Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:People who knew excluded a vast majority of boxing writers, bookmakers, Team DLH including Oscar, Schaefer, Nacho, Dundee. Mostly message board posters from the future.
Cotto never talked about moving up before Pac, easily made weight one fight prior, and later on requested a 160 rehydration limit for a 154 title defense. doesn't sound like a guy that outgrew 147. If he was drained, how come he ran like the wind from the midget for 6+ rounds straight? Can't do that drained. Having a couple of gimme fights will not heal your confidence after getting demolished like that 2x.
You continue to refer to these boxing writers, like who, Skip Bayless? Cotto had been struggling with his weight as far back as the Corley fight, I was stationed in Puerto Rico at the time they fought and Miguel was so desperate to lose the weight that he was spotted driving around in his car with the heat on full blast. I met Vince Phillips who was there sparring with Miguel at the time in the Plaza Las Americas who confirmed that Miguel was having a hard time losing the weight.
Boxing insiders know of Miguel's struggles, even Roach knew which is exactly why he demanded Miguel come in at 145. Why else would they need to handicap Cotto if they were supposed to be so superior, why not fight him at the WW limit?
There was a reason Roach wanted that fight at that weight and it should be obvious to anyone who isn't a blinded Pacquiao fan, he knew it would give Manny an advantage.
1. Corley fight was at 140
2. Mosley and Judah fight, Cotto weighed in at 146. 1lb supposed to leave him a skeleton?
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:People who knew excluded a vast majority of boxing writers, bookmakers, Team DLH including Oscar, Schaefer, Nacho, Dundee. Mostly message board posters from the future.
Cotto never talked about moving up before Pac, easily made weight one fight prior, and later on requested a 160 rehydration limit for a 154 title defense. doesn't sound like a guy that outgrew 147. If he was drained, how come he ran like the wind from the midget for 6+ rounds straight? Can't do that drained. Having a couple of gimme fights will not heal your confidence after getting demolished like that 2x.
You continue to refer to these boxing writers, like who, Skip Bayless? Cotto had been struggling with his weight as far back as the Corley fight, I was stationed in Puerto Rico at the time they fought and Miguel was so desperate to lose the weight that he was spotted driving around in his car with the heat on full blast. I met Vince Phillips who was there sparring with Miguel at the time in the Plaza Las Americas who confirmed that Miguel was having a hard time losing the weight.
Boxing insiders know of Miguel's struggles, even Roach knew which is exactly why he demanded Miguel come in at 145. Why else would they need to handicap Cotto if they were supposed to be so superior, why not fight him at the WW limit?
There was a reason Roach wanted that fight at that weight and it should be obvious to anyone who isn't a blinded Pacquiao fan, he knew it would give Manny an advantage.
It was not Pac's fault DLH was so full of hubris as to think he could drain himself down to a weight he hadn't fought at in 8 years and still function.
Anyone with common sense knew exactly what time it was when Oscar's bones stepped on the scale...and the odd idiots who didn't know got one more clue when they reported Oscar's lack of hydration pre-fight. Pac, who you rightly point out could have been considered a jr. lightweight at the time, outweighed DLH (a natural jr middleweight) on fight night.
People who knew, knew.
No argument that 147 was Cotto's best weight. But that has nothing to do with the fact that by the time he fought Pac, he was no longer a natural 147 pounder. Miguel was talking about how hard making 147 was the fight prior to the one he had with Pac. Cotto never fought below jr. middle again (yeah, the catchweight with "Cheato was bogus, but not even close to the crap Pac pulled fighting Margarito, and even understandable in certain sense given what Antonio did the first fight).
Trout did not 'manhandle" Cotto. He boxed extremely well and rightfully earned a lopsided decision. But a lot of the rounds were close even though they rightfully went to Austin. And you have some who who even say Cotto was still "hung over" from what Floyd did to him.
But, when Cotto fought Floyd, he was two and a half years removed from the fight with Pac- plenty of time to get over any damage especially given the fact Miguel had a pretty easy time of it in the fights leading up to his match with Floyd. By contrast, less than 16 months went by between the cement beating and Cotto's forced catchweight with Manny and in that time he'd had at least one grueling encounter (with Clottey) to boot.
Just no comparison if you look at it objectively.
People who knew excluded a vast majority of boxing writers, bookmakers, Team DLH including Oscar, Schaefer, Nacho, Dundee. Mostly message board posters from the future.
Cotto never talked about moving up before Pac, easily made weight one fight prior, and later on requested a 160 rehydration limit for a 154 title defense. doesn't sound like a guy that outgrew 147. If he was drained, how come he ran like the wind from the midget for 6+ rounds straight? Can't do that drained. Having a couple of gimme fights will not heal your confidence after getting demolished like that 2x.
It was not Pac's fault DLH was so full of hubris as to think he could drain himself down to a weight he hadn't fought at in 8 years and still function.
Anyone with common sense knew exactly what time it was when Oscar's bones stepped on the scale...and the odd idiots who didn't know got one more clue when they reported Oscar's lack of hydration pre-fight. Pac, who you rightly point out could have been considered a jr. lightweight at the time, outweighed DLH (a natural jr middleweight) on fight night.
People who knew, knew.
No argument that 147 was Cotto's best weight. But that has nothing to do with the fact that by the time he fought Pac, he was no longer a natural 147 pounder. Miguel was talking about how hard making 147 was the fight prior to the one he had with Pac. Cotto never fought below jr. middle again (yeah, the catchweight with "Cheato was bogus, but not even close to the crap Pac pulled fighting Margarito, and even understandable in certain sense given what Antonio did the first fight).
Trout did not 'manhandle" Cotto. He boxed extremely well and rightfully earned a lopsided decision. But a lot of the rounds were close even though they rightfully went to Austin. And you have some who who even say Cotto was still "hung over" from what Floyd did to him.
But, when Cotto fought Floyd, he was two and a half years removed from the fight with Pac- plenty of time to get over any damage especially given the fact Miguel had a pretty easy time of it in the fights leading up to his match with Floyd. By contrast, less than 16 months went by between the cement beating and Cotto's forced catchweight with Manny and in that time he'd had at least one grueling encounter (with Clottey) to boot.
Just no comparison if you look at it objectively.
People who knew excluded a vast majority of boxing writers, bookmakers, Team DLH including Oscar, Schaefer, Nacho, Dundee. Mostly message board posters from the future.
Cotto never talked about moving up before Pac, easily made weight one fight prior, and later on requested a 160 rehydration limit for a 154 title defense. doesn't sound like a guy that outgrew 147. If he was drained, how come he ran like the wind from the midget for 6+ rounds straight? Can't do that drained. Having a couple of gimme fights will not heal your confidence after getting demolished like that 2x.
It was not Pac's fault DLH was so full of hubris as to think he could drain himself down to a weight he hadn't fought at in 8 years and still function.
Anyone with common sense knew exactly what time it was when Oscar's bones stepped on the scale...and the odd idiots who didn't know got one more clue when they reported Oscar's lack of hydration pre-fight. Pac, who you rightly point out could have been considered a jr. lightweight at the time, outweighed DLH (a natural jr middleweight) on fight night.
People who knew, knew.
No argument that 147 was Cotto's best weight. But that has nothing to do with the fact that by the time he fought Pac, he was no longer a natural 147 pounder. Miguel was talking about how hard making 147 was the fight prior to the one he had with Pac. Cotto never fought below jr. middle again (yeah, the catchweight with "Cheato was bogus, but not even close to the crap Pac pulled fighting Margarito, and even understandable in certain sense given what Antonio did the first fight).
Trout did not 'manhandle" Cotto. He boxed extremely well and rightfully earned a lopsided decision. But a lot of the rounds were close even though they rightfully went to Austin. And you have some who who even say Cotto was still "hung over" from what Floyd did to him.
But, when Cotto fought Floyd, he was two and a half years removed from the fight with Pac- plenty of time to get over any damage especially given the fact Miguel had a pretty easy time of it in the fights leading up to his match with Floyd. By contrast, less than 16 months went by between the cement beating and Cotto's forced catchweight with Manny and in that time he'd had at least one grueling encounter (with Clottey) to boot.
Just no comparison if you look at it objectively.
People who knew excluded a vast majority of boxing writers, bookmakers, Team DLH including Oscar, Schaefer, Nacho, Dundee. Mostly message board posters from the future.
Cotto never talked about moving up before Pac, easily made weight one fight prior, and later on requested a 160 rehydration limit for a 154 title defense. doesn't sound like a guy that outgrew 147. If he was drained, how come he ran like the wind from the midget for 6+ rounds straight? Can't do that drained. Having a couple of gimme fights will not heal your confidence after getting demolished like that 2x.
koolkc107 wrote:The line when from one reflecting DLH totally dominating to one which was damned near even.
Sounds like somebody knew exactly what was up to me.
And again, one look at Oscar at the weigh-in, then news he didn't rehydrate was a hint and a half...
Yup but Pac didnt sign the contract the day of the weighin, but several months earlier when the common wisdom was he gets destroyed, see all those expert predictions
koolkc107 wrote:The line when from one reflecting DLH totally dominating to one which was damned near even.
Sounds like somebody knew exactly what was up to me.
And again, one look at Oscar at the weigh-in, then news he didn't rehydrate was a hint and a half...
Yup but Pac didnt sign the contract the day of the weighin, but several months earlier when the common wisdom was he gets destroyed, see all those expert predictions
When he signed the contract, he knew Oscar would have to come in lighter than he had in 8 years.
koolkc107 wrote:The line when from one reflecting DLH totally dominating to one which was damned near even.
Sounds like somebody knew exactly what was up to me.
And again, one look at Oscar at the weigh-in, then news he didn't rehydrate was a hint and a half...
Yup but Pac didnt sign the contract the day of the weighin, but several months earlier when the common wisdom was he gets destroyed, see all those expert predictions
When he signed the contract, he knew Oscar would have to come in lighter than he had in 8 years.
And he had to climb 2 weightclasses having had only 1 fight at 135. Going up to his 7th, 10 above his starting. Unprecedented, and just about unimaginable at the time. Which is why most thought it was a mismatch in Dlhs favor
When he signed the contract, he knew Oscar would have to come in lighter than he had in 8 years.
And he had to climb 2 weightclasses having had only 1 fight at 135. Going up to his 7th, 10 above his starting. Unprecedented, and just about unimaginable at the time. Which is why most thought it was a mismatch in Dlhs favor
You know, this is why folks say Pac fans are just unbelievable in how they just totally ignore facts.
Manny may have indeed come up those weight classes but it wasn't the challenge folks make it out to be.
Pac had been rehydrating to welter for the longest, even while fighting at super featherweight.
As proof, this is Ariza before the Cotto fight, less than a year later:
Pacquiao’s conditioning coach from Colombia said the ring idol from General Santos City will carry a weight of 144 or 145 during Friday’s official weigh-in, and then be at 149 on the night of the fight itself.
“That’s his natural weight (149) right now. He’s so fast for that. What you’re now seeing are pure muscles," said Ariza, adding that the world pound-for-pound king only has a six percent body fat.
When he signed the contract, he knew Oscar would have to come in lighter than he had in 8 years.
And he had to climb 2 weightclasses having had only 1 fight at 135. Going up to his 7th, 10 above his starting. Unprecedented, and just about unimaginable at the time. Which is why most thought it was a mismatch in Dlhs favor
You know, this is why folks say Pac fans are just unbelievable in how they just totally ignore facts.
Manny may have indeed come up those weight classes but it wasn't the challenge folks make it out to be.
Pac had been rehydrating to welter for the longest, even while fighting at super featherweight.
As proof, this is Ariza before the Cotto fight, less than a year later:
Pacquiao’s conditioning coach from Colombia said the ring idol from General Santos City will carry a weight of 144 or 145 during Friday’s official weigh-in, and then be at 149 on the night of the fight itself.
“That’s his natural weight (149) right now. He’s so fast for that. What you’re now seeing are pure muscles," said Ariza, adding that the world pound-for-pound king only has a six percent body fat.
You know, this is why folks say Pac fans are just unbelievable in how they just totally ignore facts.
Manny may have indeed come up those weight classes but it wasn't the challenge folks make it out to be.
Pac had been rehydrating to welter for the longest, even while fighting at super featherweight.
As proof, this is Ariza before the Cotto fight, less than a year later:
Pacquiao’s conditioning coach from Colombia said the ring idol from General Santos City will carry a weight of 144 or 145 during Friday’s official weigh-in, and then be at 149 on the night of the fight itself.
“That’s his natural weight (149) right now. He’s so fast for that. What you’re now seeing are pure muscles," said Ariza, adding that the world pound-for-pound king only has a six percent body fat.
I've been following boxing before you were an itch in your daddy's pants little boy! Who cares what the Vegas odds were, you completely ignored all the information about Valero beating up Oscar in sparring and being kicked out of camp, completely ignored the fact that Roach and Manny both were on the same field with Oscar and saw him not being able to run one lap and being totally weight drained and dehydrated and you still come here with garbage links talking about some Vegas Oddsmakers as if odds can dictate what is going to happen in the fight.
Manny beat a washed up, zombie that was totally drained and hadn't fought at that weight in more than 7 years, that is the bottom line, you can keep your Vegas odds.
You know, this is why folks say Pac fans are just unbelievable in how they just totally ignore facts.
Manny may have indeed come up those weight classes but it wasn't the challenge folks make it out to be.
Pac had been rehydrating to welter for the longest, even while fighting at super featherweight.
As proof, this is Ariza before the Cotto fight, less than a year later:
Pacquiao’s conditioning coach from Colombia said the ring idol from General Santos City will carry a weight of 144 or 145 during Friday’s official weigh-in, and then be at 149 on the night of the fight itself.
“That’s his natural weight (149) right now. He’s so fast for that. What you’re now seeing are pure muscles," said Ariza, adding that the world pound-for-pound king only has a six percent body fat.
If 149 was Manny's natural weight in November of 2009, what do you think it was in December of 2008?
Who cares. This is boxing, welcome to the sport. Most guys blow up major, but nobody has come close to Pacs weightjumping feats
Well, you cared until you had no good answer.
And his weight jumping is impressive at the lower weights, but much less so after Diaz.
What? Youre making no sense. Nowhere did I mention Pacs rehydration weighr. And of course the jump post Diaz is impressive, cause its never been done before. Not to mention that he routed the other top 5 rated welters (as of him entering the division) in just 18 months. Its amazing.
I've been following boxing before you were an itch in your daddy's pants little boy! Who cares what the Vegas odds were, you completely ignored all the information about Valero beating up Oscar in sparring and being kicked out of camp, completely ignored the fact that Roach and Manny both were on the same field with Oscar and saw him not being able to run one lap and being totally weight drained and dehydrated and you still come here with garbage links talking about some Vegas Oddsmakers as if odds can dictate what is going to happen in the fight.
Manny beat a washed up, zombie that was totally drained and hadn't fought at that weight in more than 7 years, that is the bottom line, you can keep your Vegas odds.
You asked about the boxing writers (remember, Skip Bayless) so I sent you some polls. Sorry these hurt so much, I see you didnt bother opening.
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:You asked about the boxing writers (remember, Skip Bayless) so I sent you some polls. Sorry these hurt so much, I see you didnt bother opening.
LOL at the hurt so much Bull, the only thing that is hurt here and it is apparent is that everyone has basically disagreed with you regarding this win by Pacquiao over Oscar and you came back so butthurt that you started name calling like a little third grader. You're correct, I did not even bother to look at your links because they do not tell the real story about what happened prior to the fight.
It's just as I stated, Oscar was a known walking Zombie and at the end of his rope, Valero was kicking his ass worse than Manny was so the only people who thought this fight was such a huge win for Packy were the uninformed people who just joined this sport because of the popularity of Manny Pacquiao.
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:You asked about the boxing writers (remember, Skip Bayless) so I sent you some polls. Sorry these hurt so much, I see you didnt bother opening.
LOL at the hurt so much Bull, the only thing that is hurt here and it is apparent is that everyone has basically disagreed with you regarding this win by Pacquiao over Oscar and you came back so butthurt that you started name calling like a little third grader. You're correct, I did not even bother to look at your links because they do not tell the real story about what happened prior to the fight.
It's just as I stated, Oscar was a known walking Zombie and at the end of his rope, Valero was kicking his ass worse than Manny was so the only people who thought this fight was such a huge win for Packy were the uninformed people who just joined this sport because of the popularity of Manny Pacquiao.
Whos everyone? You and this other flomo? Look at those links, I bet all those boxing writers were impressed
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:You asked about the boxing writers (remember, Skip Bayless) so I sent you some polls. Sorry these hurt so much, I see you didnt bother opening.
LOL at the hurt so much Bull, the only thing that is hurt here and it is apparent is that everyone has basically disagreed with you regarding this win by Pacquiao over Oscar and you came back so butthurt that you started name calling like a little third grader. You're correct, I did not even bother to look at your links because they do not tell the real story about what happened prior to the fight.
It's just as I stated, Oscar was a known walking Zombie and at the end of his rope, Valero was kicking his ass worse than Manny was so the only people who thought this fight was such a huge win for Packy were the uninformed people who just joined this sport because of the popularity of Manny Pacquiao.
Whos everyone? You and this other flomo? Look at those links, I bet all those boxing writers were impressed
KBB wrote:
LOL at the hurt so much Bull, the only thing that is hurt here and it is apparent is that everyone has basically disagreed with you regarding this win by Pacquiao over Oscar and you came back so butthurt that you started name calling like a little third grader. You're correct, I did not even bother to look at your links because they do not tell the real story about what happened prior to the fight.
It's just as I stated, Oscar was a known walking Zombie and at the end of his rope, Valero was kicking his ass worse than Manny was so the only people who thought this fight was such a huge win for Packy were the uninformed people who just joined this sport because of the popularity of Manny Pacquiao.
Whos everyone? You and this other flomo? Look at those links, I bet all those boxing writers were impressed
Like I said; name calling and the uninformed!!
Right, all those guys paid for their boxing opinion are uninformed. I'll take on the authority of the nuttiest, most obsessive superfan on these message boards
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Right, all those guys paid for their boxing opinion are uninformed. I'll take on the authority of the nuttiest, most obsessive superfan on these message boards
Who gives a damn what you'd take honestly? LOL, none of that matters because everyone knows he beat a nothing in Oscar and we all know the condition that DLH was in, you just refuse to accept it because you blow Manny's pecker so hard it's the reason why his head has swollen up so much.
Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Right, all those guys paid for their boxing opinion are uninformed. I'll take on the authority of the nuttiest, most obsessive superfan on these message boards
Who gives a damn what you'd take honestly? LOL, none of that matters because everyone knows he beat a nothing in Oscar and we all know the condition that DLH was in, you just refuse to accept it because you blow Manny's pecker so hard it's the reason why his head has swollen up so much.
Have a nice day
KBB the same could be said of you. I have a feeling you swallow so much Floyd juice that you
could tell us his salt intake for the day
Bernie Villorente · Top Commenter
The reason why Floyd doesn't want to deal with Bob Arum is the fact that he wanted to talk to Manny personally to "stage" the fight. Mark, this fight is fixed. Floyd is so sure to win this fight that even 50 cent is betting $1.6 million on Floyd to beat Manny. Manny has a huge tax obligation back home amounting to more than a billion peso and the only way he could pay it is to fight Floyd. Floyd knows this and took advantage of it.
The only way Pacquiao defeats Floyd is to bum rush and pepper him with punches. But Manny's not going to do that. Come fight night, both fighters will dance to Floyd's choreography - and throw punches just enough to fool the paying public into thinking that the fight was close or exciting enough to merit a rematch.
Manny's chances of beating Floyd is zero because he has now put his greed for money, fame and power above glory. Boxing has given him so much but in return he turned his back on it(by indulging in politics, showbiz, etc). That's why the gods of boxing punished him with that knockout against Marquez.
No matter how many dream about Manny beating Floyd, reality is that, it's all written in stone - Floyd will beat Pacquiao on May 2nd - and that's coming from a staunch, diehard, Filipino Pacquiao fan.
bnovelist wrote:Bernie Villorente · Top Commenter
The reason why Floyd doesn't want to deal with Bob Arum is the fact that he wanted to talk to Manny personally to "stage" the fight. Mark, this fight is fixed. Floyd is so sure to win this fight that even 50 cent is betting $1.6 million on Floyd to beat Manny. Manny has a huge tax obligation back home amounting to more than a billion peso and the only way he could pay it is to fight Floyd. Floyd knows this and took advantage of it.
The only way Pacquiao defeats Floyd is to bum rush and pepper him with punches. But Manny's not going to do that. Come fight night, both fighters will dance to Floyd's choreography - and throw punches just enough to fool the paying public into thinking that the fight was close or exciting enough to merit a rematch.
Manny's chances of beating Floyd is zero because he has now put his greed for money, fame and power above glory. Boxing has given him so much but in return he turned his back on it(by indulging in politics, showbiz, etc). That's why the gods of boxing punished him with that knockout against Marquez.
No matter how many dream about Manny beating Floyd, reality is that, it's all written in stone - Floyd will beat Pacquiao on May 2nd - and that's coming from a staunch, diehard, Filipino Pacquiao fan.
Because "near even" = Everyone knew it would be a Pacquiao domination. 
