Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

Froch vs Ward in July in England

Ward by KO
4
5%
Ward by decision
55
65%
Draw
2
2%
Froch by decision
19
22%
Froch by KO
5
6%
 
Total votes: 85

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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

Post by handsofstone »

Its irrelevant really but does anyone know why Ward was the only boxer in Super 6 who didn't have to fight away from home?
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
30% Brits, what the hell do you expect?
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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diddy wrote:
stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
30% Brits, what the hell do you expect?
As a Brit I'd say we are much more neutral than septic tanks
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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expe wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:Froch could never beat Ward in England, because England is not in California!

There's no way what Ward would come to England.

He'd probably vacate before having to find his passport & get a lift to LAX airport in order to board an aeroplane to go & fight in another land.

If I am wrong & Ward has finally realised that there is a world outside of California & he does opt to go to England, then it's hard to say.

Ward is now into the realms of the 'unknown' due to his inactivity & the fact that he had a serious injury not too long ago.

If Ward is remotely anything like he was when they first fought, there's no way Froch beats him: Ward was just better in all facets of boxing during that that fight.
The first fight was in Atlantic City, in New Jersey, 2,500 miles from California...
I know; I was being facetious.

Ward doesn't like fighting outside of California, but he will fight in other parts of the USA if necessary.

There's no way he would fight Froch in the UK.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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fergusg wrote:
expe wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:Froch could never beat Ward in England, because England is not in California!

There's no way what Ward would come to England.

He'd probably vacate before having to find his passport & get a lift to LAX airport in order to board an aeroplane to go & fight in another land.

If I am wrong & Ward has finally realised that there is a world outside of California & he does opt to go to England, then it's hard to say.

Ward is now into the realms of the 'unknown' due to his inactivity & the fact that he had a serious injury not too long ago.

If Ward is remotely anything like he was when they first fought, there's no way Froch beats him: Ward was just better in all facets of boxing during that that fight.
The first fight was in Atlantic City, in New Jersey, 2,500 miles from California...

Carl has already faced Andre on his home turf and it only seems right that the American returns the favour, especially considering the huge $4m+ payday he’d command.
This the comment I do not agree with. "It only seems right"??????
Ward won.It was not controversial he has remained undefeated since then.(though
quite inactive) I just don't think Ward HAS to do anything he doesn't want.
I think Ward considers this a respect issue.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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tiny_acres wrote:
This the comment I do not agree with. "It only seems right"??????
Ward won.It was not controversial he has remained undefeated since then.(though
quite inactive) I just don't think Ward HAS to do anything he doesn't want.
I think Ward considers this a respect issue.
Ward has issues of his own. Just take the fight, beat Froch in his home town, gain a tonne of respect and credibility, earn yaself the biggest payday of your career and be happy. No brainer.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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danamba7 wrote:
tiny_acres wrote:
This the comment I do not agree with. "It only seems right"??????
Ward won.It was not controversial he has remained undefeated since then.(though
quite inactive) I just don't think Ward HAS to do anything he doesn't want.
I think Ward considers this a respect issue.
Ward has issues of his own. Just take the fight, beat Froch in his home town, gain a tonne of respect and credibility, earn yaself the biggest payday of your career and be happy. No brainer.
If it was my career I would jump all over it.The money outweighs the respect issue.
Ward is adamant about the situation and like I said he has earned the right to dictate the terms
by virtue of his win over him.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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tiny_acres wrote:
danamba7 wrote:
tiny_acres wrote:
This the comment I do not agree with. "It only seems right"??????
Ward won.It was not controversial he has remained undefeated since then.(though
quite inactive) I just don't think Ward HAS to do anything he doesn't want.
I think Ward considers this a respect issue.
Ward has issues of his own. Just take the fight, beat Froch in his home town, gain a tonne of respect and credibility, earn yaself the biggest payday of your career and be happy. No brainer.
If it was my career I would jump all over it.The money outweighs the respect issue.
Ward is adamant about the situation and like I said he has earned the right to dictate the terms
by virtue of his win over him.
Debatable, the fight is much bigger in the UK so makes financial sense. Why let pride get in the way of drastically improving your bank balance!?
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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danamba7 wrote:
tiny_acres wrote:
tiny_acres wrote:
This the comment I do not agree with. "It only seems right"??????
Ward won.It was not controversial he has remained undefeated since then.(though
quite inactive) I just don't think Ward HAS to do anything he doesn't want.
I think Ward considers this a respect issue.
Ward has issues of his own. Just take the fight, beat Froch in his home town, gain a tonne of respect and credibility, earn yaself the biggest payday of your career and be happy. No brainer

If it was my career I would jump all over it.The money outweighs the respect issue.
Ward is adamant about the situation and like I said he has earned the right to dictate the terms
by virtue of his win over him.



Debatable, the fight is much bigger in the UK so makes financial sense. Why let pride get in the way of drastically improving your bank balance!?
Again.I would take the money.Ward is just stuck on this respect issue.
Why I have no idea.To me money talks.....It is all business respect can take a back seat
if I'm getting paid enough
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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The 3 People who have voted that Froch will get KO'd are strange!!!!
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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CTaylor1999 wrote:The 3 People who have voted that Froch will get KO'd are strange!!!!
True dat!
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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danamba7 wrote:
stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
In his last two fights he has performed at the level he's supposed to be capable of for about 30 seconds, when he turned it up before the stoppage first time round and one punch in the second.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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expe wrote:
danamba7 wrote:
stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
In his last two fights he has performed at the level he's supposed to be capable of for about 30 seconds, when he turned it up before the stoppage first time round and one punch in the second.
I fail to see how the 2nd fight was a bad performance! Cagey until the stoppage, yes, but bad, definitely not!
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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danamba7 wrote:
expe wrote:
danamba7 wrote:
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
In his last two fights he has performed at the level he's supposed to be capable of for about 30 seconds, when he turned it up before the stoppage first time round and one punch in the second.
I fail to see how the 2nd fight was a bad performance! Cagey until the stoppage, yes, but bad, definitely not!
I wouldn't say bad, but it definitely wasn't good either.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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danamba7 wrote:
stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
I never had froch in front at any point in either fight he landed one very good shot but that was it groves was out boxing him in the second fight
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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stevedoc wrote:
danamba7 wrote:
stevedoc wrote:I can't believe nearly 30℅ think froch would win , Carl has looked bad in his last to fights
Dafuq!? Groves 1 yeah. But Groves 2 he boxed carefully, was never in trouble and we all know what happened in round 8. Hardly a bad performance!
I never had froch in front at any point in either fight he landed one very good shot but that was it groves was out boxing him in the second fight
Each to their own I suppose but I thought it was very close leading up to the KO. Froch landed a couple of crude but effective combinations to the body and Groves landed that shot which made Froch stumble. I wouldn't say Groves was out-boxing Froch in the 2nd at all personally.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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The scores for Ward-Froch were not accurate at all, and sadly give people reason to think Froch was close to winning. He was embarrassed, that was nowhere near close. Ward outclassed him, beat him up, hurt him and bullied him into the ropes a few times something I've never seen anyone do to Carl.... and all this with one good hand. Lol I needed a good laugh, cue blind patriotism and convenient disregard for facts.

I sure wish Calzaghe had got ahold of Froch because Joe would have looked sensational
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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Ward will get his money.......Froch wants a fight Vegas bring his punching bag ass over and he'll shut out again. Hell maybe Ward wont break his hand this time.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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I voted a draw. I do think Ward is better, but him being on a layoff he will either come back better, more refreshed, or rusty. Froch I think will fight like it is his last fight, (like it is) and even though many think he is done, a guy can do a lot and is dangerous if he has nothing to lose. He will leave it in the ring, so to speak.

Will Ward take the challenge? I have my doubts. He is a diva that wants to control things. Its hard to argue that he likes his venue advantage, and has done well by it. Hope it gets done. If I was a betting man, I would bet Ward by close UD or split. Heart says Froch but head says Ward, no matter where it is held.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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hurricanemitch14 wrote:Ward will get his money.......Froch wants a fight Vegas bring his punching bag ass over and he'll shut out again. Hell maybe Ward wont break his hand this time.
Quote of the year so far, thank you
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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If I remember right, the scores on the first fight were actually pretty close, right? UD Ward, but won by about 3-4 rounds?
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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Badhusker wrote:If I remember right, the scores on the first fight were actually pretty close, right? UD Ward, but won by about 3-4 rounds?
8-4 but thats complete bs.....watch the fight Froch got man handled all night long. Ate right hands all night and looked confused the whole time.
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Re: Can Froch beat Ward in England ?

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Will be interesting to see if ward has dropped anything and stepping straight in against someone like Froch (I am aware they have fought before). Ward by 116 - 112.
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