Are multiple belts really bad for for boxing?

[man]

how about three different world champions
in football? or have a couple of olympics that
are organised independently ...

[ReggieDiggs]

if it gives more fighters the chance to earn more money through having title fights, then that's a good thing.

I think this is arguable. I bet the difference isn't that great & more of a trade off when we consider the reality that we got now vs how much a top ten caliber guy would garner if there was only 1 champion & ten guys in the top ten. I guess it'd mean that yes more guys who win a belt receive more money, but then the guys who would've been in the real top ten in the past are now more diluted so those guys are earning less.

[ReggieDiggs]

I don’t know how it’s possible for there to be only one world champion, because of TV network & promotional rivalry across the globe.

If the sport of boxing followed the UFC model, whereby only one company controlled all aspects of the sport, then fighters would earn far smaller paydays and the situation would only ever be temporary anyway (i.e. the UFC being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars for maintaining an illegal monopoly and a monopsony over the MMA market).

lol yea how things are going today, idk how you get to one champion unless boxers revolted or something. And its not in the boxers best interest to revolt against excessive titles even though some of them have or will get f#cked over by a abc org.

I'd like to see a UFC sorta style, but I think it'd be more like baseball or other mainstream leagues where there are owners if this was going to be the way things worked. Bob, Oscar & all the major promotional entities would be owners. All the fighters under those specific promoters would be under one giant promotional group. The pay thing is a legit concern as Floyd & Manny level cats are getting a severe paycut as even the rumored amounts GSP & Anderson Silva were getting paid doesn't reach the 8 figure region, but I also believe the lower level guys would be paid more. The guys in 15th bout on a UFC card are splitting a $21k purse (14k for the winner, 7k for the loser). The guys on the 10th bout on a GBP or TR boxing card are probably splitting a $1k or less purse, with the more known guy probably getting 80%+ of that amount win or lose.

[jewboypgh]

What kind of question is this? Are yinz dumb? Of course they are bad for boxing. They ruined the sport!!!!!!

[Badhusker]

What is the fifth major belt?

Also, who decides when a belt becomes major & what hoops does that particular alphabet organisation have to jump through in order to be recognised?

After this, at what point do we say, 'enough is enough', because we could feasibly end up with 35 'major' belts on our hands?

I guess I count the five that are normally listed for champions. WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, and IBO. Some sites list Ring and not IBO

For example: http://www.BS.com/forums/view.php?pg=champions

The point is, there are too many, and it has watered things down.

[ReggieDiggs]

lol yea how things are going today, idk how you get to one champion

Agreed.

The pay thing is a legit concern as Floyd & Manny level cats are getting a severe paycut as even the rumored amounts GSP & Anderson Silva were getting paid doesn't reach the 8 figure region...

Put it this way, George Groves (who has never won a world title) made around £450,000 ($680K) from his first fight against Carl Froch. In stark contrast, even though Anderson Silva's purse was 50% higher than Chris Weidman's for their UFC 168 bout, he only earned £364,000 (or $549,000). I could be wrong, but isn’t Silva considered in the MMA world as the greatest champion in UFC history?

Even if my numbers (obtained from various sources) aren’t quite 100% accurate, they’re at least close to the mark!

Would Mayweather & Pacquiao consider fights for the sort of payday’s Anderson Silva received?

Not close to the mark.

I don't believe the NSAC or whatever commissions numbers you are bringing up represent the true payouts for the GSP's & Anderson Silva's of the MMA world. GSP actually was the UFC's biggest draw PPV-wise & he was taking down $5M-$6M per fight (believe Forbes or someone did an article about this & GSP mentioned it himself iirc) when he walked away yet his NSAC or similar numbers would always be in that $400k area that you'll virtually always see as the max for guys.

I've heard Anderson at one time commanded bigger numbers than GSP & for sure makes millions per fight to this day even though he's not quite at the same status as he was.

Ronda Rousey is probably the most mainstream person in the UFC (til CM Punk arrives anyway) & she's still getting around $100k per fight in disclosed money, but I'd guarantee she's taking down a half mill per fight easy with her influence & maybe is even hitting 7 digits.

And the word on the internet street is Jon Jones made $3M for his recent fight vs Daniel Cormier, yet his disclosed pay was $500k.

Thing is there are unreported behind the scenes bonuses in the UFC (its well reported Frank Mir got a million dollars for one of his fights in an, at the time, unreported bonus) & PPV cuts that get added in. They definitely ain't making as much as the top boxers though no question about that, but the stars of the sport can & do make millions.

[ReggieDiggs]

I didn't make my numbers up, there are loads of links quoting similar ballpark figures.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/12/30/5 ... 0000-purse

If these guys are actually earning more, then why aren't their purses being fully disclosed?

according to figures released to MMAFighting.com by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Didn't say you made anything up & yea like I said NSAC figures aren't THE figures is the problem. This is like Bob writing a $9M check that the NSAC records as Manny's purse, yet in reality he's getting $22M guaranteed. Manny's getting $22M, but all the NSAC has info on is the $9M check thats released to the public. Same difference here.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Look at the end of the day the WBO is legit today I'm not talking about when the tittle was first created if my memory serves me correctly the IBF had teething problem's at the start[ IBF WAS RUN BY JAPAN ] The jap's were getting tittle shot's like they were going out of fashion especially in the lower weight classe's some of their champion's were not even in the WBC or WBA top 20 BUT THAT WAS BEFORE....................... NOT NOW.

[ReggieDiggs]

OK - I'll take your word for it, but one quick question... why are the UFC currently being sued for hundreds of millions of dollars? It seems pay related.,,

They got A LOT of issues. Seems like the biggest one is the monopoly status of the UFC. But yes there are money issues among the issues. It seems largely unjustified to me, but there are so solid points in the lawsuit & things that do need to change. A fighters union is probably the biggest thing thats needed, but no one wants to be "that guy" yet.

To me the money issue is just an issue if you ain't making it. The people who deserve money in an entertainment value sport business are getting it. The people who are bringing fans out to the arena, getting people tuning into to UFC related TV shows & scoring PPV buys are getting paid. If you are a cat no one gives little or no damn about you ain't getting paid like those guys. Jon Fitch is one of the guys openly involved in the lawsuit & his UFC career is defined by being the best boring mfer in the UFC. Him talking about not making enough money would be like Carlos Molina saying he should be getting $1M per fight.

If you look at the history of MMA you'll see other leagues that used to pay guys more money (namely Pride) & they are all leagues that went outta business so I think there is probably some extra money on the table with video game stuff & endorsements perhaps, but fighter pay for fighting is probably where it needs to be.