Roy Jones jr

[p4p1]

I am a jones fan, when I was younger watching him do some of the stuff I'm the ring was just amazing. I haven't watched him fight for quite a while. The other day on FB a highlight of his popped up so I watched it. Two things crossed my mind one was the amazing natural talent he had, the speed and power, the timing and the confidence. The other that popped into my head while watching it was who the fornicate are these guys he is fighting. I could name maybe 3 of his opponents them being Virgil hill who he KOd with that body shit, Clinton Woods and Glen Kelly who I only know because he is Australian. I do believe the best version of him beats a lot of top fighters. I also wonder if he hadn't have been robbed in Seoul would we be talking about a guy who was happy to travel for big fights during his best years.

[Crease]

His achievements are incredible. I'd say that he is a difficult fighter to rate.

Some of his fans really go overboard when talking about him, they make him sound like Sugar Ray Robinson-time figure. (In that way, I tend to compare them to Floyd Mayweather fans). Roy was a brilliant fighter, who has been enormously successful in his professional career - but there were fights that I would have liked to have seen him in - Steve Collins for example. It's s till a mystery to me why Roy didn't take the fight - Collins was known in America and the fight would have sold a bundle with it being a unification bout.

But at the same time, I'm of the opinion that his doubters and naysayers don't truly give Roy enough credit for the Titles he has won and the opponents he has defeated (Hopkins, Toney). Roy has achieved more than 99% of the boxers out there throughout history, and looking at it that way - he deserves to be mentioned among the greats of the modern day.

My main trouble with Roy is that he went to for the "glory fight" too often for my liking. What I mean by that is - for example - he moved up in weight and defeated John Ruiz to become a World Heavyweight Champion, yet can he truly be noted on any list of great Heavyweight Champions? Of course not. He didn't hang around the division long enough, to make any great impact in it. And I would tend to say the same thing about his Middleweight career. Especially when you compare it to his great rival, Bernard Hopkins.

Fair enough, Roy did win the IBF World Middleweight Title and have sevens successful defenses, but for a man of his ability he could have done so much more in the division. It could also be plausibly argued that he never quite dominated the division in the way that Hopkins did - Bernard won and held all four World Titles and truly locked out the division so that no other fighter could announce himself as a World Champion, yet Roy failed to do that.

Roy was always more interested in the "high end" side of the fight game - always on the look out for a fight with another big name, yet rarely taking the time to beat secondary opposition which is necessary to defend your World Title and help cement your legacy. Obviously, on the face of it, contenders aren't on the same level as the World Champions, and when they do beat them they ascend to World Champion status themselves. Yet Roy never wanted to do the mundane tasks and deal with the more regular opponents that comes with the burden of being a World Champion.

In summary, Roy was the type of guy who went for the glory, yet never built the foundation work that a true ring legend does.

[Tomasino]

Every single elite fighter has been labelled overrated by somebody.

The only elite fighter that I have never seen written or heard spoken was overrated was Sugar Ray Robinson.

I heard Carmen Basillio say Ray was overrated. He then said he was the hardest puncher he ever faced.

[Broomhall]

Every single elite fighter has been labelled overrated by somebody.

The only elite fighter that I have never seen written or heard spoken was overrated was Sugar Ray Robinson.

I heard Carmen Basillio say Ray was overrated. He then said he was the hardest puncher he ever faced.

I think he also really disliked Robinson as a person. I also read that Ike Williams, the lightweight champ hated Robinson and described him (as a person) in very unflattering terms.

[Tomasino]

Every single elite fighter has been labelled overrated by somebody.

The only elite fighter that I have never seen written or heard spoken was overrated was Sugar Ray Robinson.

I heard Carmen Basillio say Ray was overrated. He then said he was the hardest puncher he ever faced.

I think he also really disliked Robinson as a person. I also read that Ike Williams, the lightweight champ hated Robinson and described him (as a person) in very unflattering terms.

From what his own family say of him he was rather brutal. He insulted Ike Williams in front of Ikes wife...Ike wanted to fight over it but his wife begged him not to in case he got hurt. Must have been raging about that! I would be. I've heard Basilio say the same kind of stuff on documentaries, that Ray was an arrogant, rude guy. I think to some extent it must have lit a fire in Basilio because those two fights were incredible feats of endurance especially the second with the horrendous shattered eye socket.

[Caractacus]

They next time anyone here see's Roy Jones jr. in person,
be sure to say "Hey" to him for me okay?

[Ambling Alp II]

He just happens to be in my zumba class, I will tell him next time.

I was just looking at his record on the boxrec database and discovered something that may surprise a lot of people. He is still an active fighter! (I honestly thought he retired at least 4 or 5 years ago) He even has a fight scheduled next month.


So really, he is not a "Boxer of the Past", and therefore this thread should not be on the Boxers of the Past Forum.

[BoxBuzz]

He just happens to be in my zumba class, I will tell him next time.

I was just looking at his record on the boxrec database and discovered something that may surprise a lot of people. He is still an active fighter! (I honestly thought he retired at least 4 or 5 years ago) He even has a fight scheduled next month.


So really, he is not a "Boxer of the Past", and therefore this thread should not be on the Boxers of the Past Forum.

Good point! ......and Awayyyy it goes!

[KBB]

Overrated, talks crap about Floyd ducking Manny but it took him 10 years worth of excuses to finally give Hopkins a rematch. He was KO'd by Tarver, Johnson and a bunch of other bums and the wins where he looked his most dominant came mostly against cab drivers and grocery stockers.

He beat the most bummed of the HWs at the time in Ruiz and used the most lamest excuses for whenever he lost a fight, when Johnson put him to sleep he was in the dressing room saying "I just couldn't get myself up for this fight" and I believe one of his lamest excuses was blaming his loss on his father.

Dude was all talk and no defense, once his reflexes left him we saw the results of his flawed fundamentals which is why he knew that BHop would beat him in a rematch he avoided it for so long.

[Monte Fisto]

Legend and incredible talent, shame he got caught for doping. This will always tarnish his rep.

[tiny_acres]

Roy is no longer a boxer but a side show freak.
He has no chance against real competition and I wish he would retire.

[sucracristo]

Roy is no longer a boxer but a side show freak.
He has no chance against real competition and I wish he would retire.

rafael says roy is calling out huck
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12 ... ht-march-6
"What I am doing is staying busy because Marco Huck said he will fight me in the fall," Jones told ESPN.com on Tuesday. "I ain't no spring chicken and I need to be properly prepared to fight Huck. If I get that fight it will probably be my last stab at (a world title) and then I'd call it a day. But I want to make sure I am ready as can be."

[hurricanemitch14]

Overrated my ass....dominated prime bhop and toney....titles from middle to heavy lol. Calzaghe eaked out a dec over a 40 yr old bhop. U guys r retarded.

[tiny_acres]

Overrated my ass....dominated prime bhop and toney....titles from middle to heavy lol. Calzaghe eaked out a dec over a 40 yr old bhop. U guys r retarded.

Roy was incredible and far from over rated.
But his win over Bhop was not prime Bhop it was before Bhop hit his prime.
But yes Roy was an incredible talent and people who say otherwise
are fooling only themselves

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Roy Jones Jr was possibly the greatest ATHLETE in boxing history. When your athletics talents are so great, it's hard for you to be a fundamental fighter because your abilities can overshadow fundamentals and actually create more opportunities.

Of course this means that when your athletic talents fade, you will become normal.

My opinion of Roy Jones Jr. is this. At his prime, how many fighters all-time could beat him? Even most elite fighters wouldn't have been able to land punches. This doesn't mean he's the greatest fighter ever, but I definitely don't think he should be labeled overrated.

Also, when your prime lasts as long as his, who cares about the decline besides haters?

[dempseyfire]

He was highly over-rated in his prime but seems to be under-rated now, since we've had years of seeing him fight past his best; many forget what a force he was in the 1990s.

[Shpati]

I don't think he was overrated. He beat good guys and defended his WBC and WBA for a while.

That move to Heavyweight was completely pointless though.

He might have gotten more attention than he deserved because he was cool, but that doesn't make him overrated.

[KBB]

Roy's biggest victories have question marks by them:

Ruiz-worst of the HWs titleholders at the time.
Toney-had to lose too much weight within the given 4 weeks leading up to the fight
Hopkins-still somewhat green at the time and did not have the degree/level/pedigree of training that Jones had (who came from experienced trainers, Nutrionist, etc., etc.).

He also lost to some of his biggest competitors:

Tarver-twice and even the first win was controversial, I don't even want to hear the excuses about Roy being weight drained and whatnot

Hopkins-it took Jones 10 years to give BHop a rematch but yet he has the audacity to talk about Mayweather, we saw how easily BHop won it.

Johnson-made it look easy, thoroughly dominated him from start to finish and then put him to sleep worse than Tarver did and this is an old Johnson who had been beaten by many (many of those controversially).

Let's not forget that he used Roids/PEDS so he had to cheat to get an edge, so with all that I would say that he is suspect and definitely overrated to some degree but not totally overrated.

He had great reflexes but terrible overall defensive fundamentals.

[Shpati]

He's Greatest of All Time of holding 6 belts:



Holding the IBO, IBA, and WBF or w/e was just a way to be gaudy lol.

[koolkc107]

Roy in his prime is arguably the best ever to do it P4P.

Nothing will change that, although admittedly he is trying his damnedest.

[hurricanemitch14]

Roy is undefeated at middle and super middle......didnt lose a legit fight after he bulked to 193 then lost to go back to 175. Retards will say Dawson was drained going from 175 to 168. Can u imagine a buff 193 and then slim back down to 175.

[Badhusker]

Roy Jones in his prime would have been serious competition for any middle or light heavy, ever. He was that good.

[sucracristo]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2388 ... d-reaction
won tko 2 yesterday. they say he might have one more tune-up before challenging huck

[birdman77]

Very tough and vague question only because he stayed around way way way too long. If you take Roy even up to the Tarver KO loss, he was almost as good as advertised. But just look at his record up to then, and going up to HW and back down to LHW.

[Shpati]

Roy Jones in his prime would have been serious competition for any middle or light heavy, ever. He was that good.

It needs to be a really good "tune up" imo then. Not some scrub.