Golovkin is kinda heavy 30 days before the fight

[hathwell]

Golovkin is the most overrated fighter on earth.

I mean, all he's done is fight second class guys and light hitters who are tailor-made for his style and everyone proclaims him the greatest fighter alive and assumes he's gonna beat Ward, the #2 P4P guy on the planet?

Like, Can't we wait until he fights someone legitimately dangerous before anointing him the savior of Boxing?

And listen, the whole ducking thing is a two-way street. If he was really serious about being the best in the world he'd be willing to take on better opponents, and I for one have had it with the excuses. I mean, Murray is a nice little boxer but he's the perfect opponent for GGG. All he's gonna do is try to box him for 12 rounds and GGG is going to hunt him down and stop him because the guy couldn't bust a grape. He presents zero danger to Golovkin.

I see Canelo fighting world class boxers like Mayweather and lara and legit dangerous guys like Angulo and Kirkland, and I see Gennady fighting absolute bums like Curtis Stevens, Adama, etc.

I get that you guys like him and WANT him to be the best, similar to how MMA fans feel bout Conor McGregor right now, but it's time for GGG to step the fornicate up already.

Time is running out.

[ikorolev]

Oh, another brainless moron popped up. Name a middleweight you would like Golovkin to fight as a step up.

[Badhusker]

This thread is obviously made by someone that has never cut weight before. GGG 11 or 12 pounds away at 30 days? Last time he was 1 pound out a week before the fight. Now he should be fighting light heavy, but last fight he should have no problem cutting to 154?

If I need to explain more, I would be explaining to someone that has no clue to begin with, so don't ask.

[ikorolev]

This thread is obviously made by someone that has never cut weight before. GGG 11 or 12 pounds away at 30 days? Last time he was 1 pound out a week before the fight. Now he should be fighting light heavy, but last fight he should have no problem cutting to 154?

If I need to explain more, I would be explaining to someone that has no clue to begin with, so don't ask.

I absolutely didn't mean that Golovkin will have problems making 160. The fact that he became 7 pounds heavier does raise questions about him being able to make 154 without affecting his performance.

[tiny_acres]

This thread is obviously made by someone that has never cut weight before. GGG 11 or 12 pounds away at 30 days? Last time he was 1 pound out a week before the fight. Now he should be fighting light heavy, but last fight he should have no problem cutting to 154?

If I need to explain more, I would be explaining to someone that has no clue to begin with, so don't ask.

I absolutely didn't mean that Golovkin will have problems making 160. The fact that he became 7 pounds heavier does raise questions about him being able to make 154 without affecting his performance.

I have to agree. Making 154 seems far fetched to me.

[Badhusker]

This thread is obviously made by someone that has never cut weight before. GGG 11 or 12 pounds away at 30 days? Last time he was 1 pound out a week before the fight. Now he should be fighting light heavy, but last fight he should have no problem cutting to 154?

If I need to explain more, I would be explaining to someone that has no clue to begin with, so don't ask.

I absolutely didn't mean that Golovkin will have problems making 160. The fact that he became 7 pounds heavier does raise questions about him being able to make 154 without affecting his performance.

Sorry I guess I did misunderstand. Although I am sure he could make 154, he definitely would be drained and really sap his strength. Roach has already said to fight Cotto GGG would have to be in the mid 50's, which is bs.
By him being 161 a week out for his last fight, people I guess thought he was making 160 a bit too easily, but its actually good weight management on his part.

If Oscar can melt down to 145 (147 fight night for Pac) from 164 or 167? like he was fight night vs Floyd, he shows it can be done. It also shows how foolish that kind of weight drop can be. Stiverne should ask Oscar what real dehydration feels like.

[ikorolev]

Personally-speaking, I actually believe that the 160lb weight division is filled to the brim with mediocrity.

I also feel that Golovkin has limited options and it seems unlikely that he’ll be granted the opportunity to face either Canelo or Cotto in the short-term.

Miguel can probably receive a bigger payday against other opponents, whilst Oscar De La Hoya isn’t going to risk his cash-cow (Canelo) at such an early stage of his career (as he’s the only elite-level marquee name in his stable), especially when he’s not even a fully-fledged 160lb-er.

Golovkin has already said that he doesn’t want to fight Andre Ward, just yet, whilst Carl Froch is likely to retire very soon.

GGG is going to dominate the 160lb weight division for as long as he deems fit, but unfortunately for him, the lack of quality that he is able to face will tarnish his legacy and also the size of his bank balance.

Leonard disagrees about the MW division:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20150126 ... fight.html?

[hathwell]

Personally-speaking, I actually believe that the 160lb weight division is filled to the brim with mediocrity.

I also feel that Golovkin has limited options and it seems unlikely that he’ll be granted the opportunity to face either Canelo or Cotto in the short-term.

Miguel can probably receive a bigger payday against other opponents, whilst Oscar De La Hoya isn’t going to risk his cash-cow (Canelo) at such an early stage of his career (as he’s the only elite-level marquee name in his stable), especially when he’s not even a fully-fledged 160lb-er.

Golovkin has already said that he doesn’t want to fight Andre Ward, just yet, whilst Carl Froch is likely to retire very soon.

GGG is going to dominate the 160lb weight division for as long as he deems fit, but unfortunately for him, the lack of quality that he is able to face will tarnish his legacy and also the size of his bank balance.

Leonard disagrees about the MW division:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20150126 ... fight.html?

I don't believe Ray's thoughts are the polar opposite of mine.

He talks about Cotto, which is a fight I'd like to see, but it would be an easy win for GGG.

Having said that, Canelo and Cotto aren't going to face Golovkin anytime soon.

If you consider the Haymon verus HBO/Roc Nation/Top Rank situation, Gennady's options are limited.

GGG can achieve "greatness" as a long-time dominant Calzaghe-type unbeaten champ, who is always heavily favoured against all his peers, but I don't see him engaging in truly historic super-fights anytime soon.

There are no names in the 160lb weight class that you'd even give a remote chance of defying the odds to beat Golovkin... and that's a problem that will tarnish his legacy and restrict his earning potential!

Absolutely correct. In fact, 160 is probably the weakest division in all of Boxing right now.

That's part of the problem. The fights for GGG are at 154 and 168, and he's already said publicly that he's not ready for 168 and he doesn't want Ward. In the meantime, he's gonna stay in 160 and fight guys who are two or three levels below him.

Like I said, the ducking thing i a two-way street. If you are supposed to be this fearless conqueror of worlds, why are you afraid to move out of 160 or afraid to fight Andre Ward?

Question is rhetorical, of course.

[ikorolev]

Leonard disagrees about the MW division:

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/20150126 ... fight.html?

I don't believe Ray's thoughts are the polar opposite of mine.

He talks about Cotto, which is a fight I'd like to see, but it would be an easy win for GGG.

Having said that, Canelo and Cotto aren't going to face Golovkin anytime soon.

If you consider the Haymon verus HBO/Roc Nation/Top Rank situation, Gennady's options are limited.

GGG can achieve "greatness" as a long-time dominant Calzaghe-type unbeaten champ, who is always heavily favoured against all his peers, but I don't see him engaging in truly historic super-fights anytime soon.

There are no names in the 160lb weight class that you'd even give a remote chance of defying the odds to beat Golovkin... and that's a problem that will tarnish his legacy and restrict his earning potential!

Absolutely correct. In fact, 160 is probably the weakest division in all of Boxing right now.

That's part of the problem. The fights for GGG are at 154 and 168, and he's already said publicly that he's not ready for 168 and he doesn't want Ward. In the meantime, he's gonna stay in 160 and fight guys who are two or three levels below him.

Like I said, the ducking thing i a two-way street. If you are supposed to be this fearless conqueror of worlds, why are you afraid to move out of 160 or afraid to fight Andre Ward?

Question is rhetorical, of course.

... and Leonard disagrees with MW division being weak.

[hathwell]

So? Is Sugar Ray Leonard considered the Bible of Boxing or is he just a guy that used to fight?

Let's be real here. It's fine to love GGG and it's fine to think (think, mind you) that he's the greatest thing going but none of that means anything until he proves it against top guys. That's the difference between being Manny and, as someone alluded to earlier itt, Joe Calzaghe.

Andre Ward was won more than one fight in which he was the underdog. He's proven himself against top flight guys. Same with Floyd, Guillermo Rigondeaux, JMM, Manny, T. Crawford and even Danny Garcia. They've been in against top flight opposition and come out the better.

Up to this point, GGG has yet to fight someone that even poses a real threat to him, and until he does he can't possibly be regarded as a top 5 or even top 10 p4p guy.

Until he beats real top quality opposition, we are all just hoping, or assuming, he's as good he as want him to be.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Absolutely correct. In fact, 160 is probably the weakest division in all of Boxing right now.

That's part of the problem. The fights for GGG are at 154 and 168, and he's already said publicly that he's not ready for 168 and he doesn't want Ward. In the meantime, he's gonna stay in 160 and fight guys who are two or three levels below him.

Like I said, the ducking thing i a two-way street. If you are supposed to be this fearless conqueror of worlds, why are you afraid to move out of 160 or afraid to fight Andre Ward?

Question is rhetorical, of course.

He hasnt said hes not ready for 168, but that it'll take a Ppv type fight for him to venture out of his division. Remember when Top Rank sent him a contract for Chavez at smw, he signed asap. Offered to fight Froch in the Uk, no interest.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Andre Ward was won more than one fight in which he was the underdog.

Which ones are these? Kessler and?

[ikorolev]

So? Is Sugar Ray Leonard considered the Bible of Boxing or is he just a guy that used to fight?

He is definitely closer to being a boxing bible than somebody named "hathwell" or anybody else in this forum.

... none of that means anything until he proves it against top guys. That's the difference between being Manny and, as someone alluded to earlier itt, Joe Calzaghe.
...
Until he beats real top quality opposition, we are all just hoping, or assuming, he's as good he as want him to be.

Again, which top guys at middleweight do you mean ?

He easily beats the best available opposition at his weight, and his weight is no worse than most of the other weights.

[Aaronide_ger]

Ward's most credible opponents:

- Mikkel Kessler - 168
- Carl Froch - 168
- Arthur Abraham - 168
- Chad Dawson - 168

At 168 Lb, Golovkin Knocks all of these guys out inside 6-10 rounds

Ward has never experienced the kind of power GGG produces, the guy drops Cruiserweights. That being said I believe any single gameplan Ward might have against GGG will be f**king ruined when he gets hit flush.. WHICH HE WILL.. Boone dropped him Golovkin kills him

[hurricanemitch14]

Ward's most credible opponents:

- Mikkel Kessler - 168
- Carl Froch - 168
- Arthur Abraham - 168
- Chad Dawson - 168

At 168 Lb, Golovkin Knocks all of these guys out inside 6-10 rounds

Ward has never experienced the kind of power GGG produces, the guy drops Cruiserweights. That being said I believe any single gameplan Ward might have against GGG will be f**king ruined when he gets hit flush.. WHICH HE WILL.. Boone dropped him Golovkin kills him

Well one of these days GGG will grow some balls and get tired of fighting Curtis Stevens and he will fight Ward and he will get bullied around and lose a wide dec.

[hurricanemitch14]

Ward's most credible opponents:

- Mikkel Kessler - 168
- Carl Froch - 168
- Arthur Abraham - 168
- Chad Dawson - 168

At 168 Lb, Golovkin Knocks all of these guys out inside 6-10 rounds

Ward has never experienced the kind of power GGG produces, the guy drops Cruiserweights. That being said I believe any single gameplan Ward might have against GGG will be f**king ruined when he gets hit flush.. WHICH HE WILL.. Boone dropped him Golovkin kills him

Boone has dropped alot of fighters and also Boone dropped him at 160lbs, Ward then decided to go to 168 bc he was weight drained and he hasn't blinked since. Boone has a 2nd rd ko of Stevenson also by the way.

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

Ward's most credible opponents:

- Mikkel Kessler - 168
- Carl Froch - 168
- Arthur Abraham - 168
- Chad Dawson - 168

At 168 Lb, Golovkin Knocks all of these guys out inside 6-10 rounds

Ward has never experienced the kind of power GGG produces, the guy drops Cruiserweights. That being said I believe any single gameplan Ward might have against GGG will be f**king ruined when he gets hit flush.. WHICH HE WILL.. Boone dropped him Golovkin kills him

Well one of these days GGG will grow some balls and get tired of fighting Curtis Stevens and he will fight Ward and he will get bullied around and lose a wide dec.

It's not just the balls, there's gotta be an offer. Hopefully after he's done with his tuneups, Ward will finally make one, now that he has big money behind him. But if you feel it'll take a p4p #2 one division up to expose him, that already tells a story. Ward never went up, and his best win is Froch, who very few had rated p4p then.

[crusader]

About what? Are the pictures below also food for thought?

[Purse Bid Shakedown]

"The size difference between Cotto and Golovkin"

http://www.BS.com/forums/showt ... p?t=645831

Food for thought? :??

Sounds like Cotto should drop that belt if he's too small to defend it

[Badhusker]

I would like to see GGG fight Quillen, Cotto, and Canelo at 160. Andrade and Lara could move up too making it more interesting. I don't see what's wrong with cleaning out the division first before moving up. He's not there yet.

Ward should be wanting to move up for more competition before GGG since he has cleaned out his division for the most part. Ward wouldn't even discuss it (catchweight) with Dawson, and I guess since Dawson called Ward out, he had to melt down. How about if Ward calls GGG out, he has to cut to 160 to meet him?
Just think GGG should at least be on the same standard. You don't see Ward offering to meet him halfway, or really wanting the fight himself. He will take it, but it will have to be at 168.

[ikorolev]

By the time they fight, Ward will probably have hard time making 168. I expect GGG to handle him well at 168.

[Impractical Poster]

Him weighing 172, in all likelihood, means nothing at all. Fans look into things that really need not much attention.

[ikorolev]

Looks much better now:

http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/wbc-7-d ... 165-279109?

"From his training camp in Big Bear Lake, California, Golovkin, the WBA/IBO and WBC ‘Interim’ Middleweight Champion weighed in at 163lbs. while top rated challenger Murray hit the scale at 165lbs. on Saturday morning in Johannesburg, South Africa."

[Butterbean]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/gen ... y-weights/?

Golovkin 172 lbs, Murray 169 lbs.

30 days before Rubio fight, GGG was 165 lbs, now he is 7 lbs heavier. New training plan or just not taking Murray seriously ?

Which shows how big of a guy 3G really is but he wants to fight a 146lb Mayweather who walks around at that same weight. It's no new training plan, why does it have to be some type of science or nutritional thing going on with him, why can he be at his normal walk around weight before he gets his final cut in?

3G will lose the weight and be well within his MW limit by the time the fight rolls around but he is naturally a LHW.

Dude, please stop

[Baby Face Finster]

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/01/gen ... y-weights/?

Golovkin 172 lbs, Murray 169 lbs.

30 days before Rubio fight, GGG was 165 lbs, now he is 7 lbs heavier. New training plan or just not taking Murray seriously ?

Which shows how big of a guy 3G really is but he wants to fight a 146lb Mayweather who walks around at that same weight. It's no new training plan, why does it have to be some type of science or nutritional thing going on with him, why can he be at his normal walk around weight before he gets his final cut in?

3G will lose the weight and be well within his MW limit by the time the fight rolls around but he is naturally a LHW.

Dude, please stop

What a tool. And he claims to like the G-Train.