Judah Defeated!!!!!!!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 08 Jan 2006, 12:54

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
E wrote:
Podmore_Birmingham wrote:Shame ... Urkal is turkish (and i have turkish heritage) its a shame , always the bridesmaid never the bride...

I actually do fancy Urkal to sneak thewin.. his losses to Harris flatter to decieve , the first fight i thought he won and the second .. well he could no longer make weight , he couldnt move like he usually does.

Tom Podmore.
Are you an Amateur boxer? (Or maybe your son...) I am sure I have read of a Tom Podore in boxing news with Turkish heritage, but then from your posts it seems you cover shows too.

Cheers!
I was an amatuer boxer , untill i became a diabetic ..... im only 19 so i have no son!!!.

I have appeared in the amatuer section of Boxing news before untill my retirement..

Tom Podmore.

Isn't it possible to box if you're a diabetic?..... I know some sportsmen who have carried on with Diabetes but boxing with its contact base would be harder I would think...

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 08 Jan 2006, 13:02

silkov wrote:
Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
E wrote: Are you an Amateur boxer? (Or maybe your son...) I am sure I have read of a Tom Podore in boxing news with Turkish heritage, but then from your posts it seems you cover shows too.

Cheers!
I was an amatuer boxer , untill i became a diabetic ..... im only 19 so i have no son!!!.

I have appeared in the amatuer section of Boxing news before untill my retirement..

Tom Podmore.
Isn't it possible to box if you're a diabetic?..... I know some sportsmen who have carried on with Diabetes but boxing with its contact base would be harder I would think...

No , im insulin dependant , which means i inject 4 times a day so the ABA took my licence ... funny thing is im really fit now , not being able to eat chocolate or drink alcohol too much... its hard though cos , u get low blood sugar easier... i still train , but i cant fight.... apart from in the streets!!!!

Steve Redgrave is a diabetic and won 5 gold medals..

Tom Podmore.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 08 Jan 2006, 13:06

Baldomir is a lot better than Cosme Rivera, imo. Similar records, yes, but not similar quality.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 08 Jan 2006, 13:28

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
silkov wrote:
Podmore_Birmingham wrote: I was an amatuer boxer , untill i became a diabetic ..... im only 19 so i have no son!!!.

I have appeared in the amatuer section of Boxing news before untill my retirement..

Tom Podmore.
Isn't it possible to box if you're a diabetic?..... I know some sportsmen who have carried on with Diabetes but boxing with its contact base would be harder I would think...
No , im insulin dependant , which means i inject 4 times a day so the ABA took my licence ... funny thing is im really fit now , not being able to eat chocolate or drink alcohol too much... its hard though cos , u get low blood sugar easier... i still train , but i cant fight.... apart from in the streets!!!!

Steve Redgrave is a diabetic and won 5 gold medals..

Tom Podmore.

Thats tough, there was a football player some years ago who was diabetic, Gary Mabbut I think his name was... but boxing puts a lot more stress on the body than fooball and I know diabetes can affect the bodies healing proccess as well. My father is diabetic and said the hardest thing was giving up the sweets and chocolate!. No reason why you can't stay in boxing in another area though...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jan 2006, 13:31

I guess the argument in boxing is that if you are diabetic, and you have a sudden crash, the impact could result in a fatality. Unlike rowing, where if you have an episode, the worst that will happen is you stop rowing.

E · Post by E » 08 Jan 2006, 13:42

Podmore_Birmingham wrote:
silkov wrote:
Podmore_Birmingham wrote: I was an amatuer boxer , untill i became a diabetic ..... im only 19 so i have no son!!!.

I have appeared in the amatuer section of Boxing news before untill my retirement..

Tom Podmore.
Isn't it possible to box if you're a diabetic?..... I know some sportsmen who have carried on with Diabetes but boxing with its contact base would be harder I would think...
No , im insulin dependant , which means i inject 4 times a day so the ABA took my licence ... funny thing is im really fit now , not being able to eat chocolate or drink alcohol too much... its hard though cos , u get low blood sugar easier... i still train , but i cant fight.... apart from in the streets!!!!

Steve Redgrave is a diabetic and won 5 gold medals..

Tom Podmore.

Sorry to hear that mate - hope all is well though, good to see you're still involved in boxing.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jan 2006, 13:47

stujones wrote:To be honest though James, I thought Cosme Rivera had a similar style (and similar record) to that of Baldomir - and Judah handled him with ease.

Id forgotten about that Rivera win, yes that's a good point. Perhaps he didn't prepare as he should have, but the fact he got his clock rocked by Baldomir suggests that any puncher at Welterweight has a chance.

Against Spinks he didn't have to worry about Spinks punch power, because Cory doesn't put any steam on his shots. Against a welterweight showing bad intentions, its a different story.

Guys like Judah seldom like being pressured, and it sounds like it was the pressure after being hurt which forced him to fight more negatively and cost him the fight.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 08 Jan 2006, 14:34

I actually think it has more to do with motivational issues with this fight than anything else. Perhaps Baldomir has more pop than Rivera - I have never seen Baldomir fight, so perhaps I am doing him a disservice assuming he is the same level as Rivera.

What I used to think with Judah is that he doesn't like boxers. If you think of it - he struggled twice vs Spinks, and laboured vs Corely and Witter. While he has all the skill in the world offensively, he has a poor attention and just doesn't seem to like chasing down movers.

When fighters meet him, or don't move away - then he usually has no problems. With the exception of Tszyu - who he was looking awesome vs before getting clocked.

Undoubtedly, his chin isn't great - Spinks did floor him. By the sounds of this fight - he was well in control but got clocked and never recovered.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jan 2006, 15:02

Judah has never been the full package. He is amazing offensively, but his defence is very poor and he relies on speed and reflexes to get him out of trouble rather than sound boxing skills.

There's been loads of fighters in history like that who never quite made it to hall of fame status. If Judah wasn't motivated, then more fool him, this fight would have virtually guaranteed a seven figure purse against Mayweather, and now where is he?

Skills, guts, determination, prowess are nothing without application, and if he didn't train his hardest for the fight, then he has nobody but himself to blame.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 08 Jan 2006, 15:10

With this loss to Judah , where does that leave Mayweather, he was going to fight Judah in a superfight but thats now off. That might mean that a Mayweather v Hatton fight may happen sooner than we thought.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jan 2006, 15:22

Mayweather might go for Baldomir though, I get the impression that Mayweather wants to go for more weight divisions. He would be wise to stick to 147 though, beyond that, no matter how skilfull he is, he's going to get battered.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 08 Jan 2006, 15:35

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Mayweather might go for Baldomir though, I get the impression that Mayweather wants to go for more weight divisions. He would be wise to stick to 147 though, beyond that, no matter how skilfull he is, he's going to get battered.

Maybe, it depends on who he fights at LightMiddle , he could do the same as Pernell Whittiker and fight just the one time at a higher weight.

Dirk Kelly · Post by **Dirk Kelly** » 08 Jan 2006, 15:50

Hi all,

Does anyone know where we can download last nights fights from?

Thanks

Foggy · Post by **Foggy** » 08 Jan 2006, 17:26

topper123 wrote:With this loss to Judah , where does that leave Mayweather, he was going to fight Judah in a superfight but thats now off. That might mean that a Mayweather v Hatton fight may happen sooner than we thought.

Same thoughts as me, i think we'll see Hatton - PBF in may

And if it does come off i for one will make the trip

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 08 Jan 2006, 19:46

Baldomir's answer to why he didnt pay sanctionfee to WBA & IBF:
"My purse was only $100,000," Baldomir said early Sunday morning. "If I paid each of them the required three percent, I would have come away with nothing."

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 08 Jan 2006, 19:46

topper123 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Mayweather might go for Baldomir though, I get the impression that Mayweather wants to go for more weight divisions. He would be wise to stick to 147 though, beyond that, no matter how skilfull he is, he's going to get battered.
Maybe, it depends on who he fights at LightMiddle , he could do the same as Pernell Whittiker and fight just the one time at a higher weight.

True, but how meaningful would that be? I mean who is Mayweather going to beat at LM that would actually mean anything.

fornicate me, the guy Pernell won the 154 title from is STILL fighting. Vasquez is older than God's fornicating dog and he's still fighting..forgot it was the same guy who challenged Robin Reid.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 08 Jan 2006, 20:22

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
topper123 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Mayweather might go for Baldomir though, I get the impression that Mayweather wants to go for more weight divisions. He would be wise to stick to 147 though, beyond that, no matter how skilfull he is, he's going to get battered.
Maybe, it depends on who he fights at LightMiddle , he could do the same as Pernell Whittiker and fight just the one time at a higher weight.
True, but how meaningful would that be? I mean who is Mayweather going to beat at LM that would actually mean anything.

fornicate me, the guy Pernell won the 154 title from is STILL fighting. Vasquez is older than God's fornicating dog and he's still fighting..forgot it was the same guy who challenged Robin Reid.

Wasnt it Vasquez who battered Winky Wright silly?

Huge Shock, really disapointed, Judah didnt prepare, he'd win a rematch,I thought Judah could beat Mayweather. I wanted Mayweather in a super-fight - Hatton won't fight him next, so who is there????? Baldomir - a journeyman, Zoo - good fight but old and beaten, Cotto - wont step up, Mosley - fighting Vargas, DLH - fighting Mayorga, Magarito - not a huge name or a proper belt but a good fight, Spinks - at 154 with no belts and lost to Judah, Judah - fucked up

Tom Podmore sorry to hear about your condition. Do you use Alpha Lipoic Acid at all to control your condition? It can help Diabetics - and for some forms is used instead of Insulin - may be worth researching. Maybe diabetes can be recovered from - I recovered from a nasty condition that doctors said I'd have for therest of my life (I was 21 when I had it - it messed up 2years of my life but I recovered)

Smit · Post by **Smit** » 09 Jan 2006, 06:05

dopey wrote:Hi all,

Does anyone know where we can download last nights fights from?

Thanks

Check the Boxing Videos Thread over in the Current Scene to a boxing site of torrents.

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 09 Jan 2006, 06:11

Judah had no rematch clause. Eejit. I'm struggling to feel overly sorry for him, mind.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Jan 2006, 07:14

Not only is Vasquez still fighting, but he is actually still not too bad. I actually (but I do think I am on my own) scored a fairly recent fight he had with Robin Reid to him.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 09 Jan 2006, 07:28

stujones wrote:Not only is Vasquez still fighting, but he is actually still not too bad. I actually (but I do think I am on my own) scored a fairly recent fight he had with Robin Reid to him.

I scored it to Reid but it was very close, wasn't Vasquez in one of the fights of the year against Ahmet Dottuev in Belfast?

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 09 Jan 2006, 07:29

stujones wrote:Not only is Vasquez still fighting, but he is actually still not too bad. I actually (but I do think I am on my own) scored a fairly recent fight he had with Robin Reid to him.

vasquez is one of the greatest jr middleweights ever. he may not have the fanfare of the likes of hearns and mccallum, but he achieved more than that at 154.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 09 Jan 2006, 08:30

Coconut wrote:Judah had no rematch clause. Eejit. I'm struggling to feel overly sorry for him, mind.

Why would there be a rematch clause? It was a mandatory defence of the WBC belt.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 09 Jan 2006, 08:47

Could still have a rematch clause though.

Bet Hopkins had one incase Eastman fluked a win and he was WBC mandatory.