Who will Khan fight next?

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I cant see khan fighting until after the Floyd vs. Manny fight, Brook is the next person I would match khan against just because of how big that fight would be in the UK and how much noise it would make for either of them winning.

but with Brook already fighting Jo Jo Dan to defend his title now that he has recovered from his stabbing, khan will have to get in line to fight him as well.

I don't think this will happen but I would like to see Khan fight Marquez, that fight sets him up against the winner of Floyd vs. Manny and its a good gauge of how he would do against both of them
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People actually think Khan can beat Floyd. :lol:
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I'd like to see Khan/Porter, just because Porter is the exact opposite type of fighter from Alexander, and there'd also be the storyline of whether Khan can perform as well as Brook against a common opponent.

I strongly doubt this fight happens though. Porter seems like the type of guy Khan would avoid while waiting to win the Mayweather sweepstakes.
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jujigatame wrote:I'd like to see Khan/Porter, just because Porter is the exact opposite type of fighter from Alexander, and there'd also be the storyline of whether Khan can perform as well as Brook against a common opponent.

I strongly doubt this fight happens though. Porter seems like the type of guy Khan would avoid while waiting to win the Mayweather sweepstakes.
Khan had a chance to fight Porter, Thurman, or Guerrero, and all three would have been better wins than Alexander. Khan took the path of least resistance, obviously. He could have seen how he measured up with either a common opponent of Floyd's or Brook's, but didn't. Instead he took the Alexander fight a year late, and after he lost, and still seems like it carries the same weight. The guy is hard to figure out. I also can't figure out why he avoids fighting Brook.
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davie wrote:This is a funny one. Back when Khan fought Maidana and Bradley fought Devon at light welter, i said Bradley would walk though Amir if they met. But now I don't think Bradley could live with Amir.
Khan has fought Molina, Diaz, Collazo and Alexander in his last four.
Bradley has fought Manny, Provodnikov, JMM, Manny, and Chavez in his last five.

.. and somehow you've concluded that Khan is the fighter on the up? Khan would get brutalized by Bradley because he simply can't handle consistent pressure. Bradley would also be the most skilled fighter Khan has ever faced. Even if Khan is the fastest fighter Bradley has ever faced, he's not that much faster than Manny, so Bradley won't be overwhelmed.

I don't know what makes people continue to pick Khan even though he is a PROVEN (many times) average fighter with excellent speed. And no, he can't put it all together one night because he is NOT that good.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
davie wrote:This is a funny one. Back when Khan fought Maidana and Bradley fought Devon at light welter, i said Bradley would walk though Amir if they met. But now I don't think Bradley could live with Amir.
Khan has fought Molina, Diaz, Collazo and Alexander in his last four.
Bradley has fought Manny, Provodnikov, JMM, Manny, and Chavez in his last five.

.. and somehow you've concluded that Khan is the fighter on the up? Khan would get brutalized by Bradley because he simply can't handle consistent pressure. Bradley would also be the most skilled fighter Khan has ever faced. Even if Khan is the fastest fighter Bradley has ever faced, he's not that much faster than Manny, so Bradley won't be overwhelmed.

I don't know what makes people continue to pick Khan even though he is a PROVEN (many times) average fighter with excellent speed. And no, he can't put it all together one night because he is NOT that good.
I keep saying it. Khan is B-level AT BEST.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
davie wrote:This is a funny one. Back when Khan fought Maidana and Bradley fought Devon at light welter, i said Bradley would walk though Amir if they met. But now I don't think Bradley could live with Amir.
Khan has fought Molina, Diaz, Collazo and Alexander in his last four.
Bradley has fought Manny, Provodnikov, JMM, Manny, and Chavez in his last five.

.. and somehow you've concluded that Khan is the fighter on the up? Khan would get brutalized by Bradley because he simply can't handle consistent pressure. Bradley would also be the most skilled fighter Khan has ever faced. Even if Khan is the fastest fighter Bradley has ever faced, he's not that much faster than Manny, so Bradley won't be overwhelmed.

I don't know what makes people continue to pick Khan even though he is a PROVEN (many times) average fighter with excellent speed. And no, he can't put it all together one night because he is NOT that good.
Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.

we can always pick up facts and figures, throw names about to make a point.
I just honestly feel, based on the impressive nature of the Alexander win, that Khan has stepped up. even in the fights he lost early in his career he was dominating opponents, hell he was all over the current no1 LWW before he walked into that right hand

The reason I give Khan a chance against Mayweather is not because he is as good or better than floyd, it's about styles and I think that with Khans speed and the right tactics he can cause Floyd problems. Will he win? maybe not, but we will see if it happens. But I don't think Floyd will fight him as he will not want to face someone that quick.

As we're talking about styles, you mention Khan not being able to deal with constant pressure, I don't think it is pressure that beats Khan, it's landing the right punch and wobbling him thats been his undoing so far.
Bradley does not have the power to stop Khan, he has 2 stoppages in his last 18 fights. The pressure Bradley applies will give anyone a test, but I think Khans superior height, reach and hand speed could keep him off long enough to take enough rounds to take a decision. (I accept perhaps the statement that Bradley couldn't live with Amir was perhaps a tad OTT). But I would fancy Khan for the decision against Bradley in a thoroughly entertaining bout

I think Bradley would have got to Khan at LWW, as Khan looked a lot skinnier and fragile at LWW, made a lot more mistakes and didn't have Hunter keeping him right.
Bradley looked solid against most LWWs and was a machine, now I feel he tries to box a lot more and doesn't have that intimidating physical presence anymore IMO
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davie wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
davie wrote:This is a funny one. Back when Khan fought Maidana and Bradley fought Devon at light welter, i said Bradley would walk though Amir if they met. But now I don't think Bradley could live with Amir.
Khan has fought Molina, Diaz, Collazo and Alexander in his last four.
Bradley has fought Manny, Provodnikov, JMM, Manny, and Chavez in his last five.

.. and somehow you've concluded that Khan is the fighter on the up? Khan would get brutalized by Bradley because he simply can't handle consistent pressure. Bradley would also be the most skilled fighter Khan has ever faced. Even if Khan is the fastest fighter Bradley has ever faced, he's not that much faster than Manny, so Bradley won't be overwhelmed.

I don't know what makes people continue to pick Khan even though he is a PROVEN (many times) average fighter with excellent speed. And no, he can't put it all together one night because he is NOT that good.
Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.

we can always pick up facts and figures, throw names about to make a point.
I just honestly feel, based on the impressive nature of the Alexander win, that Khan has stepped up. even in the fights he lost early in his career he was dominating opponents, hell he was all over the current no1 LWW before he walked into that right hand

The reason I give Khan a chance against Mayweather is not because he is as good or better than floyd, it's about styles and I think that with Khans speed and the right tactics he can cause Floyd problems. Will he win? maybe not, but we will see if it happens. But I don't think Floyd will fight him as he will not want to face someone that quick.

As we're talking about styles, you mention Khan not being able to deal with constant pressure, I don't think it is pressure that beats Khan, it's landing the right punch and wobbling him thats been his undoing so far.
Bradley does not have the power to stop Khan, he has 2 stoppages in his last 18 fights. The pressure Bradley applies will give anyone a test, but I think Khans superior height, reach and hand speed could keep him off long enough to take enough rounds to take a decision. (I accept perhaps the statement that Bradley couldn't live with Amir was perhaps a tad OTT). But I would fancy Khan for the decision against Bradley in a thoroughly entertaining bout

I think Bradley would have got to Khan at LWW, as Khan looked a lot skinnier and fragile at LWW, made a lot more mistakes and didn't have Hunter keeping him right.
Bradley looked solid against most LWWs and was a machine, now I feel he tries to box a lot more and doesn't have that intimidating physical presence anymore IMO
Khan won't beat Floyd. Other than speed, Khan has nothing to offer.

Reach? Floyd is the one with the longer reach?

Height? Khan is an inch taller, at MOST.

Power? Khan's power is decent at best.
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VG_Addict wrote:
davie wrote:
Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.

we can always pick up facts and figures, throw names about to make a point.
I just honestly feel, based on the impressive nature of the Alexander win, that Khan has stepped up. even in the fights he lost early in his career he was dominating opponents, hell he was all over the current no1 LWW before he walked into that right hand

The reason I give Khan a chance against Mayweather is not because he is as good or better than floyd, it's about styles and I think that with Khans speed and the right tactics he can cause Floyd problems. Will he win? maybe not, but we will see if it happens. But I don't think Floyd will fight him as he will not want to face someone that quick.

As we're talking about styles, you mention Khan not being able to deal with constant pressure, I don't think it is pressure that beats Khan, it's landing the right punch and wobbling him thats been his undoing so far.
Bradley does not have the power to stop Khan, he has 2 stoppages in his last 18 fights. The pressure Bradley applies will give anyone a test, but I think Khans superior height, reach and hand speed could keep him off long enough to take enough rounds to take a decision. (I accept perhaps the statement that Bradley couldn't live with Amir was perhaps a tad OTT). But I would fancy Khan for the decision against Bradley in a thoroughly entertaining bout

I think Bradley would have got to Khan at LWW, as Khan looked a lot skinnier and fragile at LWW, made a lot more mistakes and didn't have Hunter keeping him right.
Bradley looked solid against most LWWs and was a machine, now I feel he tries to box a lot more and doesn't have that intimidating physical presence anymore IMO
Khan won't beat Floyd. Other than speed, Khan has nothing to offer.

Reach? Floyd is the one with the longer reach? (I was talking about Khan vs Bradley)

Height? Khan is an inch taller, at MOST. (again, in reference to Bradley)

Power? Khan's power is decent at best. (Didn't mention Khans power, I was talking about Bradleys power, as I think your best shot at beating Khan is with 1 hard accurate punch, Bradley does not possess that = it goes to cards = IMHO Khan win regardless of his punch power)
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davie wrote:Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.
as long as you're going to use the "(and everyone knows it)" for the first pac fight, then we
might as well just admit the marquez split decision and chavez scoring were about as generous
as you can be toward bradley's opponents on those cards, and you say 40 year old marquez
like that means what exactly? you don't have marquez in your top 5 welters? top 10?
i would pick jmm by ko over khan unless marquez is worse than his last 2 times out.
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sucracristo wrote:
davie wrote:Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.
as long as you're going to use the "(and everyone knows it)" for the first pac fight, then we
might as well just admit the marquez split decision and chavez scoring were about as generous
as you can be toward bradley's opponents on those cards, and you say 40 year old marquez
like that means what exactly? you don't have marquez in your top 5 welters? top 10?
i would pick jmm by ko over khan unless marquez is worse than his last 2 times out.
I totally ignored his comments about Bradley. Besides the clear bias in the way he presented the outcomes of the fight, he failed to mention that all of Bradley's past four opponents would knock Khan out.

But to pick up on the JMM point. Khan has speed, but he doesn't have the positioning of Floyd. JMM would set traps early and hurt Khan during exchanges. Who exchanges fire in close quarters like JMM? By the 7th or 8th round, JMM would be walking him down.
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sucracristo wrote:
davie wrote:Bradley has fought Manny - lost (and everyone knows it), Provodnikov - scraped through a war, JMM - split decision against a 40 year old, Manny - lost comfortably, and Chavez - draw with a guy who lost to rios and thurman in his last five five.
as long as you're going to use the "(and everyone knows it)" for the first pac fight, then we
might as well just admit the marquez split decision and chavez scoring were about as generous
as you can be toward bradley's opponents on those cards, and you say 40 year old marquez
like that means what exactly? you don't have marquez in your top 5 welters? top 10?
i would pick jmm by ko over khan unless marquez is worse than his last 2 times out.
And in the very next line I stated...."we can always pick up facts and figures, throw names about to make a point."

I was doing exactly the same thing to make a point, it's very easy to handpick titbits of info to try and make a case, but there is so very often so much more than just cherry picking names and results.
In arguing against what i said (clearly not recognising that that is exactly what I was doing, despite me explaining it in the very next line), you have in fact made my point for me.
Thanks!!!
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davie wrote:more than just cherry picking names and results.
:KO: unh hunh
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So many people want Floyd to lose so badly, that they dream up guys that might have a chance. Khan vs Floyd would be competitive for a while, and Khan's speed would be a factor. The thing most don't realize is that Floyd has dealt with fast fighters, big punchers, south paws, switch hitters, 20 lb weight handicaps, etc, etc, etc.

Floyd fighting Khan is a nothing fight in terms of what Floyd gains from it. Would Khan "trouble" Floyd for a while? Yes. Speed is one of the many things that makes you successful as a boxer, but only one. If a guy like Diaz, (blown up lightweight next to retirement) could beat Khan to the punch, and beat him, (like many thought he did) Floyd would cruise against Khan. Diaz is not known to be fast, a big puncher, etc, but put Khan on his ass and had him hurt several times in the bout.

Alexander and Collazo are gatekeepers. Good wins for Khan, but he has work to do in order to be considered elite in the welterweight division. Why do you think Khan turned down fights with Porter, Thurman, and Guerrero?

Khan reminded us all why he turned down the fight with Brook. Brook is way below Khan's level, and isn't worthy of a Khan fight apparently. He must have forgot that Brook beat down the guy that beat down the guy that Khan beat?
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Badhusker wrote:So many people want Floyd to lose so badly, that they dream up guys that might have a chance. Khan vs Floyd would be competitive for a while, and Khan's speed would be a factor. The thing most don't realize is that Floyd has dealt with fast fighters, big punchers, south paws, switch hitters, 20 lb weight handicaps, etc, etc, etc.

Floyd fighting Khan is a nothing fight in terms of what Floyd gains from it. Would Khan "trouble" Floyd for a while? Yes. Speed is one of the many things that makes you successful as a boxer, but only one. If a guy like Diaz, (blown up lightweight next to retirement) could beat Khan to the punch, and beat him, (like many thought he did) Floyd would cruise against Khan. Diaz is not known to be fast, a big puncher, etc, but put Khan on his ass and had him hurt several times in the bout.

Alexander and Collazo are gatekeepers. Good wins for Khan, but he has work to do in order to be considered elite in the welterweight division. Why do you think Khan turned down fights with Porter, Thurman, and Guerrero?

Khan reminded us all why he turned down the fight with Brook. Brook is way below Khan's level, and isn't worthy of a Khan fight apparently. He must have forgot that Brook beat down the guy that beat down the guy that Khan beat?
I would pick Brook to beat Khan. Brook is naturally bigger, has a great jab, hits harder, and has great timing, which will negate Khan's speed.

People say that Khan beats boxers. Ignoring the fact that Floyd is much, MUCH more skilled than the likes of Malignaggi, Alexander, and Kotelnik.
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Kell who? :OhYes: Khan says Brook isn't even close to his level. Khan says he is being mentioned among the big names like Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Cotto. He claims they don't even know who Kell Brook is, and that tells the whole story. :roll:
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If Ramadan is in june, am I the only guy that think khan has to get a fight in before that. He has to fight more than 1 time a year if he's going to climb the rankings in my opinion. (Not that my 2 cents matters much because he's still in line to get big fights at welterweight despite the fact that he has done nothing).

Having said that, his options are fairly limited. Maidana has to be the lead contender simply because of availability and promotional / cold warish type issues. After that it gets sort of iffy with potential matchups like Sadam Ali perhaps or some weird sort of catchweight against Miguel Cotto. Options are REALLY limited
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