COTTO says BRADLEY is the back-up plan!!

ikorolev
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The same way as Cotto.
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I would much rather watch Cotto fight Bradley than Lara.
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Bradley isn't going to gain any power moving up in weight, Bradley is simply not a power puncher. Bradley has the perfect physique to be a power puncher but his punching mechanics are awful. Anytime Bradley throws punches with power they're very wide and sloppy, lets be honest, Bradley looked like complete shit against Pacquiao after he got away from boxing smart and tried to slug it out with Pacquiao in the second fight. Bradley is at his best when he's boxing and he's not even that good of a boxer. Cotto hurts this man, simply because Cotto is much better at picking his shots than Pacquiao, Pacquiao just throws a lot of punches where as Cotto actually picks his shots.. There are a lot of openings to take advantage of against Bradley and Cotto will find them. If Bradley fights off of his back foot all night and throws combos and moves he has a chance, but knowing Bradley he's not going to do that his prided with get the better of him and he'll start trading with Cotto and Cotto will light him up.
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bradley should box at light welterweight, this midget has no business at 154. him vs danny or matthysse would be good.
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NateJR wrote:Bradley isn't going to gain any power moving up in weight, Bradley is simply not a power puncher. Bradley has the perfect physique to be a power puncher but his punching mechanics are awful. Anytime Bradley throws punches with power they're very wide and sloppy, lets be honest, Bradley looked like complete poo against Pacquiao after he got away from boxing smart and tried to slug it out with Pacquiao in the second fight. Bradley is at his best when he's boxing and he's not even that good of a boxer. Cotto hurts this man, simply because Cotto is much better at picking his shots than Pacquiao, Pacquiao just throws a lot of punches where as Cotto actually picks his shots.. There are a lot of openings to take advantage of against Bradley and Cotto will find them. If Bradley fights off of his back foot all night and throws combos and moves he has a chance, but knowing Bradley he's not going to do that his prided with get the better of him and he'll start trading with Cotto and Cotto will light him up.
How will you explain then that almost everybody puts Bradley above Cotto in p4p rankings ?

Speaking about power, Bradley walks at 170-175, so he has to lose about 25 pounds to fight at WW. That could easily affect his power.
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ikorolev wrote: How will you explain then that almost everybody puts Bradley above Cotto in p4p rankings ?
bradley's record has only 1 loss, and the pound for pound rankings are simply about that: losses.
lots of undefeated guys appear in the p4p rankings until they step up and lose.
cotto has won major titles in 4 divisions and in doing so has fought more bigger-better fighters.
therefore more opportunities to look mortal.
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Cotto hasnt beaten anyone worth a damn for a while now. lets be completely honest.

atleast Bradley has a non-crippled Marquez.
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sucracristo wrote:
ikorolev wrote: How will you explain then that almost everybody puts Bradley above Cotto in p4p rankings ?
bradley's record has only 1 loss, and the pound for pound rankings are simply about that: losses.
lots of undefeated guys appear in the p4p rankings until they step up and lose.
cotto has won major titles in 4 divisions and in doing so has fought more bigger-better fighters.
therefore more opportunities to look mortal.
So, Bradley who fought Pacquiao (twice), Marquez and Provodnikov recently had worse opposition than Cotto ??? This is just laughable.
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ikorolev wrote:So, Bradley who fought Pacquiao (twice), Marquez and Provodnikov recently had worse opposition than Cotto ??? This is just laughable.
cotto lost to pac and bradley lost to him twice, cotto also lost to mayweather and trout.
bradley looked like crap against provodnikov, arguably deserving a loss, and i'm really
not sure why you are including provo in a list of world class boxers bradley has faced,
as provo lost to algieri and herrera, doesn't really have any world class wins other than
a ko over alvarado (who rios ko'd twice and everybody on this board poops on) and is
going to get destroyed by mattysse. the version of bradley who showed up to the provo
fight would have been carried out on a stretcher vs margarito, especially the loaded gloves
steroid using margarito. if you have to go to the provo fight to make an argument for bradley,
you are reaching pretty far. the chaves draw was ridiculous, as i saw bradley a clear winner,
but even if he got the nod i don't see it as any more impressive than cotto beating a faded sergio.
that faded version of sergio would probably have knocked out bradley.
so bradley's best win is an SD over marquez, which is a good win. your response ignores
my point. cotto has a much longer resume with better names on it, and that is why he met
the requirements to challenge sergio. bradley really has no argument he even qualifies for a
shot at a middleweight title and p4p means nothing other than you have losses.
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If you count Bradley's wins over Pacquiao and Provo as losses, you could as well count Provo's losses to Herrera and Algieri as wins making Provo undefeated. Herrera on the other hand defeated Danny Garcia making him a very good win on Provo's record.

For half of the fight against Provo and almost all the fight against Chaves, Bradley for some reason decided to brawl which was really stupid. When he boxes, he looks much better and achieves much better results.

Cotto's record in his last 5 fights is 3-2 with wins over shot versions of Margarito and Martinez and a journeyman Rodriguez. In other words, Cotto hasn't had a decent win in 4 years, and a win over Mayorga 4 years ago is also not a huge achievement.
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ikorolev wrote:If you count Bradley's wins over Pacquiao and Provo as losses, you could as well count Provo's losses to Herrera and Algieri as wins making Provo undefeated. Herrera on the other hand defeated Danny Garcia making him a very good win on Provo's record.

For half of the fight against Provo and almost all the fight against Chaves, Bradley for some reason decided to brawl which was really stupid. When he boxes, he looks much better and achieves much better results.

Cotto's record in his last 5 fights is 3-2 with wins over shot versions of Margarito and Martinez and a journeyman Rodriguez. In other words, Cotto hasn't had a decent win in 4 years, and a win over Mayorga 4 years ago is also not a huge achievement.
I thought Provo beat Herrera.....I remember as soon the last rd ended I walk to the kitchen and was getting food cuz i thought it was a no brainer dec..........then later on I get on my computer and there it was herrera got the dec., blew my mind. now I did think Provo got beat by Algieri, Provo beat himself really,was totally head hunting.
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Both these guys are top class, the debate is only who you favour in this fight. To say Bradley isn't even that good of a boxer means that there are very few that are, so let's start being sensible shall we.. Now now :TU:
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overated midget has no business against cotto....what are some people smoking here. yeah he outslicked marquez, big deal. style make fight, bradley was just totaly wrong for marquez.

now with his draw and all his losses, 2 against pac, 1 against provod......and now people talk about him vs cotto haha...cotto who nearly beat the p4p king and technicly totaly outworked one of the best middleweight in rescent time....you guys kidding me
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95gerog wrote:Both these guys are top class, the debate is only who you favour in this fight. To say Bradley isn't even that good of a boxer means that there are very few that are, so let's start being sensible shall we.. Now now :TU:

I agree they are both top class fighters. Bradley is good, but he's not "that" good and I have always put him in a class below Cotto. Cotto IMO is a much more rounded fighter that does a lot of things better than Bradley. IMO Cotto will beat Bradley convincingly, I don't make excuses when I'm wrong, that's the thing with having a opinion, it's only my opinion so there's always a chance I could be wrong, I've been wrong before and will most likely be wrong again in a unpredictable sport like boxing. If they fight, I would pick Cotto as a heavy favorite to beat Bradley and possibly even be the first man to stop Bradley. Until I'm proven wrong I won't be changing my stance.

Also, Bradley isn't a power puncher, going up in weight isn't going to make him a power puncher. Bradley's a powerful guy don't get me wrong but he simply doesn't have the punching mechanics to produce a lot of power in his punches and adding on extra weight will not change that. I also think Bradleys boxing ability is a bit overrated and nothing that Cotto can't handle and hasn't seen before. Cotto is the type of guy that will touch Bradley and often, Bradley will then get himself into a fire fight like he does every time he gets touched and when that happens Cotto becomes the clear favorite in that kind of fight.

I just can't get it out of my head on how sloppy and amateurish Bradley looked in the second Pacquiao fight. Honestly Bradley looked like complete shit after 3 rounds of that fight, if Bradley can't outbox Cotto he can't win.
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NateJR wrote:
95gerog wrote:Both these guys are top class, the debate is only who you favour in this fight. To say Bradley isn't even that good of a boxer means that there are very few that are, so let's start being sensible shall we.. Now now :TU:

I agree they are both top class fighters. Bradley is good, but he's not "that" good and I have always put him in a class below Cotto. Cotto IMO is a much more rounded fighter that does a lot of things better than Bradley. IMO Cotto will beat Bradley convincingly, I don't make excuses when I'm wrong, that's the thing with having a opinion, it's only my opinion so there's always a chance I could be wrong, I've been wrong before and will most likely be wrong again in a unpredictable sport like boxing. If they fight, I would pick Cotto as a heavy favorite to beat Bradley and possibly even be the first man to stop Bradley. Until I'm proven wrong I won't be changing my stance.

Also, Bradley isn't a power puncher, going up in weight isn't going to make him a power puncher. Bradley's a powerful guy don't get me wrong but he simply doesn't have the punching mechanics to produce a lot of power in his punches and adding on extra weight will not change that. I also think Bradleys boxing ability is a bit overrated and nothing that Cotto can't handle and hasn't seen before. Cotto is the type of guy that will touch Bradley and often, Bradley will then get himself into a fire fight like he does every time he gets touched and when that happens Cotto becomes the clear favorite in that kind of fight.

I just can't get it out of my head on how sloppy and amateurish Bradley looked in the second Pacquiao fight. Honestly Bradley looked like complete poo after 3 rounds of that fight, if Bradley can't outbox Cotto he can't win.
i would pick cotto in his prime all day, its at this stage of their careers that I'm picking bradley.
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