MALTA BOXING COMMISSION - UK, SCOTLAND & IRELAND SANCTIONING

[Looking On]

Expe,
Just remember one thing, MBC does have a place, especially for someone with your view.

What i mean by that is that for example... pro boxing just doesnt happen very often in my neck of the woods, theres loads of boxers, but a lot of them choose to box unlicensed. theres several reasons for that, but cost is a major reason and the fact the most succesfull promoters here are both unlicensed. The MBC offers a more financially viable option for those to dabble into the pro game and while they may ultimately end up with the BBBoC, the MBC intially gives them the option of a cheaper license, a cheaper bond, and the opportunity for those not good enough to box pro to be on the undercards.

That in my view is a positive.... as it means more pro boxing here, rather than unlicensed.
Surely you see the benefit in that ?

They dont have the financial muscle to do it without that step via MBC, and ive no doubt theres many more like them accross the country.

But with that step unlicensed boxing will gradually be by and large replaced with pro boxing under the MBC, at least here.

Ban them and they just go underground and become more dangerous.

If i was Luca, id be targetting all the top unlicensed promoters to get on board.

[expe]

Expe,
Just remember one thing, MBC does have a place, especially for someone with your view.

What i mean by that is that for example... pro boxing just doesnt happen very often in my neck of the woods, theres loads of boxers, but a lot of them choose to box unlicensed. theres several reasons for that, but cost is a major reason and the fact the most succesfull promoters here are both unlicensed. The MBC offers a more financially viable option for those to dabble into the pro game and while they may ultimately end up with the BBBoC, the MBC intially gives them the option of a cheaper license, a cheaper bond, and the opportunity for those not good enough to box pro to be on the undercards.

That in my view is a positive.... as it means more pro boxing here, rather than unlicensed.
Surely you see the benefit in that ?

They dont have the financial muscle to do it without that step via MBC, and ive no doubt theres many more like them accross the country.

But with that step unlicensed boxing will gradually be by and large replaced with pro boxing under the MBC, at least here.

I'd ban unlicensed too, along with MBC. If they can't afford the license, the board needs to implement some sort of system to help them, whether that's spreading the cost over 12 months, a loan to be paid back over their career interest free or charging a slightly higher license fee on the top earners to subsidise the cost of a license for fighters turning pro and further down. If they're not good enough to box professionally, they shouldn't be boxing professionally, it's not a recreational sport like football that anyone can have a go at casually, if they're not good enough, either they need to carry on in the amateurs and try and improve, or give it up.

[JimJim2009]

It's when you compare boxing to other sports that the nonsense becomes clear. We have one football association, imagine having two, or several. Where do you stop ? Two FA cups ? Two premier leagues, etc etc. boxing as it is, is far, far from perfect but the road to further deterioration is to allow chancers like the MBC into the frame. Domestic boxing is not going to improve as a result and whatever this chaps motives are, it is naive in the extreme to think he is being open about them on this forum.

[expe]

It's when you compare boxing to other sports that the nonsense becomes clear. We have one football association, imagine having two, or several. Where do you stop ? Two FA cups ? Two premier leagues, etc etc. boxing as it is, is far, far from perfect but the road to further deterioration is to allow chancers like the MBC into the frame. Domestic boxing is not going to improve as a result and whatever this chaps motives are, it is naive in the extreme to think he is being open about them on this forum.

I can just about take 4 sanctioning bodies, as long as there's lots of unifications and they rank fighters based on ability, not on how much money their promoter has, or which plastic title they won. But there needs to be a proper structure of governing bodies to run the sport, the sanctioning bodies can do the world titles, but below that there needs to be one per continent and one per nation.

[Looking On]

Expe,
Just remember one thing, MBC does have a place, especially for someone with your view.

What i mean by that is that for example... pro boxing just doesnt happen very often in my neck of the woods, theres loads of boxers, but a lot of them choose to box unlicensed. theres several reasons for that, but cost is a major reason and the fact the most succesfull promoters here are both unlicensed. The MBC offers a more financially viable option for those to dabble into the pro game and while they may ultimately end up with the BBBoC, the MBC intially gives them the option of a cheaper license, a cheaper bond, and the opportunity for those not good enough to box pro to be on the undercards.

That in my view is a positive.... as it means more pro boxing here, rather than unlicensed.
Surely you see the benefit in that ?

They dont have the financial muscle to do it without that step via MBC, and ive no doubt theres many more like them accross the country.

But with that step unlicensed boxing will gradually be by and large replaced with pro boxing under the MBC, at least here.

I'd ban unlicensed too, along with MBC. If they can't afford the license, the board needs to implement some sort of system to help them, whether that's spreading the cost over 12 months, a loan to be paid back over their career interest free or charging a slightly higher license fee on the top earners to subsidise the cost of a license for fighters turning pro and further down. If they're not good enough to box professionally, they shouldn't be boxing professionally, it's not a recreational sport like football that anyone can have a go at casually, if they're not good enough, either they need to carry on in the amateurs and try and improve, or give it up.

Ok so if an unlicensed promoter was to decide to join MBC and bring a whole stable of boxers with them, would you not see that as a positive move ?

That would mean all the boxers having brain scans and bloods done which doesnt happen on the unlicensed circuit.

But that promoter may not be able to afford to pay his license fee and a 10 grand bond to the board, so chooses to initially turn his back on the unlicensed stuff and join MBC.

Is that not a positive move for boxing within this country ?

If you cant see that as being a positive then theres really no point continuing a conversation, as in my opinion nobody can justifiably consider that a bad thing.

[leejonesjnr]

A BBBoC license fee is not prohibitively expensive. That would not be a reason for a boxer to license with MBC rather than BBBoC as the main costs are the medical requirements, which Mr DiCaro has said are identical. Even then the whole thing is much less than £1000. Anyone serious about boxing can raise that.
Licensing with MBC when the board have refused on medical grounds but this is disputed would be a legitimate enough reason.

[expe]

Expe,
Just remember one thing, MBC does have a place, especially for someone with your view.

What i mean by that is that for example... pro boxing just doesnt happen very often in my neck of the woods, theres loads of boxers, but a lot of them choose to box unlicensed. theres several reasons for that, but cost is a major reason and the fact the most succesfull promoters here are both unlicensed. The MBC offers a more financially viable option for those to dabble into the pro game and while they may ultimately end up with the BBBoC, the MBC intially gives them the option of a cheaper license, a cheaper bond, and the opportunity for those not good enough to box pro to be on the undercards.

That in my view is a positive.... as it means more pro boxing here, rather than unlicensed.
Surely you see the benefit in that ?

They dont have the financial muscle to do it without that step via MBC, and ive no doubt theres many more like them accross the country.

But with that step unlicensed boxing will gradually be by and large replaced with pro boxing under the MBC, at least here.

I'd ban unlicensed too, along with MBC. If they can't afford the license, the board needs to implement some sort of system to help them, whether that's spreading the cost over 12 months, a loan to be paid back over their career interest free or charging a slightly higher license fee on the top earners to subsidise the cost of a license for fighters turning pro and further down. If they're not good enough to box professionally, they shouldn't be boxing professionally, it's not a recreational sport like football that anyone can have a go at casually, if they're not good enough, either they need to carry on in the amateurs and try and improve, or give it up.

Ok so if an unlicensed promoter was to decide to join MBC and bring a whole stable of boxers with them, would you not see that as a positive move ?

That would mean all the boxers having brain scans and bloods done which doesnt happen on the unlicensed circuit.

But that promoter may not be able to afford to pay his license fee and a 10 grand bond to the board, so chooses to initially turn his back on the unlicensed stuff and join MBC.

Is that not a positive move for boxing within this country ?

If you cant see that as being a positive then theres really no point continuing a conversation, as in my opinion nobody can justifiably consider that a bad thing.

It's better than them being unlicensed, but more fighters with MBC isn't a positive move, in a way I'd rather they stay unlicensed, at least that way no one will see it as professional boxing, obviously the safety aspect has to be taken into account too.

If they can't afford the license fee and bond, they're obviously not that profitable on the unlicensed scene. It's in place to stop any old chancer turning up and trying to run a show, the bond is there to cover the costs of the show if the promoter can't/does a runner with the income from the show.

[Looking On]

A BBBoC license fee is not prohibitively expensive. That would not be a reason for a boxer to license with MBC rather than BBBoC as the main costs are the medical requirements, which Mr DiCaro has said are identical. Even then the whole thing is much less than £1000. Anyone serious about boxing can raise that.
Licensing with MBC when the board have refused on medical grounds but this is disputed would be a legitimate enough reason.

you misunderstood , I was talking about promoters not boxers.

[leejonesjnr]

A BBBoC license fee is not prohibitively expensive. That would not be a reason for a boxer to license with MBC rather than BBBoC as the main costs are the medical requirements, which Mr DiCaro has said are identical. Even then the whole thing is much less than £1000. Anyone serious about boxing can raise that.
Licensing with MBC when the board have refused on medical grounds but this is disputed would be a legitimate enough reason.

you misunderstood , I was talking about promoters not boxers.

Oh I see.
I have no strong feeling about the bond, though I believe that it is not always required. What I would say is that if a promoter can't cover the bond then they can't fund a pro show, so what does it matter?

[Wake up call]

The bond is a safeguard to protect boxers and officials, not a stick to hit the board with.

The bottom line is this: if you choose to support the MBC, you are supporting the proliferation of worthless titles. You are supporting the rise of poorly skilled boxers calling themselves champions. You are supporting a muddying of the waters that will turn more casual fans off the sport. You are supporting the death of the Lonsdale belt as the most prestigious and history belt in boxing. You are supporting the death of professional boxing as we know it in the UK.

[josco]

The Malta Boxing Association seems to be going strong, both in Malta (having meetings with the President even) and UK. How long before we have the MBF, MBO etc., etc? Del Boy is sat in his (one bedroom) flat planning world domination! Incidentally I had to smile when I looked at the directors of Kriminal Records Ltd (now dissolved) - guess who?!! Good old Luca.

[pyenest77]

Lets be honest the BBoC have a lot to answer for, but what will happen if there is a serious injury on a show run by these charlatans?
Blatantly few if any medical checks & ambulance parked down the road somewhere else.

[expe]

Lets be honest the BBoC have a lot to answer for, but what will happen if there is a serious injury on a show run by these charlatans?
Blatantly few if any medical checks & ambulance parked down the road somewhere else.

OP said they have insurance, £75k for a death and up to £25k depending on the injury. Neither is likely to be enough, especially if they have a family. £75k would probably be enough to get things in order, pay for the funeral and some of the mortgage, but is it going to cover the loss of a family's main breadwinner? And £25k definitely isn't close to what it needs to be, with medical and living costs to be paid for the rest of the fighters life.

[Looking On]

Lets be honest the BBoC have a lot to answer for, but what will happen if there is a serious injury on a show run by these charlatans?
Blatantly few if any medical checks & ambulance parked down the road somewhere else.

OP said they have insurance, £75k for a death and up to £25k depending on the injury. Neither is likely to be enough, especially if they have a family. £75k would probably be enough to get things in order, pay for the funeral and some of the mortgage, but is it going to cover the loss of a family's main breadwinner? And £25k definitely isn't close to what it needs to be, with medical and living costs to be paid for the rest of the fighters life.

I do agree on that one expe...
Unlicensed promoters here now have cover of £2 million, put into place following the death of Lance Prayogg

[expe]

Lets be honest the BBoC have a lot to answer for, but what will happen if there is a serious injury on a show run by these charlatans?
Blatantly few if any medical checks & ambulance parked down the road somewhere else.

OP said they have insurance, £75k for a death and up to £25k depending on the injury. Neither is likely to be enough, especially if they have a family. £75k would probably be enough to get things in order, pay for the funeral and some of the mortgage, but is it going to cover the loss of a family's main breadwinner? And £25k definitely isn't close to what it needs to be, with medical and living costs to be paid for the rest of the fighters life.

I do agree on that one expe...
Unlicensed promoters here now have cover of £2 million, put into place following the death of Lance Prayogg

That's the sort of amount that needs to be in place, if a fighter dies or is seriously injured in the ring, the insurance should pay out enough to help his family through without him.

[Wake up call]

Lets be honest the BBoC have a lot to answer for, but what will happen if there is a serious injury on a show run by these charlatans?
Blatantly few if any medical checks & ambulance parked down the road somewhere else.

OP said they have insurance, £75k for a death and up to £25k depending on the injury. Neither is likely to be enough, especially if they have a family. £75k would probably be enough to get things in order, pay for the funeral and some of the mortgage, but is it going to cover the loss of a family's main breadwinner? And £25k definitely isn't close to what it needs to be, with medical and living costs to be paid for the rest of the fighters life.

I do agree on that one expe...
Unlicensed promoters here now have cover of £2 million, put into place following the death of Lance Prayogg

That's probably public liability cover. It protects them against lawsuits, not the actual boxer and their family.

The MBC requirement for promoters in this document is nowhere near 75k - http://maltaboxingcommission.com/Docs/P ... mation.doc

[spudder56]

yes it will be public liability cover for somebody tripping over the carpet or falling down stairs etc Boxers will not be covered by Public Liability insurance for that being as The Promotor is employing the boxer he would need employers liability insurance covering all eventualities including boxing thats when the problems will start as far as getting cover is concerned

[LucaDiCaro]

yes it will be public liability cover for somebody tripping over the carpet or falling down stairs etc Boxers will not be covered by Public Liability insurance for that being as The Promotor is employing the boxer he would need employers liability insurance covering all eventualities including boxing thats when the problems will start as far as getting cover is concerned

The level of life and injury insurance quoted is correct - £75K Life and £25K for each loss of limb claim, which for reference is not too dissimilar to the BBBofC's own level of coverage, which is £100K Life and variable loss of limb figure, starting at £12.5K to £50K

Also please note that both the MBC and BBBofC are a rarity in European sanctioning organisations, as we both provide full life and injury insurance coverage for the boxers and ring officials.

Please note that on Championship bouts that it is a requirement that additional life and injury insurance is arranged.

£2 Million is the standard for Public Liability requirements at an event.

The figures mentioned in the MBC document, as below, are the legal minimum requirements as required under the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 and as you can see our insurance coverage exceed these figures

"II. PROOF OF MEDICAL INSURANCE
Pursuant to the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 each promoter must provide a certificate of proof of medical insurance for each contestant.

The minimum coverage at this time is €15,000 (UK £11,125) medical and €20,000 (UK 14,825) death benefit.

The proof of insurance must be received in the Office before the event may occur.

“PLEASE NOTE” For Malta Boxing Commission sanctioned events undertaken in Malta and the United Kingdom, that the Malta Boxing Commission Limited have a fully comprehensive insurance policy"

[spudder56]

yes it will be public liability cover for somebody tripping over the carpet or falling down stairs etc Boxers will not be covered by Public Liability insurance for that being as The Promotor is employing the boxer he would need employers liability insurance covering all eventualities including boxing thats when the problems will start as far as getting cover is concerned

The level of life and injury insurance quoted is correct - £75K Life and £25K for each loss of limb claim, which for reference is not too dissimilar to the BBBofC's own level of coverage, which is £100K Life and variable loss of limb figure, starting at £12.5K to £50K

Also please note that both the MBC and BBBofC are a rarity in European sanctioning organisations, as we both provide full life and injury insurance coverage for the boxers and ring officials.

Please note that on Championship bouts that it is a requirement that additional life and injury insurance is arranged.

£2 Million is the standard for Public Liability requirements at an event.

The figures mentioned in the MBC document, as below, are the legal minimum requirements as required under the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 and as you can see our insurance coverage exceed these figures

"II. PROOF OF MEDICAL INSURANCE
Pursuant to the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 each promoter must provide a certificate of proof of medical insurance for each contestant.

The minimum coverage at this time is €15,000 (UK £11,125) medical and €20,000 (UK 14,825) death benefit.

The proof of insurance must be received in the Office before the event may occur.

“PLEASE NOTE” For Malta Boxing Commission sanctioned events undertaken in Malta and the United Kingdom, that the Malta Boxing Commission Limited have a fully comprehensive insurance policy"

Fair play to you Luca I was just correcting the statement made earlier by the gentleman saying that unlicensed promotors in nottingham were covering up to 2million no organisation in the world could cover boxers up to £2 million the premium would be a crazy price for each event I just didn't want people to be confused by that statement

[Looking On]

yes it will be public liability cover for somebody tripping over the carpet or falling down stairs etc Boxers will not be covered by Public Liability insurance for that being as The Promotor is employing the boxer he would need employers liability insurance covering all eventualities including boxing thats when the problems will start as far as getting cover is concerned

Nope its expensive insurance, public liability is completely separate.

Im fairly certain thats the cover amount. ill have to double check now though cos you guys have put doubt in my mind, i know it has to be paid per fighter, per event....

[Looking On]

I stand corrected, nothing like what i suggested.

20k against death and 12k for permanent disability/ loss of limb

No idea where i plucked that from originally

[LucaDiCaro]

yes it will be public liability cover for somebody tripping over the carpet or falling down stairs etc Boxers will not be covered by Public Liability insurance for that being as The Promotor is employing the boxer he would need employers liability insurance covering all eventualities including boxing thats when the problems will start as far as getting cover is concerned

The level of life and injury insurance quoted is correct - £75K Life and £25K for each loss of limb claim, which for reference is not too dissimilar to the BBBofC's own level of coverage, which is £100K Life and variable loss of limb figure, starting at £12.5K to £50K

Also please note that both the MBC and BBBofC are a rarity in European sanctioning organisations, as we both provide full life and injury insurance coverage for the boxers and ring officials.

Please note that on Championship bouts that it is a requirement that additional life and injury insurance is arranged.

£2 Million is the standard for Public Liability requirements at an event.

The figures mentioned in the MBC document, as below, are the legal minimum requirements as required under the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 and as you can see our insurance coverage exceed these figures

"II. PROOF OF MEDICAL INSURANCE
Pursuant to the Professional Boxing Safety Act 1996 each promoter must provide a certificate of proof of medical insurance for each contestant.

The minimum coverage at this time is €15,000 (UK £11,125) medical and €20,000 (UK 14,825) death benefit.

The proof of insurance must be received in the Office before the event may occur.

“PLEASE NOTE” For Malta Boxing Commission sanctioned events undertaken in Malta and the United Kingdom, that the Malta Boxing Commission Limited have a fully comprehensive insurance policy"

Fair play to you Luca I was just correcting the statement made earlier by the gentleman saying that unlicensed promotors in nottingham were covering up to 2million no organisation in the world could cover boxers up to £2 million the premium would be a crazy price for each event I just didn't want people to be confused by that statement

Thanks for that Spudder56 - appreciate it mate

[LucaDiCaro]

I stand corrected, nothing like what i suggested.

20k against death and 12k for permanent disability/ loss of limb

No idea where i plucked that from originally

Hi Looking in - Not a problem, that would have been the minimum insurance requirements in Euros under the 1996 Professional Boxing act so probably from our website or the promoters info from our website as posted by someone earlier

[Looking On]

I stand corrected, nothing like what i suggested.

20k against death and 12k for permanent disability/ loss of limb

No idea where i plucked that from originally

Hi Looking in - Not a problem, that would have been the minimum insurance requirements in Euros under the 1996 Professional Boxing act so probably from our website or the promoters info from our website as posted by someone earlier

Think you may have misunderstood me but not to worry

[spudder56]

I stand corrected, nothing like what i suggested.

20k against death and 12k for permanent disability/ loss of limb

No idea where i plucked that from originally

That sounds more like it mate but I assume there would be strict medical conditions attatched to the cover like there is with the board when a licence is not granted or is withdrawn because of scan irregularities etc it is usually because insurance cover would not be granted or is pulled by the insurance company you would probably find that in reality anybody who fails a board brain scan would be uninsurable for the purposes of boxing that's my opinion anyway