Most blantant dive taken in a fight?

[handsofstone]

Most recent one I can think of is Jean Pascal tapping Roberto Bolonti to the deck followed by 10 minutes of lying down for a rest and some extra oxygen

[palooka]

If we are going by that standard of dive then I have to say Kermit Cintron against Paul Williams. Ive never seen a fighter run and dive out of the ring like that.

I had just come on here to remind everyone of Kermits vault; that was pure class - if you're gonna take a dive, do it right

[BoxBuzz]

Was Cintron's a Dive? Or fear/flight instinct? Did he ever address it on the record?

[palooka]

It was a frog hop

[Dart340]

Obscure fight, but Eddie Mustafa Muhammad against a journeyman named Elvis Parks on I think an old USA show. Parks hits the canvas immediately. Eddie gets interviewed and is talking about "I hit him so hard I could feel it down to my toes". While he's talking they are showing a slow motion replay of the "knockout" and the punch missed by three or four inches to where you could see the light. Absolutely comical.

[tiny_acres]

Obscure fight, but Eddie Mustafa Muhammad against a journeyman named Elvis Parks on I think an old USA show. Parks hits the canvas immediately. Eddie gets interviewed and is talking about "I hit him so hard I could feel it down to my toes". While he's talking they are showing a slow motion replay of the "knockout" and the punch missed by three or four inches to where you could see the light. Absolutely comical.

I don't remember that one. I would love to see it

[evrenb]

Hasim Rahman in his second fight with Lennox.

[Roars Like Me]

I seem to remember the Scott/Wilder one got a fair amount of attention.

[Roars Like Me]

Hasim Rahman in his second fight with Lennox.

Oh yes and Hearns v Duran for that matter

[evrenb]

Hasim Rahman in his second fight with Lennox.

Oh yes and Hearns v Duran for that matter

lol - as blatant as it gets!

[Tuan_Jim]

Isn't Luis Santana the King of Dives? He elevated diving to such an art that he could overcome pound 4 pound fighters and win world titles.

[L.A. kidd]

liston vs muhammed ali 2

the biggest shame of boxing, bar none.

[Ilya Muromets]

............

[yancey]

liston vs muhammed ali 2

the biggest shame of boxing, bar none.

You've got it.

Hard to believe we are coming up on the 50th anniversary of that farce.

[Ilya Muromets]

liston vs muhammed ali 2

the biggest shame of boxing, bar none.

The first one wasn't any better. The news guys interviewed people leaving the arena after the second one. They couldn't find one person who believed it was on the level. Now the media makes Clay out to be some kind of boxing deity. He was a good showman, but many of his fights were fixed.

[Tuan_Jim]

Oh God, Duce is repeating his old Ali groove.

Let's all make sure we observe the usual practice. Ignore the "conversations" between him and his five, six fake profiles and eventually he loses heart. What an empty, empty life.

[Ilya Muromets]

Oh God, Duce....

WTF is this idiot going on about? It was on another thread going on about "Duce" too.

[SenorPipino]

Never thought for a moment that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive bout.
Where was the dive?

Liston gets hit with a short right to the jaw and goes down. See it all the time in boxing. He rolls around AND GETS UP. If you're going to take a dive, you stay down, not get up and resume fighting. (He did get up, a fact so many seem to forget or conveniently ignore.)
Only the anti-Ali minions insist nearly 50 years after the bout that it was less than kosher. Just another lame attempt to diminish the GOAT's legend.


Best dive I ever witnessed--in person, no less---was former heavyweight contender Billy Daniels going down and out from absolutely nothing against Pedro Lovell.
Lovell was a rising star in this 1970s clash at the Olympic Auditorium, but Daniels was being tabbed as the Argentine's most dangerous foe yet. He was coming off a close defeat to Duane Bobick and many L.A. sharpies thought that the aging Daniels would upset Lovell.

The "match" lasted about 2 minutes with Lovell pawing a few jabs at Daniels, who suddenly and inexplicably collapsed with nary a serious blow aimed at him. Needless to say, the Olympic crowd, not known for being a genteel bunch, littered the ring with debris over this sham.

I think I paid $10 for the privilege of witnessing this hokum, and I made my displeasure known by quickly rifling off a letter to Aileen Eaton.
To her credit, the crusty promoter responded and apologized for the bogus bout, offering me 2 free tickets to an upcoming Olympic card.
I wonder if Arum, de la Hoya or any other top promoter would do the same today?

[Syntax Error]

Never thought for a moment that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive bout.
Where was the dive?Liston gets hit with a short right to the jaw and goes down. See it all the time in boxing. He rolls around AND GETS UP. If you're going to take a dive, you stay down, not get up and resume fighting. (He did get up, a fact so many seem to forget or conveniently ignore.)
Only the anti-Ali minions insist nearly 50 years after the bout that it was less than kosher. Just another lame attempt to diminish the GOAT's legend.


Best dive I ever witnessed--in person, no less---was former heavyweight contender Billy Daniels going down and out from absolutely nothing against Pedro Lovell.
Lovell was a rising star in this 1970s clash at the Olympic Auditorium, but Daniels was being tabbed as the Argentine's most dangerous foe yet. He was coming off a close defeat to Duane Bobick and many L.A. sharpies thought that the aging Daniels would upset Lovell.

The "match" lasted about 2 minutes with Lovell pawing a few jabs at Daniels, who suddenly and inexplicably collapsed with nary a serious blow aimed at him. Needless to say, the Olympic crowd, not known for being a genteel bunch, littered the ring with debris over this sham.

I think I paid $10 for the privilege of witnessing this hokum, and I made my displeasure known by quickly rifling off a letter to Aileen Eaton.
To her credit, the crusty promoter responded and apologized for the bogus bout, offering me 2 free tickets to an upcoming Olympic card.
I wonder if Arum, de la Hoya or any other top promoter would do the same today?

True, but you're just going to end up going round in circles with it.

[Ilya Muromets]

Never thought for a moment that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive bout.
Where was the dive?

Liston gets hit with a short right to the jaw and goes down. See it all the time in boxing. He rolls around AND GETS UP. If you're going to take a dive, you stay down, not get up and resume fighting. (He did get up, a fact so many seem to forget or conveniently ignore.)
Only the anti-Ali minions insist nearly 50 years after the bout that it was less than kosher....

Yeah right, "only the anti-Ali minions".

Liston did what they told him to. He fell down and he stayed down for well over ten seconds.

Ali never had one punch knockout power, nor was Liston otherwise ever knocked down anything like that.

Some quotes from "anti-Ali minions":

Mark Kram of Sports Illustrated said Liston told him: "That guy [Ali] was crazy. I didn't want anything to do with him. And the Muslims were coming up. Who needed that? So I went down. I wasn't hit."

Wilfred Sheed offered his opinion in his 1975 book, Muhammad Ali: A Portrait in Words and Photographs, writing that Liston was going to throw the fight going in and, when he suffered a legitimate flash knockdown in round one, decided on the spot to seize the opportunity and end the fight. It was Walcott's confusion and Ali's behavior that forced Liston to feign disorientation for far longer than a knockdown of that type would have caused.

During a 1995 HBO documentary about Liston, Johnny Tocco, who owned a boxing gym in Las Vegas, said he spoke with mobster John Vitale before the rematch and was told not to pay any attention to what he heard about the fight. He also told Tocco that he should be glad that he wasn't going to Lewiston. When Tocco asked why, Vitale told him that the fight was going to end in the first round.

During the same documentary, former FBI agent William F. Roemer Jr. said, "We learned that there very definitely had been a fix in that fight." He said Bernie Glickman, a boxing manager from Chicago with mob ties, claimed that while he was conversing with Liston and his wife before the fight, Liston's wife told the ex-champion that as long as he had to lose the fight, he should go down early to avoid any chance of getting hurt.

In the wake of the controversial fight, there was an outcry by press and politicians for the abolition of boxing. Bills to ban the sport were planned in several state legislatures.


They interviewed people as they were leaving the fight, and they couldn't find one that thought it was legit.

[Ilya Muromets]

Only the anti-Ray Edwards minions insist that this fight was less than kosher -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... l=85027636

[Ilya Muromets]

The first Liston - Clay fight wasn't any better than the second.




The Mirror:

Revealed: FBI believed legendary fight between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston was FIXED by Las Vegas mob

14:08, 25 February 2014
By Christopher Bucktin

Secret documents unearthed 50 years after the classic battle claim Liston was paid off by a mob boss to lose


The FBI believed the legendary fight between Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston was FIXED by mob bosses, secret documents revealed on the 50th anniversary of the bout reveal...


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ht-3181991

[yancey]

Never thought for a moment that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive bout.
Where was the dive?

Liston gets hit with a short right to the jaw and goes down. See it all the time in boxing. He rolls around AND GETS UP. If you're going to take a dive, you stay down, not get up and resume fighting. (He did get up, a fact so many seem to forget or conveniently ignore.)
Only the anti-Ali minions insist nearly 50 years after the bout that it was less than kosher....

Yeah right, "only the anti-Ali minions".

Liston did what they told him to. He fell down and he stayed down for well over ten seconds.

Ali never had one punch knockout power, nor was Liston otherwise ever knocked down anything like that.

Some quotes from "anti-Ali minions":

Mark Kram of Sports Illustrated said Liston told him: "That guy [Ali] was crazy. I didn't want anything to do with him. And the Muslims were coming up. Who needed that? So I went down. I wasn't hit."

Wilfred Sheed offered his opinion in his 1975 book, Muhammad Ali: A Portrait in Words and Photographs, writing that Liston was going to throw the fight going in and, when he suffered a legitimate flash knockdown in round one, decided on the spot to seize the opportunity and end the fight. It was Walcott's confusion and Ali's behavior that forced Liston to feign disorientation for far longer than a knockdown of that type would have caused.

During a 1995 HBO documentary about Liston, Johnny Tocco, who owned a boxing gym in Las Vegas, said he spoke with mobster John Vitale before the rematch and was told not to pay any attention to what he heard about the fight. He also told Tocco that he should be glad that he wasn't going to Lewiston. When Tocco asked why, Vitale told him that the fight was going to end in the first round.

During the same documentary, former FBI agent William F. Roemer Jr. said, "We learned that there very definitely had been a fix in that fight." He said Bernie Glickman, a boxing manager from Chicago with mob ties, claimed that while he was conversing with Liston and his wife before the fight, Liston's wife told the ex-champion that as long as he had to lose the fight, he should go down early to avoid any chance of getting hurt.

In the wake of the controversial fight, there was an outcry by press and politicians for the abolition of boxing. Bills to ban the sport were planned in several state legislatures.


They interviewed people as they were leaving the fight, and they couldn't find one that thought it was legit.

Anyone that thinks the outcome of Ali-Liston II was legit and that Sonny was kayoed from that joke of a punch is too damn delusional to waste conversation with.

Look how Sonny "collapsed" while on one knee when he figured out Jersey Joe had not counted him out.

Let me guess, it was a delayed neuro-muscular reaction from the devastating effects of the punch.

The whole thing was a freaking joke.

[palooka]

Nicky Cook v Ricky Burns was a blinder.

[SenorPipino]

You guys that stick to the party line proclaiming that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive (I like when guys present "evidence" by quoting honest-joe mobsters. Real convincing stuff!) also probably argue that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. Monroe was murdered. Robert Kennedy was assassinated by the LAPD. Hauptmann was framed.

You wacky conspiracy buffs. Gotta love 'em.