Most blantant dive taken in a fight?

[polecateddy]

Dean Francis v Buster Keeton was an obvious one in Prizefighter.

[TheWigwam]

Came on here to mention Augustus - Vester but you lot are very good
Zhang Zhilei's debut, Teddy Atlas going on about his opponent having a glass shoulder

[palooka]

Dean Francis v Buster Keeton was an obvious one in Prizefighter.

Keeton gave that result as the most satisfying of his career in a Q&A.

[polecateddy]

Dean Francis v Buster Keeton was an obvious one in Prizefighter.

Keeton gave that result as the most satisfying of his career in a Q&A.

I doubt he believes it was for real either.

[Ilya Muromets]

There have been countless fixed fights and dives in boxing, but the title of this thread is "Most blatant dive", and my entry, posted above, wins. No contest. Contest over. I won. Here it is again:

Most blantant dive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... l=85027636

Compared to this little feller, the acting in the two Liston-Clay things were Academy Award winners!

[hhaehre]

You guys that stick to the party line proclaiming that Ali-Liston 2 was a dive (I like when guys present "evidence" by quoting honest-joe mobsters. Real convincing stuff!) also probably argue that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. Monroe was murdered. Robert Kennedy was assassinated by the LAPD. Hauptmann was framed.

You wacky conspiracy buffs. Gotta love 'em.

I don't know why Liston stayed down but I just can't believe that such a punch could legitimately knock him out. If I were to venture a guess, I think he was caught by a punch he didn't see for a flash kd. While down he decided to quit but Jersey Joe botched the count to such a degree that he finally had to get off the canvas.

[BoxBuzz]

There have been countless fixed fights and dives in boxing, but the title of this thread is "Most blatant dive", and my entry, posted above, wins. No contest. Contest over. I won. Here it is again:

Most blantant dive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... l=85027636

Compared to this little feller, the acting in the two Liston-Clay things were Academy Award winners!

I slowed this down, and there MAY be a punch that discombobulates this hapless fella that we can't see when the larger fighter's back is to us. Do you see this? Thus making the punch that does not land appear to turn this into a clown affair. Which by the way....is very similar to the punch that DID NOT LAND that Ali threw in the second Liston fight. You can not imagine how many people feel that the punch that Ali clearly misses is the punch that Liston reacts to. Which is partly why the whole affair became so legendary. There's really no excuse for that sort of laziness but it was rampant at the time. As long as people are discussing the punch that DID land...well it's at least a genuine discussion.


Do you think this fighter based on his conditioning could have "mentally and physically" reacted to the punch that did not land? He don't look that sharp to me. However it's not impossible.....and if he was in genuine fear, perhaps he could have reacted that fast, could it be coincidental? But damn, it clearly looks like he reacted to the uppercut that never lands. Based on what can NOT be seen, it could be inconclusive. He's wobblin' pretty good from the moment the bigger fighter has his back to us, to the time he falls flat.

I'm not at all saying your wrong, just that a close look reveals a POSSIBLE alternative explanation. just sharing what I observed.

[Controversial]

and my entry, posted above, wins. No contest. Contest over. I won. Here it is again:

Most blantant dive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... l=85027636

Except I posted this "fight" before you did on page 1 of this thread

[BoxBuzz]

It looks like a mismatch going in, seems if he had not faked it , it may well have taken the same path. lol.

[Ilya Muromets]

I don't know why Liston stayed down but I just can't believe that such a punch could legitimately knock him out. If I were to venture a guess, I think he was caught by a punch he didn't see for a flash kd. While down he decided to quit but Jersey Joe botched the count to such a degree that he finally had to get off the canvas.

That's close to Sheed's theory. From my 29 Jan post:

Wilfred Sheed offered his opinion in his 1975 book, Muhammad Ali: A Portrait in Words and Photographs, writing that Liston was going to throw the fight going in and, when he suffered a legitimate flash knockdown in round one, decided on the spot to seize the opportunity and end the fight. It was Walcott's confusion and Ali's behavior that forced Liston to feign disorientation for far longer than a knockdown of that type would have caused.

[Ilya Muromets]

There have been countless fixed fights and dives in boxing, but the title of this thread is "Most blatant dive", and my entry, posted above, wins. No contest. Contest over. I won. Here it is again:

Most blantant dive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... l=85027636

Compared to this little feller, the acting in the two Liston-Clay things were Academy Award winners!

I slowed this down, and there MAY be a punch that discombobulates this hapless fella that we can't see when the larger fighter's back is to us. Do you see this? Thus making the punch that does not land appear to turn this into a clown affair. ....

Yes, I do see what you're talking about, brother, but I think you're grasping at straws. Hey, I would have done the same thing if I was some little drunken fat guy recruited from a bar stool and offered $100 beer money for a few minutes of goofing off, only I would have fallen down more gently. Guy could hurt himself jumping in the air like that.

[Ilya Muromets]

Except I posted this "fight" before you did on page 1 of this thread

I missed that. Sorry. Drat, I thought I had won!

[Ilya Muromets]

It looks like a mismatch going in, seems if he had not faked it , it may well have taken the same path. lol.

A mismatch is an understatement. What kind of match making crap is that if they want to pretend that boxing is a legitimate sport? A giant professional football player, Ray Edwards, 6'5", 258, and they match him up with some little shlub half his size without an apparent muscle in his body. They banned Nick Capes from boxing after it. Did him a favor.

[Tuan_Jim]

Anyone else find it creepy that x2x, another Granberry/Il Duce creation, posts remarks that are exact verbatim copies of a YouTube user named Robert Ratskywatsky, who comments on that dive video with the exact same "Clay"-Liston Academy award winners observation?

Now this Robert Ratskywatsky fellow - whoever he might be (. . . .) - is an unsavoury sort. He spends a great deal of time on YouTube, commenting enthusiastically on videos about Adolf Hitler, white supremacy, fascist national anthems, Nazi propaganda, apartheid, and general anti semitic filth. Elsewhere on the Internet we stumble across him referring to black people as "African cannibals".

Does this Robert Ratskywatsky's range of interests remind you of a certain someone?

[Ilya Muromets]

Whoa, it's the "Il Duce" nutbag again!

[BoxBuzz]

Anyone else find it creepy that x2x, another Granberry/Il Duce creation, posts remarks that are exact verbatim copies of a YouTube user named Robert Ratskywatsky, who comments on that dive video with the exact same "Clay"-Liston Academy award winners observation?

Now this Robert Ratskywatsky fellow - whoever he might be (. . . .) - is an unsavoury sort. He spends a great deal of time on YouTube, commenting enthusiastically on videos about Adolf Hitler, white supremacy, fascist national anthems, Nazi propaganda, apartheid, and general anti semitic filth. Elsewhere on the Internet we stumble across him referring to black people as "African cannibals".

Does this Robert Ratskywatsky's range of interests remind you of a certain someone?

Eagle eye you!

This underwriter is gaining respect in spite of your ornery ways.

[evrenb]

Anyone else find it creepy that x2x, another Granberry/Il Duce creation, posts remarks that are exact verbatim copies of a YouTube user named Robert Ratskywatsky, who comments on that dive video with the exact same "Clay"-Liston Academy award winners observation?

Now this Robert Ratskywatsky fellow - whoever he might be (. . . .) - is an unsavoury sort. He spends a great deal of time on YouTube, commenting enthusiastically on videos about Adolf Hitler, white supremacy, fascist national anthems, Nazi propaganda, apartheid, and general anti semitic filth. Elsewhere on the Internet we stumble across him referring to black people as "African cannibals".

Does this Robert Ratskywatsky's range of interests remind you of a certain someone?

I didn't know this...if correct then this is disgusting. Don't we have enough hate in the world!!?? For goodness sake.

[Ilya Muromets]

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[evrenb]

WTF are you morons going on about? No, I'm not your long lost butt buddy "Il Duce" or whatever. Maybe you lost him in the gay piano bar where you hang out.

So what if I am Gay?? There is no room for Homophobia either! WTF do you think you are !!??

[Tuan_Jim]

I have revised my opinion. I assumed Robert 'x2x' Ratskywatsky was another Il Duce invention because, like all the others, he suddenly emerged only to participate in Il Duce threads. I realise now that is because they have have so much in common, rather than being the same person.

Robert 'x2x' Ratskywatsky is a far more sordid character than Duce. There's an underlying theme in his posts, and you don't have to look too closely between the lines to spot it. I'll proceed with caution here, because Robert is a "big puncher" who 'boxes exhibitions'. But his preoccupations are the greatness of the Klitschkos, how Golota was robbed in all his losses, the 'great' white South African heavyweights, Abdusalamov would have beaten Perez if only he didn't break his hand, why don't you idiots think Jerry Quarry would beat modern heavyweights if you think Larry Holmes would do . . . . on and on in this fashion. But then we come to some truly curious observations. Did you know that Lennox Lewis had "glass" in his gloves when he beat Klitschko (but 'only those with a brain can see it')? Or that Ali, or "Clay" as he predictably calls him, cheated to beat Cooper and US television destroyed the film to hide the fact? (The glove cut myth was busted decades ago, but when did bigots let facts spoil their ignorance?). . . . As one poster pointed out to x2x, "The black fighter or his camp always seems to be the culprit with you, never the white guy."

Go back far enough on Boxrec and you can even enjoy Mr Ratskywatsky raging over 'ebonics', and doing impressions of 'how black people speak'! Certainly chimes with his YouTube hobbies, doesn't it? Again, that's Adolf Hitler, white supremacy, fascist national anthems, Nazi propaganda, apartheid, anti semitism, and black men ("African cannibals").

Forget Caracatus, we have an authentic yahoo here, gentlemen!

[Ilya Muromets]

The f'g Duce troll is on my case. Is there an ignore feature on here so that i can put her on it? I looked at a few of the nutbag's other posts and i see that I'm not the only one she accuses of being "Duce" and other people out to get her. Apparently people who don't toe the polically correct party line get her panties all up in a wad and she becomes hysterical.

[evrenb]

The f'g Duce troll is on my case. Is there an ignore feature on here so that i can put her on it? I looked at a few of the nutbag's other posts and i see that I'm not the only one she accuses of being "Duce" and other people out to get her. Apparently people who don't toe the polically correct party line get her panties all up in a wad and she becomes hysterical.

What are you talking about homophobe??

[evrenb]

Back to the original subject - Just watched Tommy Morrison vs Lorenzo Boyd - worst dive bomb ever!!!!

[doug.ie]

i'm reluctant to offer up this one here...as its not really a dive...but depending how you look at it, almost a premeditated dive, if that makes sense..

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The former light-heavyweight champion who was paralytic drunk when he entered the ring with Jack Sharkey.
1928. Madison Square Garden, New York.

"In his last big fight he was matched with future heavyweight champion Jack Sharkey. Once again, the possibility of a crack at the heavyweight crown, and a big gate with Tunney, was in the balance. This time Jack Delaney entered the ring flabby, bloated and listless. When the bell rang for the opening round he was unable to move. Apparently intoxicated to the point of virtual paralysis, Delaney stood staring at his corner as Sharkey came across the ring. Sharkey paused momentarily in disbelief, and then knocked Delaney to the canvas. The fight ended with Delaney on his hands and knees, crawling around the ring like a man looking for a lost button, while the referee counted him out. The emotional Sharkey, his mouth piece hanging halfway out of his mouth, clung to the top ring rope crying in joy, as the furious spectators cried fix." - Wikipedia.

[energie]

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