Alvarez vs Kirkland

[Rodian]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/sports ... der-radar/

Racism is a big part of boxing. Mexican fans were pretty racist after Floyd beat Canelo.


if Pac/FLoyd ever got made, expect racism as well.

[Baby Face Finster]

Sure there might be a little bit of racism now and again but BI seems to think that it goes on in boxing 100% of the time. Every time something he doesn't like happens he plays the race card. It is so predictable of him. Bad decisions go against all races of boxers, not just black as he would have you believe.

Race is not the deciding factor in boxing...money is. Whomever brings in the most money is generally rewarded regardless of their race.

[hurricanemitch14]

Canelo has had great managing and promoting. The pale skin and red hair on a mexican pays off when they promote his fights so yea skin color is a little behind it, but the biggest thing is money. Money talks no matter the race.

Canelo isnt half as good as to what a lot of people think but he is a good fighter and is fun to watch. If he was 154 when Trinidad, De la hoya, Winky and Vargas were running around he still wouldn't have a title. 20 yr old vs 20 yr old Vargas smashes Canelo but Canelo has the prettier record.

[Badhusker]

Should I assume this is a PPV fight? If not, it is kind of laughable that Canelo would try to own the date of Cinco De Mayo.

What is the deal with the 155 weight anyway? If you are going to fight middle weight, fight there. If you are going to fight jr. middle, fight there. This catch weight bs is super annoying. I get the part that Canelo is maybe thinking this is the best weight for him at this time.

I even hated him vs Floyd at 152, but Canelo was stupid enough to publicly say he would fight Floyd at 150, so it is on him. Floyd was smart enough to agree to 152.

[crusader]

Sure there might be a little bit of racism now and again but BI seems to think that it goes on in boxing 100% of the time. Every time something he doesn't like happens he plays the race card. It is so predictable of him. Bad decisions go against all races of boxers, not just black as he would have you believe.

Race is not the deciding factor in boxing...money is. Whomever brings in the most money is generally rewarded regardless of their race.

There was a thread made during the Super Six about who the dirtiest fight in boxing was and a few people said Andre Ward. BI then stormed into the thread and started ranting about how that was due to racism, completely dismissing the valid points people raised about Ward that had nothing to due with race. He then suggested that Maidana was the dirtiest fighter and didn't seem to think his selection was at all racist even though Maidana is not black like I believe he is.

People may suggest that others are playing the race card when valid points about race were made, but it's nonsensical to suggest that there are no circumstances in which someone can unjustifiably accuse others of racism or greatly exaggerate the role of race in the issue.

[SenorPipino]

If Canelo was an aggressive fighter instead of a cautious one, he'd KO the glass-chinned Kirkland in 1 round.
Since he takes his time and dissects opponents, the Mexican will need to enter the second round before he brutally stops the hard-punching, but very ordinary Kirkland.

The limited El Perro almost had Kirkland out in the first (just like the Japanese guy). The more skilled Canelo can certainly turn the trick very early.

[Badhusker]

If Canelo was an aggressive fighter instead of a cautious one, he'd KO the glass-chinned Kirkland in 1 round.
Since he takes his time and dissects opponents, the Mexican will need to enter the second round before he brutally stops the hard-punching, but very ordinary Kirkland.

The limited El Perro almost had Kirkland out in the first (just like the Japanese guy). The more skilled Canelo can certainly turn the trick very early.

Just remember that the El Perro that fought Kirkland and Lara was a totally different one that fought Canelo.

[Cent0089]

is there some official statement from Kirklands camp?

[palooka]

This could be a really entertaining bout, I think Canelo will stop Kirkland late.

[SenorPipino]

If Canelo was an aggressive fighter instead of a cautious one, he'd KO the glass-chinned Kirkland in 1 round.
Since he takes his time and dissects opponents, the Mexican will need to enter the second round before he brutally stops the hard-punching, but very ordinary Kirkland.

The limited El Perro almost had Kirkland out in the first (just like the Japanese guy). The more skilled Canelo can certainly turn the trick very early.

Just remember that the El Perro that fought Kirkland and Lara was a totally different one that fought Canelo.

Okay, I'll try to remember that...even after Canelo blitzes Kirkland in rapid fashion.
(But what about that Japanese guy????)

[SenorPipino]

Of course, you gotta figure that head-case Kirkland has a good chance of pulling out of this bout.
He did it a couple of years ago when he was supposed to challenge Canelo, and he hasn't been the most active guy out there.

I'm sure GB already has a fill-in replacement in mind should Kirkland resort to his usual shenanigans.
Probably Josh Clottey is on standby alert.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Sure there might be a little bit of racism now and again but BI seems to think that it goes on in boxing 100% of the time. Every time something he doesn't like happens he plays the race card. It is so predictable of him. Bad decisions go against all races of boxers, not just black as he would have you believe.

Race is not the deciding factor in boxing...money is. Whomever brings in the most money is generally rewarded regardless of their race.

Have I ever said that black fighters don't get favorable decisions? That would be the most ridiculous statement ever. We all KNOW that the money fighter gets the decision.

I was merely mentioning that Canelo is a good fighter, but a complete fraud as boxing superstar. Besides his inflated resume for reasons stated, he gains a significant portion of his popularity from the fact he looks white, which amazingly in Mexico, is the general standard of beauty.

Thus I concluded "I just think it's sorry that an entire country that looks mostly one way think that's looking another way is ideal beauty" a statement regarding the lingering effects of colonialism.

[Badhusker]

If the rumor is true about Kirkland being almost 200lbs, and if he does manage to make weight, it will be another Canelo vs Angulo beatdown. Angulo reportedly cut about 40 pounds. With 45 lbs to cut, Kirkland isn't going to have much gas in the tank.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/kir ... ore-187719

[Cent0089]

I really don´t understand why so many people saying this fight is mismatch. James Kirkland is dangerous oponent for anybody . If Canelo can beat him in fashion, i like to see him against Demetrius Andrade next. Or megafight with Golovkin would be exciting

[Badhusker]

I really don´t understand why so many people saying this fight is mismatch. James Kirkland is dangerous oponent for anybody . If Canelo can beat him in fashion, i like to see him against Demetrius Andrade next. Or megafight with Golovkin would be exciting

Kirkland is a dangerous opponent if he can make the weight comfortably. Taking of 40 or 45lbs in two months can be done, but what you have left is the question. (Angulo didn't do well because of that) Add to that being off for a year and a half only adds rustiness to the drastic weight cut. I think team Canelo is mindful of how dangerous Kirkland is, and is why they are taking it. (knowing Kirkland has a ton of weight to lose, and is rusty) The last time they offered him the fight Kirkland was not healed from an injury.

[Tanzio]

I would prefer Canelo v Cotto but the Kirkland fight is guaranteed action so I cannot complain.

[ReggieDiggs]

I really don´t understand why so many people saying this fight is mismatch.

Well at this point I think most people see Saul as the best guy at 154 (or #2 if you think Erislandy got robbed) & James as a headcase who hasn't fought in a year, looked a lil heavy in a recent picture & seems to not wanna work with the trainer who's gotten the most successful moments we've seen from James. Its definitely a mismatch in those ways.

For me personally I rarely to never wanna see a top or top 2 or 3 level guy in any division fighting cats who aren't even active. Having said that this fight has gotten a pass by James being a fun guy to watch cuz even I, who thinks its a bit of a mismatch, think it has a chance to be fun to watch. There is just a bigger chance it'll be a one sided shellacking.

[Evander]

Alvarez is a powerful fighter but I'm not blown away with his style and skills.
His chin seems to be solid and physically he's in in good shape, he's durable has a dangerous punch and is motivated, he's not to be taken lightly.
Even though the win over Austin Trout was good for him, it didn't ring alarm bells loud enough to indicate an emergency might be awaiting Mayweather.
He lost to Floyd and moved on to Angulo which seemed like a tailor made fight for him, it was clear his power was still there and he didn't look to have suffered any effects from his previous contests.
Against Lara his lack of boxing ability was exposed again in a close fight, I don't think he came away from it looking particularly impressive.
Canelo Alvarez is a top ranked dangerous fighter who due to his power has the ability to turn a fight, overall style is open to criticism and opponents could manipulate his shortcomings in that department.
The ups and downs of Kirkland's career have been interesting to watch, the Joel Julio fight put him on the map and I considered him an enormous threat to the hierarchy of the division.
The 2 year layoff and knockout loss to Ishida moved him back although he's since responded by winning 5 on the spin.
James Kirkland's style is very aggressive and in your face, his conditioning is fine but he does have slightly a vulnerable chin at times, he's rather more the physical pressure fighter than the more polished type of boxer.
The fight itself doesn't have the hallmarks of slick boxing match for a second, it's likely to be very entertaining and unpredictable if only due to the mere power in the ring.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I really don´t understand why so many people saying this fight is mismatch.

Because Canelo's two landslide wins over Trout and Lara convinced everyone he's a class above all fighters ... except Floyd.

[Badhusker]

I guess I am the only one that thinks weight will be a factor in this fight.

I remember Hatton ballooning up to 180 after Floyd beat him and severely struggling with the weight, especially back down to 140. Roach said he knew he wouldn't have much left in the tank after seeing him out running in the hot sun the day of the weigh in.

Angulo took off too much too fast, and he looked like a totally different fighter vs Canelo compared to Lara. Hope I am wrong, but being off a year and a half with the weight drop won't let us see the best Kirkland in the ring.