light Welterweight Title
1997-06-28 Larry LaCoursiere 22-6-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 10
1997-03-29 Tony Martin 34-5-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 10
1996-10-12 Joey Gamache 45-2-0 Anaheim, CA, USA W TKO 8
1996-06-07 Oscar De La Hoya 21-0-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA L TKO 4
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1996-02-09 Scott Walker 21-3-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 2
1995-09-16 David Kamau 26-0-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1995-07-29 Craig Houk 51-22-0 Rosemont, IL, USA W KO 1
1995-04-08 Giovanni Parisi 29-1-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1994-12-10 Tony Lopez 45-4-1 Monterrey, NLE, Mexico W TKO 10
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1994-09-17 Meldrick Taylor 32-3-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 8
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1994-05-07 Frankie Randall 50-2-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TD 8
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1994-01-29 Frankie Randall 49-2-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA L SD 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1993-12-18 Andy Holligan 21-0-0 Puebla, PUE, Mexico W TKO 5
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1993-10-30 Mike Powell 14-8-0 Juarez, CHH, Mexico W KO 4
1993-09-10 Pernell Whitaker 32-1-0 San Antonio, TX, USA D PTS 12
WBC Welterweight Title
1993-05-08 Terrence Alli 52-7-2 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 6
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1993-04-10 Silvio Walter Rojas 20-4-1 Zapopan, JAL, Mexico W KO 3
1993-02-20 Greg Haugen 32-4-0 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W TKO 5
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1992-12-13 Marty Jakubowski 37-0-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 6
1992-10-31 Bruce Pearson 10-10-1 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1992-09-12 Hector Camacho 41-1-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1992-08-01 Frankie Mitchell 29-1-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 4
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1992-04-10 Angel Hernandez 37-0-2 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W TKO 5
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1992-03-13 Juan Soberanes 39-7-1 La Paz, BCS, Mexico W KO 4
1991-12-13 Ignacio Pedromo 1-0-0 Hermosillo, SON, Mexico W KO 8
1991-11-12 Jorge Alberto Melian 25-4-3 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W KO 4
1991-09-14 Lonnie Smith 29-2-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1991-04-26 Tommy Small 23-3-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 4
1991-03-18 John Duplessis 36-1-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 4
WBC Light Welterweight Title
IBF Light Welterweight Title
1990-12-08 Kyung Duk Ahn 29-1-0 Atlantic City, NJ, USA W TKO 3
WBC Light Welterweight Title
IBF Light Welterweight Title
1990-11-08 Jaime Balboa 44-12-0 Mazatlan, SIN, Mexico W TKO 4
1990-08-18 Russell Mosley 4-3-1 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1990-07-05 Akwei Addo 4-3-0 Madrid, Spain W KO 2
1990-03-17 Meldrick Taylor 24-0-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 12
WBC Light Welterweight Title
IBF Light Welterweight Title
1989-12-16 Alberto de las Mercedes C 44-0-0 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W TKO 3
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1989-11-18 Sammy Fuentes 21-6-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 10
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1989-10-27 Ramon Aramburu 0-0-0 Mazatlan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1989-10-09 Rodolfo Batta 19-6-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 1
1989-07-30 Kenny Vice 26-3-0 Atlantic City, NJ, USA W TKO 3
1989-05-13 Roger Mayweather 34-5-0 Inglewood, CA, USA W TKO 10
WBC Light Welterweight Title
1988-10-29 Jose Luis Ramirez 101-6-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TD 11
WBC Lightweight Title
WBA Lightweight Title
1988-08-01 Vernon Buchanan 19-5-1 Inglewood, CA, USA W TKO 3
1988-06-04 Rafael Limon 51-14-2 Mazatlan, SIN, Mexico W TKO 7
1988-04-16 Rodolfo Aguilar 21-0-1 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 6
WBA Lightweight Title
1988-03-05 Nicky Perez 57-14-1 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 3
1987-11-21 Edwin Rosario 31-2-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 11
WBA Lightweight Title
1987-08-21 Danilo Cabrera 30-4-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1987-04-18 Francisco Tomas Da Cruz 27-1-0 Nimes, France W TKO 3
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1986-12-12 Juan LaPorte 27-6-0 New York, NY, USA W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1986-08-03 Rocky Lockridge 38-4-0 Monte Carlo, Monaco W MD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1986-06-13 Refugio Rojas 28-12-0 New York, NY, USA W TKO 7
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1986-05-15 Faustino Martires Barrios 32-13-14 Paris, France W TKO 5
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1986-03-22 Roberto Collins Lindo 1-12-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W KO 2
1985-12-19 Jeff Bumphus 19-3-0 Los Angeles, CA, USA W TD 5
1985-09-21 Dwight Pratchett 12-6-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W UD 12
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1985-07-07 Roger Mayweather 21-2-0 Las Vegas, NV, USA W TKO 2
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1985-04-19 Ruben Castillo 63-4-2 Inglewood, CA, USA W TKO 6
WBC Super Featherweight Title
1985-01-01 Manuel Hernandez 13-1-2 Mexico City, DIF, Mexico W KO 3
1984-09-13 Mario Martinez 33-1-2 Los Angeles, CA, USA W TKO 8
Vacant WBC Super Featherweight Title
1984-06-13 Delfino Mendoza 1-6-0 Hermosillo, SON, Mexico W KO 3
1984-05-04 Ramon Avitia 3-3-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 6
1983-12-30 Armando Flores 0-0-0 Mazatlan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1983-09-01 Adriano Arreola 21-4-0 Los Angeles, CA, USA W PTS 10
1983-07-16 Benny Abarca 9-13-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 5
1983-06-15 Romero Sandoval 0-4-0 Los Angeles, CA, USA W KO 3
1983-05-01 Javier Fragoso 0-1-0 San Juan, Puerto Rico W KO 4
1983-04-04 Ernesto Herrera 22-15-3 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 2
1983-02-25 Othoniel Lopez 1-1-0 Ensenada, BCN, Mexico W KO 4
1982-12-11 Jerry Lewis 6-4-0 Sacramento, CA, USA W KO 6
1982-10-23 Jerry Lewis 6-3-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 5
1982-09-28 Jose Resendez 13-28-2 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 6
1982-08-20 Santos Rodriguez 4-3-1 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 8
1982-07-19 Gustavo Salgado 4-6-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 2
1982-05-08 Juan Carlos Alvarado 2-4-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1982-04-26 Benny Abarca 9-11-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W PTS 10
1982-03-29 Jose Benjamin Medina 0-0-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 6
1982-03-11 Johnny Jensen 15-11-4 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 3
1982-02-19 Carlos Bryant 2-3-2 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1982-02-04 Ramon Peraza 0-5-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 1
1982-01-29 Jesus Garcia 0-1-0 Guamuchil, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1982-01-12 Ramon Luque 0-6-1 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 1
1981-12-17 Manuel Vasquez 22-17-1 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 7
1981-10-19 Jose Angel Medina 1-2-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 6
1981-09-25 Jorge Ramirez 27-10-4 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1981-08-31 Daniel Felizardo 18-10-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 3
1981-08-07 Jesus (Cuate) Lara 0-6-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1981-07-27 Daniel Martinez 0-0-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 1
1981-07-10 Bobby Fernandez 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1981-06-26 Fidel Navarro 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 1
1981-06-05 Victor Gamez 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 1
1981-05-08 Eduardo Acosta 5-1-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1981-03-04 Miguel Ruiz 1-8-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 1
1981-02-02 Julio Gaxiola 0-1-0 Tijuana, BCN, Mexico W KO 4
1980-12-15 Roberto Flores 1-4-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 3
1980-11-26 Andres Felix 0-2-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 2
1980-10-13 Jesus Martinez 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 1
1980-09-22 Jesus (Cuate) Lara 0-3-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W PTS 10
1980-09-05 Miguel Cebrero 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W PTS 10
1980-07-18 Tito Geraldo 0-0-0 Guamuchil, SIN, Mexico W PTS 6
1980-05-20 Roberto Garcia 8-17-2 Guaymas, SON, Mexico W TKO 6
1980-04-08 Ramon Flores 0-0-0 Navojoa, SON, Mexico W KO 3
1980-03-03 Fidencio Cebreros 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W PTS 6
1980-02-05 Andres Felix 0-0-0 Culiacan, SIN, Mexico W KO 6

Record to Date
Won 108 (KOs 87) Lost 6 Drawn 2 Total 116

Jorge · Post by **Jorge** » 07 Jan 2006, 04:35

Chavez was not the strongest or the fastest. Despite that he knocked out the fastest (Taylor) and some of the strongest fighters of his era (Rosario etc). In my opinion he did so because is probably the most economical and accurate puncher in history. Nothing and I mean nothing was wasted. Everything landed solid. In addition, approach to breaking down a fighter was executed almost scientifically. Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang...everything timed with clocklike precision. Even guys like Mayweather, considere one of the best at the time could not stand up to that kind of firepower. Later in his career he started crying and whining when he lost. By that time he was well past his prime and a shell of his old self

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 07 Jan 2006, 15:28

lumpymo wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Chavez was indeed a great champion , but he was also a poor loser

Frank B.
Yes, I agree. He whined like a baby if he didn't get his own way.

He basically quit against Randall and they still let him have the win.

I saw the second fight with Randall its unfair to say he quit, the reason for him not wanting to continue was the head butt that Randall accidently gave him which opened up a big cut on his forehead just above his eye. If you have ever been head butted in a fight (and I have) it is friggen painful and the clash of heads that those two had was real bad. I think Chavez new he would have to be at his best to be able to beat Randall and with this cut as a definit disadvantage he figured forget about it. Until you have been in a similar situation you can't go saying he "basically quit". The thing I always had a problem with Chavez was he never gave Randall a rematch after wining this one on points when the fight was stopped due to the cut because Chavez refused to continue. Both the first and second fight were wars, I didn't know who was going to win that second one, it was close and Randall was so strong I wanted to see who really was the best between these two warriors.

cheers M.O.

In other words "he basically quit".

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 07 Jan 2006, 21:08

Jorge wrote:Chavez was not the strongest or the fastest. Despite that he knocked out the fastest (Taylor) and some of the strongest fighters of his era (Rosario etc). In my opinion he did so because is probably the most economical and accurate puncher in history. Nothing and I mean nothing was wasted. Everything landed solid. In addition, approach to breaking down a fighter was executed almost scientifically. Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang...everything timed with clocklike precision. Even guys like Mayweather, considere one of the best at the time could not stand up to that kind of firepower. Later in his career he started crying and whining when he lost. By that time he was well past his prime and a shell of his old self

No doubt in Chavez prime his punch accurecy is tops. The way he broke down his opponets was awsome. And at time he could stand in front of a fighter and make the opponet miss. I really like how he could lead with his right hand or hit you with his right hook then clobber you with a body punch.

tiredoldngrey · Post by **tiredoldngrey** » 08 Jan 2006, 02:51

For the life of me I cannot follow how it is that Chvez "quit" in the second Randall fight. My understanding of how such things play out is this: there is the accidental butt and the non cut fighter loses a pont. The doctor examines the cut and informs the referee as the the severity if the injury. In other words can he continue or not. Now if thatdoctor had said that the cut Chavez suffered was not bad enough to stop the fight, the bout wouild have continued. If that were the doctor's ruling and Chavez said "but I don't want to fight anymore" then he would have been declared losed via tko. The doctor has never said that he thought that Chavez could have gone on with the wound- never given any hint in that direction. He said the cut was severe nough to stop the fight.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 Jan 2006, 17:56

tiredoldngrey wrote:For the life of me I cannot follow how it is that Chvez "quit" in the second Randall fight. My understanding of how such things play out is this: there is the accidental butt and the non cut fighter loses a pont. The doctor examines the cut and informs the referee as the the severity if the injury. In other words can he continue or not. Now if thatdoctor had said that the cut Chavez suffered was not bad enough to stop the fight, the bout wouild have continued. If that were the doctor's ruling and Chavez said "but I don't want to fight anymore" then he would have been declared losed via tko. The doctor has never said that he thought that Chavez could have gone on with the wound- never given any hint in that direction. He said the cut was severe nough to stop the fight.

Watch the fight and then tell me how it fits into the scenario you describe above.

Chuck1052 · Post by **Chuck1052** » 08 Jan 2006, 19:22

I feel that Frankie Randall got cheated in his second
bout with Julio Cesar Chavez, who seemed to be
on the verge of losing the bout due to stoppage.
In regards to the incident involving the doctor
inspecting the cut over Chavez's eye, I agree
that it looked like Chavez didn't want to continue.
By the way, the ring doctor should not be concerned
about whether or not a fighter wants to continue
in a bout. In fact, a ring doctor's job is to determine
if the medical risks are too great for a boxer to
continue in a bout.

Remember the bout between Hector Camacho, Jr.
and Jesse James Leija? It brought back memories
of the second bout between Chavez and Randall.
My personal opinion is that it is somewhat unfair
for a fighter to lose if his opponent is unable to
continue because he sustained a cut as the result
of an unintentional head butt.

- Chuck Johnston

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 08 Jan 2006, 19:55

Decagon wrote:
tiredoldngrey wrote:For the life of me I cannot follow how it is that Chvez "quit" in the second Randall fight. My understanding of how such things play out is this: there is the accidental butt and the non cut fighter loses a pont. The doctor examines the cut and informs the referee as the the severity if the injury. In other words can he continue or not. Now if thatdoctor had said that the cut Chavez suffered was not bad enough to stop the fight, the bout wouild have continued. If that were the doctor's ruling and Chavez said "but I don't want to fight anymore" then he would have been declared losed via tko. The doctor has never said that he thought that Chavez could have gone on with the wound- never given any hint in that direction. He said the cut was severe nough to stop the fight.
Chavez's exact words were, "Pleeeeeease senor doctor, sir! Don't let me fight anymore! Pleaaaase!"

Are you still upset that Chavez beat Taylor? Relax let it go.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 08 Jan 2006, 22:14

Decagon wrote:Um, no. I'm one of the few who actually support Steele's decision in that fight.

I too believe Steele was right. Taylor was in no state to continue. Sometimes a fighter has to be protected from his own actions.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 09 Jan 2006, 02:34

ringsider wrote:Those who question Steele's stoppage, have never been in a ring and don't know the punishment Taylor had endured. If you rewatch the fight, without listening to Lampley (who knows nothing about boxing) It is fairly obvious who really won that fight. Had Taylor survived the bout, and been given the title, he still lost the fight, and would never be the same......His career was beaten out of him, his heart kept telling him to go on, and he paided the price.

I agree Meldrick does not sound good at all these days.I also think it was wrong as hell for him to have been thrown in with Terry Norris he got destroyed.Norris was too big strong fast talented everything.

barry · Post by **barry** » 09 Jan 2006, 03:41

Well it's hard for me to agree with a ref stopping a bout with only two seconds remaining unless it had been a one sided beating, but that most certainly was not the case and Taylor deserved to be counted out, but that wouldn't have happened...he would have won the bout had Steele not taken it out of the fighters hands. Taylor fought the fight of his life against one of the greatest ever and he had the bout won, but it was taken from him by the ref. Had Taylor got the win in that fight he would have eventually lost as he did because he was the kind of fighter that would fight before he would admit being hurt and his heart would have caused him to be knocked out as he was. Losing the bout withy Chavez took just as much out of Taylor as the vicious punches he took did. Chavez is one of my all-time favorites, but he was very fortunate on several occasions and benefited from poor judgement that took the fight out of the boxers hands and put it in the hands of the judges, ref and ringside doctors!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 09 Jan 2006, 12:28

I've always said that Taylors corner should have pulled him out after the 9th or 10th rounds. Ok he was ahead on points but he took a hammering and had terrible injuries, severely lacerated mouth, and a fractured eye socket.... my feeling is that Steele didn't like the way Taylor looked and as soon as he got hurt Richard stepped in... he wasn't to know the time of the fight at that moment. If there had been 10 seconds left and Taylor had got hit again who knows what may have happened. You only need to see Taylor today to see the price he paid for that fight.
Unfortunately Meldricks handlers were as brave as he was...

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 09 Jan 2006, 15:46

Decagon wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
Decagon wrote:Um, no. I'm one of the few who actually support Steele's decision in that fight.
I too believe Steele was right. Taylor was in no state to continue. Sometimes a fighter has to be protected from his own actions.

That's not why I agree with Steele. Taylor probably could have survived those last two seconds. I think that Chavez knocked Taylor out, end of story. Steele asked Taylor if he wanted to continue - twice - and Taylor didn't reply.

The fact that he didn't answer would suggest he was in no state to continue wouldn't it?

Roll With The Punches · Post by **Roll With The Punches** » 09 Jan 2006, 22:24

Chavez was a very durable fighter
see his fight with Taylor where he took twice as much punishment but with half the damage

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 10 Jan 2006, 06:49

Chavez was taking more punches (though not in the great amount like some would say) but his punches were having far more effect on Taylor. Taylor probably shouldn't have even been at 140 at that point... I think he should have stayed at 135 far longer, as he moved up his lack of power meant that he had to go to war more often and this combined with the aftermath of the Chavez fight was what started Meldricks downward spiral... plus some shocking match making by Meldricks handlers... putting him in with Norris was outrageous!...

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