Why is Jean Pascal refusing VADA PED testing?

[Freedom2013]

Is it because he's been working with Angel “Memo” Heredia Hernandez?

Heredia is an expert on passing other PED tests, but he has the people he works with avoid VADA for some reason.

VADA is less expensive than other testing, and yet it catches more PED cheats. It's $8000 compared to the $35,000 for the Heredia-approved testing Pascal claims he wants.

[hulkmaniac]

Everybody uses PED's deal with it.

[victor-romeo]

Ironic isn't it he wants testing then when the most stringent kind is available he backs out...He was waging psychological warfare on Kovalev raising the testing issue after the contract was signed and now he looks like an A$$.

[Freedom2013]

Some of the people that use this forum need to learn how to read and also educate themselves before jumping to random, bizarre and utterly moronic conclusions!

Exactly. You must be referring to yourself, because that's what you've done here.

Anyone who can read and is of at least average intelligence would understand:

1) VADA does random testing
2) Pascal doesn't want to do VADA even though it's less expensive because whatever Heredia is giving to him might be detected
3) his demanding random testing by the other much more expensive private agency recommended by Heredia was just head games and a PR ploy

Thankfully, I see on the various boxing websites that so far everyone except you is bright enough to understand that.

[KBB]

Is it because he's been working with Angel “Memo” Heredia Hernandez?

Heredia is an expert on passing other PED tests, but he has the people he works with avoid VADA for some reason.

VADA is less expensive than other testing, and yet it catches more PED cheats. It's $8000 compared to the $35,000 for the Heredia-approved testing Pascal claims he wants.

Yeah it's mostly because he has been working with him but also let's not forget that he has been working with ROID Jones too.

[ikorolev]

Pascal's "agreeing" to pay was a PR stunt. As soon as it became real, he refused.

[ReggieDiggs]

Mfers musta been dropped on their head as babies or adults to think somehow Jean is the problem here. Sounds like Kathy Duva is concerned Sergey could be dirty or is just being a difficult mfer cuz thats what gets you attention in boxing.

Personally I'm over this PED sh!t. Go get one of those Pulp Fiction heart shots 5 mins before you fight if you want. You aren't gonna be able to detect this sh!t at all soon & they are probably missing a ton of it now. If people wanna take the health risks associated with taking PEDs it seems like a personal decision to me. Having said that if guys mutually agree they want testing, fair enough. Do that to. Idk how much I'm trusting ANY of these orgs with catching guys though.

[Tarkus]

Pascal didn’t want VADA testing - he wanted drug testing that adhered to the WADA protocol, which is entirely reasonable.

Its all nice and cool to refer to WADA protocol but whats the name of the organization is he testing with?

It was lame from Pascal to talk about a culture of drag cheating in Russia when the biggest athlete ever caught on PEDs in history was Canadian of Jamaican origin.

[Blodhemn]

Pascal is with Heredia, aka drug cheat extraordinaire. He's dirty and is a dirtbag for passing his guilt onto Sergey "Mr Clean" Kovalev.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Pascal didn’t want VADA testing - he wanted drug testing that adhered to the WADA protocol, which is entirely reasonable.

Its all nice and cool to refer to WADA protocol but whats the name of the organization is he testing with?

It was lame from Pascal to talk about a culture of drag cheating in Russia when the biggest athlete ever caught on PEDs in history was Canadian of Jamaican origin.

WADA does not administer testing – it is a standard that multiple global parties follow when they administer tests (i.e. the US-based USADA & NSAC). There could be dozens of independent organisations that operate around the globe that administer WADA-standard tests that none of us has heard of, which doesn’t necessarily mean that their work is substandard.

In regards to Pascal’s comments on PED use in Russia, this is not the topic of the thread, which is the reason why I have not commented on this.

If we stick to the topic of the thread, we know that Main Events initially didn’t want blood-based drug testing, but they will only agree to this as long as it’s VADA style, without random testing and Pascal has to pay for it (Kathy Duva's own words).

Wrong as usual. Team Kovalev accepted random testing under VADA auspices. Pascal previously offered to pay for both, for a much more expensive regime. No excuse for rejecting this

[Tarkus]

WADA does not administer testing – it is a standard that multiple global parties follow when they administer tests (i.e. the US-based USADA & NSAC). There could be dozens of independent organisations that operate around the globe that administer WADA-standard tests that none of us has heard of, which doesn’t necessarily mean that their work is substandard.

WADA however sanctions testing and has organizations that are affiliated with, USADA in USA. Only those organization are guaranteed to comply with WADA standards as they are monitored by WADA. All the other organization wich BTW include VADA only claim using WADA protocol with no credible quality control. Thats why we need to know the name the organization to see if they are trustworthy.

In regards to Pascal’s comments on PED use in Russia, this is not the topic of the thread, which is the reason why I have not commented on this.

It is apart of the discussion because Pascal has been blamed to be engaged in a drag PR campaign. And his attempt to tarnish Kovalev by tainting his country can be seen as a part of that strategy.

If we stick to the topic of the thread, we know that Main Events initially didn’t want blood-based drug testing, but they will only agree to this as long as it’s VADA style, without random testing and Pascal has to pay for it (Kathy Duva's own words).

That is not entirely true. Duva said that Kovalev agrees on WADA protocol and that they are talking to VADA to implement it in accordance to WADA code. But she also said that she doesn't want some irregular test that Pascal came up with through his private and unnamed organization whose credibility for anyone with any sense should be zero.


At this stage Pascal should come in terms with the fact that his smear campaign failed miserable. He should shut the fornicate up and focus instead on getting ready for the fight. Well unless he is planning to duck out of it.

[Freedom2013]

Pascal didn’t want VADA testing - he wanted drug testing that adhered to the WADA protocol, which is entirely reasonable. Main Events did not ask for any blood-based PED testing, but would only agree to VADA tests that weren’t random and Jean had to foot the entire bill.

This is a factually-correct assessment of the situation based wholly on interview transcripts of Kathy Duva and Jean Pascal's very own words (see the links I previously supplied in this thread to support my claim).

Any other opinion, such as suggesting the dispute is merely a publicity stunt, is nothing but idle rumour based on pure gut instinct!

You've changed all the facts around to suit you own nasty anti-Kovalev agenda.

Kovalev wants RANDOM testing, but with VADA.

Pascal never mentioned WADA. He wanted some company recommended by Memo Heredia which probably has nothing whatsoever to do with WADA.

Kovalev never turned down ANY testing.

Duva never said anything about VADA time intervals, you're lying about that. She mentioned something about time intervals with the unnamed Heredia-recommended agency, but not with VADA.

Stop trolling. You're playing your usual childish little game, trying to drag people into time-wasting, never-ending arguments.

[Cap]

Uh, maybe Pascal doesn't want to do random drug testing because he's taking random drugs...

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Wrong as usual. Team Kovalev accepted random testing under VADA auspices. Pascal previously offered to pay for both, for a much more expensive regime. No excuse for rejecting this

There is no evidence to suggest that Pascal requested VADA, as he actually asked for WADA. I’m not making this up… and if you don’t believe me, consider the quote from Kathy Duva in the context of Jean’s statement:

“I have been randomly tested ten times under WADA recognized testing methods. This protocol has been in place since before my fight with Lucian Bute and the last time I was tested was over the summer. Because this protocol is unacceptable to the Kovalev people I refuse to pay for his test.”

Where do you see me saying Pascal requested VADA? I clearly said Kovalev did, wtf?

Whatever Duva said earlier, Kovalev recently requested random testing under VADA. Not sure what you're complaining about. If Pascal has PED concerns, here's his opportunity. He was willing to pay a multiple of what VADA charges. What's your point?

[Tarkus]

OK then Fergusg you are not a medical expert so stop talking about drug testing altogether. Troll alert!

[Evander]

Someone should tan that Pascal.

[Freedom2013]

Klimas: "We'll do VADA or any WADA agency, but not Pascal's agency in Montreal no one has ever heard of"

http://www.BS.com/video-klimas ... ore--86665

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Klimas: "We'll do VADA or any WADA agency, but not Pascal's agency in Montreal no one has ever heard of"

http://www.BS.com/video-klimas ... ore--86665

Small agencies in Canada are probably better than VADA or even Olympic style testing ... both of which are scams ... wake up!

Also, if you don't think that Kovalev is taking something, you must be on something yourself.

[ikorolev]

Klimas: "We'll do VADA or any WADA agency, but not Pascal's agency in Montreal no one has ever heard of"

http://www.BS.com/video-klimas ... ore--86665

Small agencies in Canada are probably better than VADA or even Olympic style testing ... both of which are scams ... wake up!

Also, if you don't think that Kovalev is taking something, you must be on something yourself.

If you don't think that ALL top athletes take something, you must be on something yourself. The difference between them is just an extent of using that something.

[Blodhemn]

When Pascal takes his beating, he's going to be spilling PEDs all across the canvas. That's how much he's juicing with Heredia and RJJ on his team.

[Freedom2013]

https://twitter.com/KTCboxing/status/570276269738360833

Pascal wanted to pay for the testing that his S&C coach, the notorious Heredia, would organise.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Because the drugs Pascal's taking would show up on their tests. Kovalev's drugs are designed to beat VADA, that's why he uses it.

Most logical response to all these testin gissues.