Deontay Wilder Haters

[Lackeos]

The original post is completely idiotic. Most detraction from Wilder prior to the fight was rational skepticism due to him not having done anything that would validate his hype. He was a complete question mark in a lot of areas, because there's really nothing to be proven from KO'ing Audley Harrison. Now Wilder has been in a fight where he answered a lot of questions about a lot of his attributes, and there is no longer as much cause for skepticism. Having said that, he was getting more credit than he earned before the fight, and the way that he's been anointed the new undisputed champion after Wlad retires, I feel like people never learn when it comes to overhyping a fighter. Wilder is a titlist, a current top 5 heavyweight, and 1 of the top 5 candidates to take over when Wlad is gone. Just leave it at that for now and try to avoid prematurely inducting him into the hall of fame on the basis of a win over Stiverne.

[diddy]

Oh yes. Gang member felon Mike Brown is dead because of no fault of his own. He was a great guy!

Keep drinking the kool aid that the media is serving you.

[Cap]

Obviously a noted member of the elite educated class in Amerika.

[diddy]

Obviously a noted member of the elite educated class in Amerika.

Mike Brown was a stone loser convict. Of course the media will paint a different story because any sort of white on black violence sells like hot cakes and gets crazy ratings. Blacks shoot blacks every 3 mins. That's not a story. It makes no $. But I digress. Another topic for another day but you brought up this crap.

[Butterbean]

Shouldnt diddy just be expelled from here, due to claiming that half the posters are racists... Youre an idiot dude. And you keep claiming it. Dont think you find many racists in this sport.

[koolkc107]

He's a heavyweight and black and american so he can't be any good. Right, idiots?

Friggin thick headed Europeans.

It really chaps their asses that a black american will rule the division when Wlad retires.

I don't think it is fair to use "hater" and "Deontay Wilder" in the same sentence.

I like the kid and it seems like he is going to bring some much needed excitement back to the division.

And he did answer a few questions last night, questions that were very fair for anyone to ask.

But, he is far from thru answering all of them.

Stiverne was a legit opponent, one of very few on his resume and arguably the only one that came ready to fight.

Right now, I give Wilder a legit shot at any heavy with that power, but he has a ways to go before one can say he'd be a slam dunk favorite over even an aging Wlad.

[davie]

Am i imagining this conversation?
Has diddy just gone from an OP accusing people of racism against black to basically saying shooting blacks is OK, they're just gang members and losers, in the space of 3 pages?

[diddy]

Shouldnt diddy just be expelled from here, due to claiming that half the posters are racists... Youre an idiot dude. And you keep claiming it. Dont think you find many racists in this sport.

Yeah I'm an idiot? Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between "your"
and "you're". Probably will reply you "could care less" about grammar.

[Lackeos]

Am i imagining this conversation?
Has diddy just gone from an OP accusing people of racism against black to basically saying shooting blacks is OK, they're just gang members and losers, in the space of 3 pages?

I was thinking the same thing. He's pretty much all over the map. He's pretty much said America is racist, America isn't racist, racism against Blacks is okay, racism against Blacks isn't okay. My head is spinning trying to keep up. He's basically just covering all of the trolling bases. At first you'd think he'd be happy that his guy won, but it actually seems like he's lost his mind as a result of his guy winning.

[diddy]

Let's cut to the chase here. This is mostly a non-american board.

There is a lot of disdain around here for many american boxers - from Wilder to even the greats like Floyd and Ward. Wilder has no chin. He fights bums. Ward holds too much. Floyd runs. Blah blah. Bunch of crap. They're the 2 best fighters in the world and people find things to endlessly complain about them. Do you know how ridic that is? It has to breed from something. Jealousy perhaps?

As far as politics. I didn't bring them up. But if you're going to throw the "Americans are terrible toward blacks" crap out there because a cop shot a black felon who was attacking him in his car...well that's just laughable.

[SNG]

Still at this bollocks eh, diddly?

[diddy]

Am i imagining this conversation?
Has diddy just gone from an OP accusing people of racism against black to basically saying shooting blacks is OK, they're just gang members and losers, in the space of 3 pages?

I was thinking the same thing. He's pretty much all over the map. He's pretty much said America is racist, America isn't racist, racism against Blacks is okay, racism against Blacks isn't okay. My head is spinning trying to keep up. He's basically just covering all of the trolling bases. At first you'd think he'd be happy that his guy won, but it actually seems like he's lost his mind as a result of his guy winning.

When did I say racism was ok? The problem is people like you only swallow up what the media feeds you - ignorant to fact that the media only feeds you what sells best for them. It's racism toward blacks when a white cop shoots a black guy who happens to also be a felon who was attacking him in his car? Typical ignorance. Don't start none won't be none.

I call a spade a spade when warranted.

[davie]

Am i imagining this conversation?
Has diddy just gone from an OP accusing people of racism against black to basically saying shooting blacks is OK, they're just gang members and losers, in the space of 3 pages?

I was thinking the same thing. He's pretty much all over the map. He's pretty much said America is racist, America isn't racist, racism against Blacks is okay, racism against Blacks isn't okay. My head is spinning trying to keep up. He's basically just covering all of the trolling bases. At first you'd think he'd be happy that his guy won, but it actually seems like he's lost his mind as a result of his guy winning.

When did I say racism was ok? The problem is people like you only swallow up what the media feeds you - ignorant to fact that the media only feeds you what sells best for them. It's racism toward blacks when a white cop shoots a black guy who happens to also be a felon who was attacking him in his car? Typical ignorance. Don't start none won't be none.

I call a spade a spade when warranted.

Would that be the same media that reports the mans criminal past, reports images and round the clock news feeds of angry black peopme on the street, that reports looting that reports anything in anyway that distracts you from the fact that white police in America shot yet another young black man.

The media in this country is just about as fucked as it is in yours Diddy. But the prevailing trend isn't to report "bad white man shoots lovely innocent undeserving black gentleman"
Quite the opposite, just like fox news in your country there seems almost a desire to distract you from the real story, that far far too often, white police officers shoot young black men.

[MachoTime]

World champion? Stiverne was gifted a vacant belt against a guy he previously beat.

I get your point, but it's not Stiverne's fault he beat who they said he had to beat to get the title. Its not like he avoided anyone to get there. Wasn't he in line to fight Vitali for a year or two? My point is, I was just saying he was the world champ, and is definitely better than just an average fighter. Whether he was worthy of the title or not is an opinion. There are vacant titles all the time that are "gifted" to undeserving guys I guess.

I thought Stiverne proved something in the Wilder fight. That he was or is a worthy champion. The first half of the fight Wilder was hitting him with powerful shots at will. I never thought this fight would go past six rounds. That's saying something about the resolve of both fighters. Of course I thought of Wilder to be pretty good to begin with. Wilder was a bronze medalist so he obviously has some hidden Boxing ability. I think that's what we saw last night. Wilder can also Box against a top ten fighter or as some might say a debatable "Title Holder". I agree that's not Stiverne's fault. If anything blame that on the Klitschko's who set the bar at a high level.

[Butterbean]

Shouldnt diddy just be expelled from here, due to claiming that half the posters are racists... Youre an idiot dude. And you keep claiming it. Dont think you find many racists in this sport.

Yeah I'm an idiot? Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between "your"
and "you're". Probably will reply you "could care less" about grammar.

So instead of answering the written, you go call me an idiot because i forgot an '... , in a language i dont use very often. Aren't you ashamed by your own behavior ?

[Butterbean]

Am i imagining this conversation?
Has diddy just gone from an OP accusing people of racism against black to basically saying shooting blacks is OK, they're just gang members and losers, in the space of 3 pages?

I was thinking the same thing. He's pretty much all over the map. He's pretty much said America is racist, America isn't racist, racism against Blacks is okay, racism against Blacks isn't okay. My head is spinning trying to keep up. He's basically just covering all of the trolling bases. At first you'd think he'd be happy that his guy won, but it actually seems like he's lost his mind as a result of his guy winning.

[KBB]

The president of the United States...is a black man. Have you seen his policies? Apparently not. Apparently it is still 1940 in America according to you. Who knew?

Uh, he's white also. So how does one come up with that he's somehow more "black" than he is white? Must be that old bigoted/racists
"One Drop Rule"!

I always find it amazing that people just bypass the fact that Obama is just as much white as he is black but somehow he isn't identified as just being The President, no, he has to be The BLACK President.

Just like when there is a police officer, doctor, lawyer, fireman and he happens to be African American/Black persuasion, he's not just simple a police officer, doctor, lawyer, fireman he's the Black Police Officer, Black Doctor, Black Lawyer, Black Fireman.

Racism makes sure it keeps people divided by labeling and adding on titles that depict race as part of the equation when it shouldn't be.

[Baby Face Finster]

The president of the United States...is a black man. Have you seen his policies? Apparently not. Apparently it is still 1940 in America according to you. Who knew?

Uh, he's white also. So how does one come up with that he's somehow more "black" than he is white? Must be that old bigoted/racists
"One Drop Rule"!

I always find it amazing that people just bypass the fact that Obama is just as much white as he is black but somehow he isn't identified as just being The President, no, he has to be The BLACK President.

Just like when there is a police officer, doctor, lawyer, fireman and he happens to be African American/Black persuasion, he's not just simple a police officer, doctor, lawyer, fireman he's the Black Police Officer, Black Doctor, Black Lawyer, Black Fireman.

Racism makes sure it keeps people divided by labeling and adding on titles that depict race as part of the equation when it shouldn't be.

So Obama isn't considered part of the black community? It wasn't blacks who voted in majority numbers for him and cheered when he became the first Black President of the United States?

It wasn't just whites who named him the first Black President, blacks did as well en masse.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Wilder is just what the Doctor ordered Great for division[boxing]

[p4p1]

Shouldnt diddy just be expelled from here, due to claiming that half the posters are racists... Youre an idiot dude. And you keep claiming it. Dont think you find many racists in this sport.

Yeah I'm an idiot? Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between "your"
and "you're". Probably will reply you "could care less" about grammar.

So instead of answering the written, you go call me an idiot because i forgot an '... , in a language i dont use very often. Aren't you ashamed by your own behavior ?

It seems to me he was saying you're an idiot because you used the wrong your, not because you forgot the '. In which case make his post just that bit better.

[Blodhemn]

Cheppa-The only HWs I rank above him now are 6'6" Wlad, 6'9" Fury, and 6'2" Povetkin, the latter of whom I believe is better than Stiverne.

He should've gotten a shot at Vitali if Vitali cared less about the situation in Ukraine, and everybody knows how that'd turn out. Stiverne would be called an undeserving bum after getting pummeled. He's very average and got rated solely from beating Arreola.

Yes, I doubt that there would be much praise for either Klitschko were they to decision Stiverne in a bout that many had 9-3/8-4. I think there would be ample talk of Stiverne being overweight though.

Ah yes, the overweight bum Stiverne would've turned into if his opponent this weekend were a Klitschko instead of Wilder.

It's just like some of us have said all along. The minute a US HW gets a belt, the division will all of a sudden become good, despite it being called the worst era the sports ever seen from day 1 of the Klitschko reign.

[bigjack]

I'm glad he won,we need someone like him for a bit of excitement,and i hope he does rule in years to come,just can't see him being sturdy enough to take on the big european lads though.

[493dart]

It seems to me like today skepticism and reasonable criticism are often conflated with hating.

I was impressed by how he boxed in a disciplined manner for 12 rounds, but beating Stiverne--a good fighter but nonetheless an underdog whose best wins were a come from behind victory over Ray Austin and the pair of wins over Arreola--isn't enough for me to be confident that he'll ever rule the division. I think he's top 5 for sure though, and I'm looking forward to seeing him fight more good opponents of various styles and sizes.

sorry, but that stupid. if there was a ton of guys like tyson, holyfield or bowe today, than i also would truly be skeptical of wilder would rule the division as clear cut #1.

but as of todays heavyweight reality, there is little doubt that he is the future. him or jushua. top 5 is total bullcrap.

povetkin couldnt ko a cruiserweight and was almost losing, some say lost to a guy like huck, a guy wilder would in 2 rounds
stiverne was rated 4 at boxrec and was in most everybodys top 4 and he won like 2 rounds and basicly got chredded
glazkov, a guy who got a SD against scott
fat solis
jennings, who is flatfooted and by far not as powerful or athletic as wilder.....
slow, limited, unathletic pulev......

there is wlad, fury, wilder. wlad, i dont list him even as a boxer, because he is a wrestler and should be dq in every fight. fury is totaly overrated, just happens to be lucky he is tall. but against somebody close as tall as him and much more athletic he wont have a chance.

THIS POST ---- 100% SPOT ON .

[Tony1244]

I'm glad he won,we need someone like him for a bit of excitement,and i hope he does rule in years to come,just can't see him being sturdy enough to take on the big european lads though.

I think Wilder would beat Povetkin and Pulev quite easily and I didn't think that before the Stiverne fight. Fury vs. Deontay would be evenly matched.

[Badhusker]

Wilder's many, many supposed flaws. (No chin, no stamina, no heart, can't box, etc) He seemed to prove many experts wrong in his recent win, but you still hear about his "pencil legs", and how light he is. Fighting and still hitting hard with a broken hand for more than half the fight says something about his mental toughness too.

George Foreman, for what its worth, commented that he thought Wilder's weight is fine, and nothing to worry about. For those of you that don't know, the 6'4" Foreman only weighed 217 when he smacked Frazier around the ring and knocked him out. Wilder weighed in at 219.