The beginning of the end for B0xnati0n?

[steve689]

allegedly probably rests on Bill Ives and his steel business. If he gets fed up and leaves then they are in bother.

[palooka]

Didn't Rainham Steel used to sponsor Garry and Mark Delaney? I think Bill Ives has got a long term interest in the sport and enjoys being involved, he is worth 100's of millions so anything he puts in he can afford to lose and he may have a long view that the station may make a profit in time.

[chad]

Jeff Powell has suggested in the Daily Mail today B0xnati0n may charge subscribers £12.00 extra on top of their usual subscription fee to watch Mayweather Vs. Pacman, if they win the rights. This would be the final straw for me considering they clearly state on their website:

"It's available to all HD enabled B0xNati0n subscribers on the Sky TV platform at no extra cost, and with no additional sign up needed! We'll never ask subscribers to pay-per-view to watch fights"

Tweeted them a link to the article advising if this is true, I'm done. Not heard anything back yet.

[JimJim2009]

I think I'd rather BN did not get involved if they are going to do that, on the other hand for existing subscribers an extra twelve quid might yet be the cheapest legal way to see the fight live on TV. Any other PPV outlet in the UK would charge more.

To be honest I would rather fwank focus on giving us consistently regular output instead of putting all his eggs in one basket with this mega fight. Some of us have had a moan about the slow start to the year and I dont want to see lulls in the schedule becoming the norm. Sorry, but a dedicated boxing channel should work harder to fill those gaps. Instead of putting two domestic shows on in a short space of time, space them out better to help plug lulls in the boxing calendar. And, instead of putting all your fighters on a single bill three or four times a year, provide more regular shows. Nothing wrong with the York hall shows, they seem to be on the decline these days too...

[chad]

I think I'd rather BN did not get involved if they are going to do that, on the other hand for existing subscribers an extra twelve quid might yet be the cheapest legal way to see the fight live on TV. Any other PPV outlet in the UK would charge more.

To be honest I would rather fwank focus on giving us consistently regular output instead of putting all his eggs in one basket with this mega fight. Some of us have had a moan about the slow start to the year and I dont want to see lulls in the schedule becoming the norm. Sorry, but a dedicated boxing channel should work harder to fill those gaps. Instead of putting two domestic shows on in a short space of time, space them out better to help plug lulls in the boxing calendar. And, instead of putting all your fighters on a single bill three or four times a year, provide more regular shows. Nothing wrong with the York hall shows, they seem to be on the decline these days too...

Agree with that Jim. Over the first few years they delivered around 70 live shows per year. We used to get Saturday doubles i.e. Sauerland event at night then an American show early in the morning. At the current rate we'll be lucky to hit 50 live shows this year. At the very, very least I expect 1 live show every weekend. Even if they have to fill in the blanks with Shobox the next generation or Goldenboy on FOX I'll take it. They need a deal for the Al Haymon shows.

[Gazmac81]

Frank W was going on a trip to America to get some deals done to open up possibilitys he claimed when he was on the Boxing programme with Paul Dempsey.

Lets hope its something big

[expe]

I think I'd rather BN did not get involved if they are going to do that, on the other hand for existing subscribers an extra twelve quid might yet be the cheapest legal way to see the fight live on TV. Any other PPV outlet in the UK would charge more.

To be honest I would rather fwank focus on giving us consistently regular output instead of putting all his eggs in one basket with this mega fight. Some of us have had a moan about the slow start to the year and I dont want to see lulls in the schedule becoming the norm. Sorry, but a dedicated boxing channel should work harder to fill those gaps. Instead of putting two domestic shows on in a short space of time, space them out better to help plug lulls in the boxing calendar. And, instead of putting all your fighters on a single bill three or four times a year, provide more regular shows. Nothing wrong with the York hall shows, they seem to be on the decline these days too...

I can't see them doing it, more likely to be Powell making shit up.

It's easier said than done to space bills out like that, there's always going to be ebbs and flows in the schedule, just the way boxing is, there's too many things that affect the dates of shows. If Frank puts on more shows, he loses money and people complain that the shows are shit, if he stacks the bill there isn't enough shown on TV and the shows go on too long, can't win either way. He started off with too many average shows with a decent headliner and poor undercard, last year he went too far towards putting on huge shows with 5 or 6 title fights on the bill, needs to find a balance between the two.

[JimJim2009]

Yeah, but that's his job expe. If the content isn't available it would make sense to create it - that is a pretty fundamental part of running your own TV channel. I sense he is trying to battle on two fronts, (a) keeping up with the jones's (Eddie) and (b) run the channel. Instead of having rival shows on the same dates/weekends he should aim to have a consistent output of regular domestic shows. That is, by his own admission, the reason why he created the channel in the first place.

If the output continues to decline he will lose subscribers and sooner or later the channel will go down the drain. If you are running a boxing channel, give the viewers what they want. Sports fans and boxing fans want to watch boxing on a Friday or sat night.

[mullenman]

I am going to cancel allegedly after tyson fight this weekend

[kamicazze]

He could attempt for the K2 shows that kiltshko run. I'm sure some of those have been on euro sport.
Top rank/golden boy/al haymon/ Lou dibella/ main events
Then there is inter box in Canada
Adding in the shows that jones jr appears on.
Then uk wise carl greaves promotions, black flash, get hatton running shows again, chris sanigar and Steve wood. That should fill up his calendar nicely.
Also throw in some amateur tournaments.
I'd even try get one or 2 high quality unlicensed events as they would cost next to nothing.

[veriton]

if allegedly asked for an extra 12 quid for pacman v mayweather, i'd pay it. it's worth that.

but just imagine how many new subscribers they would get for that fight. even if 10% stayed on they'd make a mint.

[Boxing Prospect]

He could attempt for the K2 shows that kiltshko run. I'm sure some of those have been on euro sport.
Top rank/golden boy/al haymon/ Lou dibella/ main events
Then there is inter box in Canada
Adding in the shows that jones jr appears on.
Then uk wise carl greaves promotions, black flash, get hatton running shows again, chris sanigar and Steve wood. That should fill up his calendar nicely.
Also throw in some amateur tournaments.
I'd even try get one or 2 high quality unlicensed events as they would cost next to nothing.

I bemoan the quality of the Thai cards which are shown weekly but at the end of the day it's fights and contest, so maybe Frank should get in touch with the Thai's for some of their better stuff. This week the Thai's get 2 free to air cards, at the start of March they are getting Knockout CP Freshmart Vs Muhammad Rachman (WBA interim Minimumweight title fight). It's not top tier stuff, of course it's not, but it's likely VERY cheap (heck the promoters often give away tickets for the show as it's usually the sponsors that pay for most of the shows) but every so often their is a gem of a fight, a brilliant KO or some wonderful young prospects.

[expe]

He could attempt for the K2 shows that kiltshko run. I'm sure some of those have been on euro sport.
Top rank/golden boy/al haymon/ Lou dibella/ main events
Then there is inter box in Canada
Adding in the shows that jones jr appears on.
Then uk wise carl greaves promotions, black flash, get hatton running shows again, chris sanigar and Steve wood. That should fill up his calendar nicely.
Also throw in some amateur tournaments.
I'd even try get one or 2 high quality unlicensed events as they would cost next to nothing.

And cost an absolute fortune.

[tony1234]

If BN can't produce at least one domestic card live a week and I'd be quite happy seeing some of the smaller promotions aired then it is not worth subscribing anymore, it's ok with the foreign stuff but cards on at 3am aren't worth it for me.

If nothing is going to improve then I'll check out after the Fury show.

[thatllbeme]

the thing is that a lot of the smaller promoters work closely with matchroom so they cant just put shows on allegedly also there is no mention of £12 for the mayweather show on top of bocksnation subs it says a nominal fee but no figure mentioned!

[chad]

They need some big news soon as I'm getting close to quitting, and I've had the channel from day 1. If the most exciting thing on their horizon is this http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8&hilit=bt they are f*!&ed!

I'm paying £12 per month for top quality boxing, not some made up semi pro crap.

[mullenman]

They need some big news soon as I'm getting close to quitting, and I've had the channel from day 1. If the most exciting thing on their horizon is this http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8&hilit=bt they are f*!&ed!

I'm paying £12 per month for top quality boxing, not some made up semi pro crap.

im the same as you chad
being with them since day one and they have just over a week to give me some news or im gone as a customer

[martinmrts]

sure it could be better, but three quid a week for a card and the various magazine shows is hardly poor value.

switch your broadband to BT and you'll get Friday Night Fights and the WSB for nothing

[PokerRob]

the thing is that a lot of the smaller promoters work closely with matchroom so they cant just put shows on allegedly also there is no mention of £12 for the mayweather show on top of bocksnation subs it says a nominal fee but no figure mentioned!

Where does it say about a nominal fee? Do you mean a nominal fee for current BoxN@tion subscribers to be able to watch the Mayweather fight?

If so, it really makes no sense, as a "nominal fee" means a fee so low that it is not really a fee at all, but is a fee "in name only".

[tony1234]

The original idea for BN was sound and I'm only really interested in watching fights at a normal hour in the evening, what is provided now is nowhere near good enough.

A domestic bill once a week is the minimum for me and it looks like that is never going to happen now, they could take half the bouts off of Saturdays bill and put them on at York Hall the following week for example but they won't so I'll chuck it in till they put on a schedule that is worth paying for.

[WildWaylon]

i have unsubscribed to the channel and I have also cancelled Sky Sports after 20 years.

allegedly as nothing on at the moment that interests me and Sky Sports because I do not give a poo about the matchroom cards that have their marquee fighters against gimmes

I am not ready to unsubscribe to either channel just yet but I may do later this year. FW has put on one sided fights for years.

[expe]

The original idea for BN was sound and I'm only really interested in watching fights at a normal hour in the evening, what is provided now is nowhere near good enough.

A domestic bill once a week is the minimum for me and it looks like that is never going to happen now, they could take half the bouts off of Saturdays bill and put them on at York Hall the following week for example but they won't so I'll chuck it in till they put on a schedule that is worth paying for.

And be left with 5,000 in a 20,000 seat arena and half a show, then a packed house at the York Hall, but a massive loss on the show?

[tony1234]

The original idea for BN was sound and I'm only really interested in watching fights at a normal hour in the evening, what is provided now is nowhere near good enough.

A domestic bill once a week is the minimum for me and it looks like that is never going to happen now, they could take half the bouts off of Saturdays bill and put them on at York Hall the following week for example but they won't so I'll chuck it in till they put on a schedule that is worth paying for.

And be left with 5,000 in a 20,000 seat arena and half a show, then a packed house at the York Hall, but a massive loss on the show?

Or have a show go on so long that people have to leave before the main event ?

[palooka]

I honestly think that the main events are on too late, I'm struggling to stay up.

[Black Sam Bellamy]

£3 a week for B ox nation. I'm ok with it TBH.