May 2nd Pacquiao-Mayweather not happening

[ReggieDiggs]

Who cares what Alex Ariza says. Reggie, Your making excuses. These are petty things that no one cares about.

When a guy makes a valid point I think boxing fans should care. There is no agreed to contract. That is standard Bob bs. Everyone knows promoters are shifty in particular these old school Bob & Don type cats, but somehow Bob gets a pass in all things Floyd related.

[thunderfromdownunder]

Yeah, I am going to fight a guy and make his promoter MILLIONS out of spite, even if Floyd wins Arum gets a W too.

Then why call him out in the first place.


"Yeah I want the fight to happen. Arum and Pacquiao running from me. We will make it happen"

Arum and Pacquiao agree to fight

"We can't fight with Arum"


Why say anything?

Exactly

[MachoTime]

Who cares what Alex Ariza says. Reggie, Your making excuses. These are petty things that no one cares about.

When a guy makes a valid point I think boxing fans should care. There is no agreed to contract. That is standard Bob bs. Everyone knows promoters are shifty in particular these old school Bob & Don type cats, but somehow Bob gets a pass in all things Floyd related.

I saw one of the Watson brothers not too long ago. On NYE. Marcus. HE SAID the fight is going to happen. He is also someone in the know. Nice Guy too I might add. But now it appears it won't because of Mayweather himself. Only Mayweather is too blame.

[ReggieDiggs]

I saw one of the Watson brothers not too long ago. On NYE. Marcus. HE SAID the fight is going to happen. He is also someone in the know. Nice Guy too I might add. But now it appears it won't because of Mayweather himself. Only Mayweather is too blame.

I saw a bunch of people say they thought it was going to happen from all sides. I don't know that that means dick. I'm sure Sam's son isn't that close to the day to day discussions & it sounds like there isn't really much of a face to face to begin with. Sounds like Bob is talking to a guy who's talking to a guy who knows Floyd who then talks to Floyd & there might even be another guy or two in that mix idk. Its definitely at least 3 degrees of separation from one side to the other. Thats hardly an ideal situation to come to any sort of agreement.

Hopefully Bob will prove me wrong & post a signed by Manny contract online or give it to the media or something. I suspect he won't cuz there isn't anything he could prove me wrong with. He's jedi mindtricking the sh!t outta half the media & fans & the other half of the media are scared to lose their TR credentials to call Bob out & the other half of the fans would side with ISIS over Floyd.

[KBB]

Like Alex said to Bob. Show the signed contract with the so-called agreed to terms. I guarantee there isn't one, but no one is gonna say sh!t cuz then you won't be doing any TR pressers or TR fighter interviews.

I understand the Floyd hate for cats on forums like this though. He's a black guy who's rich, acts rich & says disrespectful sh!t & gives no f#cks what boxing fans think. Thats not a guy many are gonna side with. They are much more likely to side with the old greedy white guy who's f#cked over more fighters than anyone besides Don King & has as many name guys sitting on the sidelines as a Kim Kardashian gangbang.

There is no contract!! Only dumb ass Pacquiao fans think because Manny and Arum stated that Pacquiao has "agreed" to the terms that this equals there being a contract supposedly sent to Floyd; first of all the "B" side doesn't dictate the terms or send a contract to the "A" side.

Second, the networks are the ones who are fighting, HBO doesn't want to agree to being the "B" side on the PPV part and this is the reason why NO CONTRACT is even drawn up.

How could there be a contract if neither of the networks has agreed on the PPV split/revenues??

Like I said, dumb ass Pacquiao fans don't sh*t about boxing.

[MachoTime]

I saw one of the Watson brothers not too long ago. On NYE. Marcus. HE SAID the fight is going to happen. He is also someone in the know. Nice Guy too I might add. But now it appears it won't because of Mayweather himself. Only Mayweather is too blame.

I saw a bunch of people say they thought it was going to happen from all sides. I don't know that that means dick. I'm sure Sam's son isn't that close to the day to day discussions & it sounds like there isn't really much of a face to face to begin with. Sounds like Bob is talking to a guy who's talking to a guy who knows Floyd who then talks to Floyd & there might even be another guy or two in that mix idk. Its definitely at least 3 degrees of separation from one side to the other. Thats hardly an ideal situation to come to any sort of agreement.

Hopefully Bob will prove me wrong & post a signed by Manny contract online or give it to the media or something. I suspect he won't cuz there isn't anything he could prove me wrong with. He's jedi mindtricking the sh!t outta half the media & fans & the other half of the media are scared to lose their TR credentials to call Bob out & the other half of the fans would side with ISIS over Floyd.

Who said it needed to be face to face. It's a typical situation. Another passer by asked him about it. He said the fight will happen. What other source is needed. He also talked about Wilder. As far as I know he is connected with Al Haymon. So I would consider him to be a reliable source. He sounded certain about it.

[ReggieDiggs]

Who said it needed to be face to face. It's a typical situation. Another passer by asked him about it. He said the fight will happen. What other source is needed. He also talked about Wilder. As far as I know he is connected with Al Haymon. So I would consider him to be a reliable source. He sounded certain about it.

Well if he wasn't there he don't know is what I'm saying. Those cats just seem to f#ck with the fighters during fight week. And working for Al doesn't mean he knows every f#cking thing. Hell my ex-gf's sister used to work at McDonalds but she had no clue when the McRib was coming out. Lotsa mfers been talking about this fight on all sides. And a lot of people are more hopeful of this fight happening than anytime since 2009-2010. That don't mean they got insider info about the discussions or that them saying the status they believe things to be at makes Floyd at fault cuz someone asked Sam's son some shit one random day "not too long ago" lol. Thats f#cking silly man.

[tiny_acres]

http://au.ibtimes.com/mayweather-breaks ... ed-1413978

More crap on the non-fight

[Badhusker]

None of us know any of the details, but there are a few things we know.

Manny said he was agreeing with Mayweather's terms, but like before when he said he will take less money, Arum wouldn't. Manny says Floyd can have the money he wants. Arum says its always about money.

Manny has publicly said he wants Floyd to sign the contract, but if HBO and Showtime has not settled their deal, there would not be a contract to sign yet.

Like it or not, until HBO and Showtime settle their thing, and Arum gives in to Mayweather's money demand, there won't be a contract to sign, and it won't get signed.

Arum saying "We have agreed to the terms, and are waiting on Mayweather." The exact same thing he said in 2010. Pacquiao said the deadline is the end of January. Koncz says they are already moving on. Arum says there is a deadline, but he will not disclose it.

Floyd said Manny isn't the obstacle, and wants the fight as much as he does. What Manny doesn't realize is he looks like a fool publicly calling Floyd out to sign, when he doesn't seem to have a clue what is going on.

I would like to add that I said before I will never watch a fight of Floyd's or Manny's ever again if they don't get this made, and will stick to it. I encourage every one to do the same. I am sick of the BS just like everyone else.

[ReggieDiggs]

None of us know any of the details, but there are a few things we know.

Manny said he was agreeing with Mayweather's terms, but like before when he said he will take less money, Arum wouldn't. Manny says Floyd can have the money he wants. Arum says its always about money.

Yea I think basically this breaks down to Bob not honoring Manny's terms is maybe the problem. Manny would fight Floyd for $20k, a new $200k sports car & his debts to Bob cleared I bet.

And Manny is right. The economics of the situation says the minority are going to see Floyd or Manny win. Lets say 30% of fans wanna see Manny win & 25% of fans wanna see Floyd win & the other 45% are going to or watching the fight hoping to see Floyd lose. Floyd is the guy people wanna see. He's the guy who's driving the economics of this fight. Of f#cking course he should get more money.

[Badhusker]

None of us know any of the details, but there are a few things we know.

Manny said he was agreeing with Mayweather's terms, but like before when he said he will take less money, Arum wouldn't. Manny says Floyd can have the money he wants. Arum says its always about money.

Yea I think basically this breaks down to Bob not honoring Manny's terms is maybe the problem. Manny would fight Floyd for $20k, a new $200k sports car & his debts to Bob cleared I bet.

And Manny is right. The economics of the situation says the minority are going to see Floyd or Manny win. Lets say 30% of fans wanna see Manny win & 25% of fans wanna see Floyd win & the other 45% are going to or watching the fight hoping to see Floyd lose. Floyd is the guy people wanna see. He's the guy who's driving the economics of this fight. Of f#cking course he should get more money.

True. I can see Floyd asking for at least 60/40, which Manny would agree to. Bob Arum will stand firm on 55-45, or some shit like that. Maybe Floyd wants a wider split, who knows. Its been years since Arum is the B side, and the hate between him and Floyd will prevent him agreeing to Floyd's terms.

The reason I don't think the fight is off the table yet is that at least one side would say what the split was - that wasn't agreed to. I think they are still trying to negotiate. Soon we may hear from Arum it is off though. Right now the only one saying it is off is Ariza, which I don't put much in what his view is. He only has an opinion at this point. I do think the public is beginning to realize what a roadblock Arum is, and always was.

[ReggieDiggs]

The reason I don't think the fight is off the table yet is that at least one side would say what the split was - that wasn't agreed to. I think they are still trying to negotiate. Soon we may hear from Arum it is off though. Right now the only one saying it is off is Ariza, which I don't put much in what his view is. He only has an opinion at this point. I do think the public is beginning to realize what a roadblock Arum is, and always was.

I agree with most of this. I think the talks are still going, but I think the writing is on the wall. And obviously Alex is only giving his take & while he does appear to be a TMT guy now I don't believe him to be that close to the details of these talks to know if its definitely happening or not happening.

The last sentence is all I really disagree with. I don't think the public sees that Bob is a roadblock to making this fight. If this fight doesn't happen it'll land firmly on Floyd's lap regardless of what info ever gets released about these talks & even if Bob said it was his fault (Freddie has said its his sides fault the first talks went foul, but you can't convince a boxing fan that today if he doesn't believe it already).

[ikorolev]

Here is an opposite opinion:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/flo ... next-week/?

[IKSRTFO]

What is that to Floyd? Why should Floyd care about what Manny is being paid? What does Andre Ward have to do with what Bob Arum does? Arum isn't Ward's promoter.

You don't seem to understand how splits work. If fighter b gets a higher percentage that would mean fighter a gets a lower percentage or less money. Floyd is the A side. Floyd gets paid more whoever they fight now. Floyd is the guy people are gonna be paying to see get beat. Few care if Manny wins, they care if Floyd loses. People would be coming to this fight for Floyd not Manny.

I was making a joke about Mikey & Julio Jr fighting as often as Andre Ward.

The split is 60 40. Arum gets a percentage of Manny's 40. That doesn't affect the percentage Floyd is getting.

[ReggieDiggs]

What is that to Floyd? Why should Floyd care about what Manny is being paid? What does Andre Ward have to do with what Bob Arum does? Arum isn't Ward's promoter.

You don't seem to understand how splits work. If fighter b gets a higher percentage that would mean fighter a gets a lower percentage or less money. Floyd is the A side. Floyd gets paid more whoever they fight now. Floyd is the guy people are gonna be paying to see get beat. Few care if Manny wins, they care if Floyd loses. People would be coming to this fight for Floyd not Manny.

I was making a joke about Mikey & Julio Jr fighting as often as Andre Ward.

The split is 60 40. Arum gets a percentage of Manny's 40. That doesn't affect the percentage Floyd is getting.

I'm pretty sure you don't know your point most of the time. I got no idea what your bringing up Bob's cut for. You sure suck ass at illustrating why you bring up a particular point cuz idk what youre getting at here.

You said why should Floyd care what Manny gets paid
I said of course Floyd should care what Manny gets paid cuz they are splitting up the profits
Floyd ain't got sh!t to do with Manny's & Bob's deal so from Floyd's pov he's not dealing with Bob's cut so idk what in the mother of all f#cks you mean in regards to what I'm saying

[IKSRTFO]

I'm pretty sure you don't know your point most of the time. I got no idea what your bringing up Bob's cut for. You sure suck ass at illustrating why you bring up a particular point cuz idk what youre getting at here.

You said why should Floyd care what Manny gets paid
I said of course Floyd should care what Manny gets paid cuz they are splitting up the profits
Floyd ain't got sh!t to do with Manny's & Bob's deal so from Floyd's pov he's not dealing with Bob's cut so idk what in the mother of all f#cks you mean in regards to what I'm saying

I think you don't understand. If I pay you to cut my grass, why would I care what your manager takes out of YOUR cut?


Bob is Manny's promoter. Floyd knew this before he called him out on Showtime and knew it wasn't going to change so why call him out in the first place? He knew what his next excuse was going to be when they agreed.

[ReggieDiggs]

You said why should Floyd care what Manny gets paid
I said of course Floyd should care what Manny gets paid cuz they are splitting up the profits
Floyd ain't got sh!t to do with Manny's & Bob's deal so from Floyd's pov he's not dealing with Bob's cut so idk what in the mother of all f#cks you mean in regards to what I'm saying

I think you don't understand. If I pay you to cut my grass, why would I care what your manager takes out of YOUR cut?


Bob is Manny's promoter. Floyd knew this before he called him out on Showtime and knew it wasn't going to change so why call him out in the first place? He knew what his next excuse was going to be when they agreed.

Brother. That is literally what I just said minus the grass cutting. I got no clue what you mean.

I don't know if Floyd made some comment about Bob getting some of Manny's money & you don't know how to verbalized that here or what. I wouldn't be surprised if he did, cuz I'm sure Floyd would rather Bob not make one penny off of a fight he's in, but Floyd & Al & them aren't stupid. Obviously Bob is going to make money on this fight.

All I believe Floyd really cares about involving money is how much him & his people will be splitting up (& lets not act like Floyd doesn't got people to pay too) & how much Manny gets. And Manny will be splitting up his money to, most notably with Bob. Floyd don't really care what Manny's & Bob's deal is. I mean it might be humorous to hear in retrospect for Floyd, but thats about it.

[KBB]

http://www.inquisitr.com/1775265/floyd- ... ks-no-dea/

No way the fight gets made now.I am so sick of this crap
But I am not shocked

The article that you have supplied contains no evidence to support its own allegations. Please click on the links that this article quotes and read them for yourself.

Even if Team Mayweather would prefer not to do business with Bob Arum, there’s nothing to suggest that they wouldn’t deal with Top Rank’s Todd duBeof.

Mayweather has publicly stated that negotiations are on-going between his representatives and members of Team Pacquiao. There’s no way that this fight can be made without Top Rank’s involvement… and Floyd will know this, but that doesn’t mean that Bob Arum has to be involved.

There’s really no point in jumping to conclusions and buying into hearsay, until we have officially received a public declaration from the proverbial horses’ mouth!

You obviously have no idea how things work over at TR, there is no way that DuBeof can do anything without Bob's approval. Get a clue!