MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[standing8]

When will legal action take place against the BBBOC, to clarify your points you have mentioned Mr Luca DiCaro

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Was the WBU there for the boxers, or was it to make a quick buck, which is your real aim from all this.

To be honest that is an attempt by myself to bring back a glorious BRITISH created and run Championship, call me a romantic but I would love to bring it back to it's glory days, you remember them I'm sure, when Ricky Hatton, Graham earl, Tony Oakey, Kevin Lear, Paul Smith, Junior Witter etc. were WBU Champions.

As for making money out of it, how? Maybe in ten or twenty years after managing to achieve my dream of re-establishing it, right now it's another of the tools I can provide to help boxers achieve their dreams, which I'm happy to do.

Neither Paul Smith nor Junior Witter ever held or boxed for WBU titles.
WBU titles were a disgrace. Every fight had the same judges (whatever happened to Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers?) who never had any interest in giving the away fighter the decision because the title became dormant if an overseas boxer won it because they were never boxed for abroad. This is because they ended up only being on Warren shows - I particularly remember one terrible decision handed to Graham Earl over an Argentinian boxer.
The only reason WBU titles existed (and WBF and IBO) in this country was because promoters worked out they could get paid world title money by TV companies for a fifth-rate fight. Any boxer who really achieves his dream of boxing for a WBU title should dream harder. Every WBU title or similar merely takes glory away from real world champions.
Back to the MBC, Mr DiCaro says he funds it, which makes it clear that he also makes all the decisions so, presumably, all the people listed holding roles for the organisation are merely honourary titles.

[telboy66]

its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

[kamicazze]

So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

[freddydoesdallas]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

[cocobongo]

So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

Do they not recognize the IBO i remember a few people boxing for their international titles not to long ago and Derry Vs Marsili was for their world title

[bripez]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

This fight went ahead under the Luxembourg banner and not BBBofC.

The fight went ahead in London and featured 2 high profile boxers and their high profile managers and promoters. Since the fight, neither the boxers or their managers/promoters have faced any kind of sanctions from the BBBofC.

Why not ? - if the BBBofC are saying that boxers / board members who are involved in non-BBBofC shows will not be welcome back to their club then how do they justify their position ?

Surely a rule is a rule and should not be dependant on who breaks the rule (it can't be ok for one boxer to do something and wrong if another boxer does it - it is either right or wrong) - and it is this inconsistency that I find difficult to understand.

It seems to me that organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg etc. could provide opportunities for boxers to get more regular work - the problem is that if you are a "regular" boxer then the board will come down on you like a tonne of bricks and effectively black-list you from their organisation/club, however if you are a high profile member then they will turn a blind eye - surely that can't be right ?

It looks as though the BBBofC are using grass root members as a way to prevent organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg from legitimately entering the market and ending their monopoloy.

[bripez]

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

But the BBBofC did recognise the WBU, IBO, WBF etc. because it suited them at that time - it now suits them to not recognise any other organisation and this change of opinion is effectively due to self protection and for no other reason.

[Wake up call]

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

But the BBBofC did recognise the WBU, IBO, WBF etc. because it suited them at that time - it now suits them to not recognise any other organisation and this change of opinion is effectively due to self protection and for no other reason.

The board still recognise the IBO today.

As for the WBF and WBU. They are not the same organisations that the board recognised a decade or so ago.

[LucaDiCaro]

To be honest that is an attempt by myself to bring back a glorious BRITISH created and run Championship, call me a romantic but I would love to bring it back to it's glory days, you remember them I'm sure, when Ricky Hatton, Graham earl, Tony Oakey, Kevin Lear, Paul Smith, Junior Witter etc. were WBU Champions.

As for making money out of it, how? Maybe in ten or twenty years after managing to achieve my dream of re-establishing it, right now it's another of the tools I can provide to help boxers achieve their dreams, which I'm happy to do.

Neither Paul Smith nor Junior Witter ever held or boxed for WBU titles.
WBU titles were a disgrace. Every fight had the same judges (whatever happened to Reg Thompson and Karl Rogers?) who never had any interest in giving the away fighter the decision because the title became dormant if an overseas boxer won it because they were never boxed for abroad. This is because they ended up only being on Warren shows - I particularly remember one terrible decision handed to Graham Earl over an Argentinian boxer.
The only reason WBU titles existed (and WBF and IBO) in this country was because promoters worked out they could get paid world title money by TV companies for a fifth-rate fight. Any boxer who really achieves his dream of boxing for a WBU title should dream harder. Every WBU title or similar merely takes glory away from real world champions.
Back to the MBC, Mr DiCaro says he funds it, which makes it clear that he also makes all the decisions so, presumably, all the people listed holding roles for the organisation are merely honourary titles.

Here you are writing on the Boxrec forum, yet didn't even check before writing the comment. Paul Smith fought and beat Alexander Polizzi for the WBU International title at Olympia in Liverpool in March 2007 and Junior Witter, who recently became an ambassador for WBU Europe, fought and beat Colin Mayisela to become WBU International Champion at the M.E.N in Manchester in October 2001.

Your comments relate to the WBU from it's original days, when it was recognised by the BBBofC, yet I only became involved just over a year ago.

On your 'back to the MBC' comment - I finance it because I choose to do so.

As for decision making I'm afraid you couldn't be more wrong if you wanted to be - I have less say than most involved

The General Secretary heads up the MBC in reality, I believe the GS is the most import person in any sanctioning organisation as they deal with all day to day matters.

As for decision making, we have committees, the most important of which, in my eyes, is the medical committee as they make the decisions on medical and safety standards, on licensing the Chief Medical Officer has more say than anyone else as it is he who decides if someone is medically fit to be licensed or not.

In reality, there really is only one role that is truly honorary - Mine, and I'm honored to be involved - as all the others have important roles to play.

[JimJim2009]

its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

It's obvious Expe cares about the sport and good on him for putting the boot in on an outfit that openly advertises it's available championships online with the following blurb...

Not limited to any region or country
Available for boxers from any country
Available to be staged in any country
Provides promoters with a cost effective championship for their events

Incidentally this relates to the Malta boxing commission international championship. This is openly touting a worthless belt online, in the hope some desperado promoter will pay them some wonga so they can pretend to be staging some sort of title fight. The MBC should be ashamed of itself but won't be.

[LucaDiCaro]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

We actually discussed this in depth at the time - If the BBBofC had banned Dereck for his actions in Germany, then no we wouldn't have considered it, but they didn't and as such we would have considered licensing them if asked.

By the way we are fully aware from discussions with other European sanctioning organisations, at the 2012 EBU AGM in Brussels, that we were not alone in this.

If we are talking about other situations then it would be dependent on why the license was withdrawn. I'm sure that in most cases we wouldn't, but to the same degree I'm sure there would be cases where we would.

[freddydoesdallas]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

We actually discussed this in depth at the time - If the BBBofC had banned Dereck for his actions in Germany, then no we wouldn't have considered it, but they didn't and as such we would have considered licensing them if asked.

By the way we are fully aware from discussions with other European sanctioning organisations, at the 2012 EBU AGM in Brussels, that we were not alone in this.

If we are talking about other situations then it would be dependent on why the license was withdrawn. I'm sure that in most cases we wouldn't, but to the same degree I'm sure there would be cases where we would.

Thanks for the honest reply.

[LucaDiCaro]

its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

It's obvious Expe cares about the sport and good on him for putting the boot in on an outfit that openly advertises it's available championships online with the following blurb...

Not limited to any region or country
Available for boxers from any country
Available to be staged in any country
Provides promoters with a cost effective championship for their events

Incidentally this relates to the Malta boxing commission international championship. This is openly touting a worthless belt online, in the hope some desperado promoter will pay them some wonga so they can pretend to be staging some sort of title fight. The MBC should be ashamed of itself but won't be.

So tell me how is what we say about the MBC International Championship any different to say WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF, IBO, WBF, WBU International titles - by it's very name it's an international championship and as such is available to be fought in any country by boxers of any nationality as are all Championships other than those for domestic titles.

I notice that you don't mention that we not only subsidise the Championship but also have sponsors involved to keep the cost down for the promoter or Boxer (who do think actually has to lay out the money) which by the way cuts the costs down to over half of any other international championship - this isn't about making money it's about keeping costs down for promoters and boxers.

[JimJim2009]

i am embarrassed for you. The title means nothing and is worthless. It comes bottom of the pile of worthless titles. If you said I could have one for nothing, I wouldn't take you up on it. The concept of a title having some sort of meaning is lost on you. That opponent who fought Mark prince for your cruiser weight title should not have been contesting any sort of championship, he'd only just lost to a two fight novice and was losing every time he fought. I realise your organisation is a bottom feeder and has to sanction fights like that because the better fighters won't contest your titles.

[LucaDiCaro]

When will legal action take place against the BBBOC, to clarify your points you have mentioned Mr Luca DiCaro

Both due for submission very shortly.

[LucaDiCaro]

i am embarrassed for you. The title means nothing and is worthless. It comes bottom of the pile of worthless titles. If you said I could have one for nothing, I wouldn't take you up on it. The concept of a title having some sort of meaning is lost on you. That opponent who fought Mark prince for your cruiser weight title should not have been contesting any sort of championship, he'd only just lost to a two fight novice and was losing every time he fought. I realise your organisation is a bottom feeder and has to sanction fights like that because the better fighters won't contest your titles.

I'm happy to answer peoples questions, as I feel that is the decent thing to do, however it is clear that you only intend to be insulting towards me and the MBC so I'll answer no more from you.

[LucaDiCaro]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

We actually discussed this in depth at the time - If the BBBofC had banned Dereck for his actions in Germany, then no we wouldn't have considered it, but they didn't and as such we would have considered licensing them if asked.

By the way we are fully aware from discussions with other European sanctioning organisations, at the 2012 EBU AGM in Brussels, that we were not alone in this.

If we are talking about other situations then it would be dependent on why the license was withdrawn. I'm sure that in most cases we wouldn't, but to the same degree I'm sure there would be cases where we would.

Thanks for the honest reply.

No, Thank you for a good question (-;

[JimJim2009]

i am embarrassed for you. The title means nothing and is worthless. It comes bottom of the pile of worthless titles. If you said I could have one for nothing, I wouldn't take you up on it. The concept of a title having some sort of meaning is lost on you. That opponent who fought Mark prince for your cruiser weight title should not have been contesting any sort of championship, he'd only just lost to a two fight novice and was losing every time he fought. I realise your organisation is a bottom feeder and has to sanction fights like that because the better fighters won't contest your titles.

I'm happy to answer peoples questions, as I feel that is the decent thing to do, however it is clear that you only intend to be insulting towards me and the MBC so I'll answer no more from you.

I'll live

[LucaDiCaro]

What will your position be on boxers who have had their licenses withdrawn by the BBBC for disciplinary reasons?

E.g. would you have licensed Chisora & Haye for their fight?

This fight went ahead under the Luxembourg banner and not BBBofC.

The fight went ahead in London and featured 2 high profile boxers and their high profile managers and promoters. Since the fight, neither the boxers or their managers/promoters have faced any kind of sanctions from the BBBofC.

Why not ? - if the BBBofC are saying that boxers / board members who are involved in non-BBBofC shows will not be welcome back to their club then how do they justify their position ?

Surely a rule is a rule and should not be dependant on who breaks the rule (it can't be ok for one boxer to do something and wrong if another boxer does it - it is either right or wrong) - and it is this inconsistency that I find difficult to understand.

It seems to me that organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg etc. could provide opportunities for boxers to get more regular work - the problem is that if you are a "regular" boxer then the board will come down on you like a tonne of bricks and effectively black-list you from their organisation/club, however if you are a high profile member then they will turn a blind eye - surely that can't be right ?

It looks as though the BBBofC are using grass root members as a way to prevent organisations such as MBC and Luxembourg from legitimately entering the market and ending their monopoloy.

Briprez - you really have summed up the situation, thank you for that.

[LucaDiCaro]

So a boxer can be licensed by bbb of c and mbc? Does that mean paying out for 2 sets of medicals/brain scans?!
Amd having 2'different managers?

No, one set of everything, if your first license is BBBofC we just request the medical information from them - if first license is MBC then the BBBofC can request from us.

With that being the case. Bbb of c don't recognise IBO, wbu or wbf. So if they're licensed by both parties would the boxer be able to compete for more titles or would it restrict them e.g. A power struggle between the boards

It's quite simple, in that case of titles not recognised by the BBBofC the boxer would fight with their MBC license, and should they compete for one of the big four the fighter can choose whether to fight on MBC or BBBofC license, so it shouldn't restrict the boxer at all.

[Mimmy]

I just want to ask one question.

Will you allow Danny Williams to fight on any of your sanctioned bills?

[Looking On]

Luca, whats the chances of this happening soon... will we be seeing BBBoC licensed boxers on MBC shows ? and if so under what timescale do you see this happening ?

[expe]

its as well your opinion Expe is only your's or there would be far less people helping to make boxing safer for the boxers,just what part do you play in our sport apart from critic

It's obvious Expe cares about the sport and good on him for putting the boot in on an outfit that openly advertises it's available championships online with the following blurb...

Not limited to any region or country
Available for boxers from any country
Available to be staged in any country
Provides promoters with a cost effective championship for their events

Incidentally this relates to the Malta boxing commission international championship. This is openly touting a worthless belt online, in the hope some desperado promoter will pay them some wonga so they can pretend to be staging some sort of title fight. The MBC should be ashamed of itself but won't be.

I really don't get how they're going to make boxing safer either, the board have their faults, but safety isn't one of them, they probably have the most stringent safety regulations in the world, some have criticised them for going over the top, Iain Weaver being a case in point. One rule that MBC are missing, or at least wasn't in the OP, and the board have, that is possibly the most important safety regulation IMO, is that all shows must be staged within one hour of a specialist neurological hospital. Without that, if a fighter suffers a brain injury, they don't stand much chance. Really needs to be added in, I've made it clear I'm not a fan of MBC, but if they're going to sanction shows here, or anywhere else in the world, I'd like them to at least be as safe as possible.

[LucaDiCaro]

I just want to ask one question.

Will you allow Danny Williams to fight on any of your sanctioned bills?

Danny holds a Baltic federation license, if a promoter submits Danny for a fight and as long as the opponent is of similar experience and all medicals are up to date, of course we would consider the bout, as we have no reason not to do so.

For reference so would all Sanctioning organisations - the BBBofC position on Danny is different as they withdrew his license and as such wouldn't allow him to fight on events sanctioned by them on a foreign license - which by the way is exactly the same position if we had withdrawn a boxers license and they wanted to be an opponent on an event sanctioned by ourselves.