Thurman vs Guerrero

ikorolev · Post by **ikorolev** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:42

Guerrero needs to get a new father. The one he has now is willing to get him killed.

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:43

they're advertising pac-floyd during the breaks but i haven't
heard anything about tickets...

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:45

guerrero is no quitter. i want to give him the 10th just for guts.
that cut looks deep, though. great round!

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:50

I understand Thurman is winning, easily, but he needs to realise fans won't out up with the running The boos will follow him, and this is second fight where he's had to hear them...

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:51

the way guerrero fought the 10th and 11th was how i thought
he would come out early. i thought if he could keep thurman
moving it might take away some of his power and the pressure
might win him some rounds. thurman was a better boxer on
the move than i thought, even though i knew he had skills.
thurman can just run out the clock.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:54

Good fight....Thurman is the real deal. Guerrero is a tough bastard.

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:55

i wouldn't complain if guerrero got 4-5 rounds on guts but
i think more likely the cards will be a landslide for thurman,
especially with the 10-8 round.
maybe 117-111? something like that

edit: doh! i typed the wrong name

ikorolev · Post by **ikorolev** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:56

Boxing Prospect wrote:I understand Thurman is winning, easily, but he needs to realise fans won't out up with the running The boos will follow him, and this is second fight where he's had to hear them...

That is a dumb part of fans. Keith has nothing to be ashamed of after this fight. He had to "run" even more. Most of opponents would quit after taking so much punishment as Guerrero took.

Badhusker · Post by **Badhusker** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:58

Thurman easy winner. Hats off to ghost for heart.

Will Khan step up now and take on Thurman?

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 07 Mar 2015, 23:59

ikorolev wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:I understand Thurman is winning, easily, but he needs to realise fans won't out up with the running The boos will follow him, and this is second fight where he's had to hear them...
That is a dumb part of fans. Keith has nothing to be ashamed of after this fight. He had to "run" even more. Most of opponents would quit after taking so much punishment as Guerrero took.

If Keith wants to talk the talk, claim he's "One Time" and "KO's 4 Life" then he's going to be judged by his mouth. When he fights negatively he'll be judged by the fans based on that negativity. Can you imagine...Kovalev running from a smaller opponent just because his opponent can take punishment? Can you imagine Golovkin running? Gonzalez? Inoue?

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:01

i didn't catch the cards but it sounded like all 3 had thurman
winning 10 rounds

CheckHook · Post by **CheckHook** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:05

Thurman should be boxing from the outside and really doesn't want to let any boo's or criticism of that style lure him into trading or being over eager. He looks much more vulnerable when he is getting overly aggressive, lunging in and trying to respond to shots after being hit. All his best work was from the outside. I know Guerrero was flat footed and doesn't really show any head movement, but it seems obvious now that with Thurmans size, power and ability he is going to be a very hard puzzle to solve when he boxes from the outside.

birdman77 · Post by **birdman77** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:16

It almost looked like Thurman was getting the business late. Was he stunned a little? Not just the backing up but the look on his face was noticeable.

He beat Guerrero very easily don't get me wrong. However, a better fighter could put Keith in the Twilight Zone.

Evander · Post by **Evander** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:24

What a superb fight between Thurman and Guerrero, it exceeded my expectations.
I wasn't 100% sure Keith Thuman was for real coming in but I sure do now, right from the start Thurman was all business and letting the punches go with power all over them.
Keith talked the talked and he unquestionably walked the walk and backed up almost everything he said, he hit Guerrero with full blooded shots bang on the button time and again.
Robert Guerrero is one tough fighter with a huge heart so don't be misled by the scorecards because Robert gave everything tonight and fought to the final bell.
The 9th and 10th rounds were extremely exciting and both of them were not pulling any punches at all, this was a real fight and one NBC are going to come out of with flying colours, an excellent main event no doubt about it.
Congratulations to Keith Thurman he is a hell of a good fighter and this will do his career a world of good, I can't wait to see him next time.
Same goes for Robert Guerrero, what a will to win this man has and if ever a boxer is made of the tough stuff look no further than Robert.
Regardless of who won both boxers will come out this fight with their reputations fully intact and more.
Of course Thurman will move onto bigger and better things and he has now made a serious mark at 147 pounds and will be a threat to all challengers at the higher end of the division, look out because he's got what it takes.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:28

Boxing Prospect wrote:
ikorolev wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote:I understand Thurman is winning, easily, but he needs to realise fans won't out up with the running The boos will follow him, and this is second fight where he's had to hear them...
That is a dumb part of fans. Keith has nothing to be ashamed of after this fight. He had to "run" even more. Most of opponents would quit after taking so much punishment as Guerrero took.
If Keith wants to talk the talk, claim he's "One Time" and "KO's 4 Life" then he's going to be judged by his mouth. When he fights negatively he'll be judged by the fans based on that negativity. Can you imagine...Kovalev running from a smaller opponent just because his opponent can take punishment? Can you imagine Golovkin running? Gonzalez? Inoue?

Keith put a beating on Guerrero......its rd 11, obvious that Guerrero isn't going anywhere and his only chance is to make it a brawl. So why would he stand toe to toe and brawl. Thurman has always been a mover who pot shots. Kovalev and GGG r more seek and destroy type fighter anyways.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:42

hurricanemitch14 wrote: Keith put a beating on Guerrero......its rd 11, obvious that Guerrero isn't going anywhere and his only chance is to make it a brawl. So why would he stand toe to toe and brawl. Thurman has always been a mover who pot shots. Kovalev and GGG r more seek and destroy type fighter anyways.

He put a beating on a guy who's naturally smaller, slower and lacks power, a guy he was hugely favoured to beat and a guy who's never stopped anyone above 135lbs (and even the stoppages there were against limited foes).

There is a HUGE gulf between standing toe-to-toe and running. Round 11 was running. The pot shotting is fine, but if he's wanting to get a big money pay day with Mayweather or Pacquiao he needs to make a statement. Saying "These guys ith ducking me, these guyth is scared of me, I ith one time, I hit them one time and thath it" isn't going to get him the multi-million pound pay days. He needs to do more than just win to get those pay days.

Use Inoue's destruction of Narvaez if you rather, that was a statement win done by a boxer against a tough opponent. That made the world sit up and take note. That turned a guy into a sensation.

Thurman's good, don't get me wrong, just no where near as good as his mouth is telling us he is, no where what his fans are suggesting, and he's no where the puncher his wants us to believe he is.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:46

Boxing Prospect wrote: He put a beating on a guy who's naturally smaller, slower and lacks power, a guy he was hugely favoured to beat and a guy who's never stopped anyone above 135lbs (and even the stoppages there were against limited foes).

There is a HUGE gulf between standing toe-to-toe and running. Round 11 was running. The pot shotting is fine, but if he's wanting to get a big money pay day with Mayweather or Pacquiao he needs to make a statement. Saying "These guys ith ducking me, these guyth is scared of me, I ith one time, I hit them one time and thath it" isn't going to get him the multi-million pound pay days. He needs to do more than just win to get those pay days.

Use Inoue's destruction of Narvaez if you rather, that was a statement win done by a boxer against a tough opponent. That made the world site up and take note. That turned a guy into a sensation.

Thurman's good, don't get me wrong, just no where near as good as his mouth is telling us he is, no where what his fans are suggesting, and he's no where the puncher his wants us to believe he is.

That's not quite fair.

Guerrero was a big guy for the lower classes. He looked a bit taller than Thurman in the ring, and he had the reach advantage. Thurman punished Robert more than Mayweather did, and also did what Mayweather couldn't in knocking him down. (Something no one has ever done to Robert professionally.) If you thought Thurman ran at any time in this fight, you must have thought Mayweather was running a marathon

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:47

He is just trying to hype the fight.....is this seriously the first time you've seen a fighter do that. Guerrero has been a rough guy at 147 even if he is "smaller" and I haven't seen anyone pushing him around the ring either. That was a good fight, ur nuts to say other wise.

Who at 147 outside Pacman and Floyd is gonna handle Thurman??? Bradley.....Kell....Porter....nah I think he'll do just fine.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:49

hurricanemitch14 wrote:He is just trying to hype the fight.....is this seriously the first time you've seen a fighter do that. Guerrero has been a rough guy at 147 even if he is "smaller" and I haven't seen anyone pushing him around the ring either. That was a good fight, ur nuts to say other wise.

Who at 147 outside Pacman and Floyd is gonna handle Thurman??? Bradley.....Kell....Porter....nah I think he'll do just fine.

Honestly, I think even Floyd and Pac would have their hands full with Thurman.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:55

I think he would pose problems too. Thurman vs the winner is the fight I'm interested in. I was very excited to see how he looked tonight against Guerrero, and he looked good. Thurman is the only fight at 147 that makes sense to boxing fans post Pacman/Floyd result.

I don't think he beats them but its very interesting.

sucracristo · Post by **sucracristo** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:57

Evander wrote:Thurman will move onto bigger and better things

i would like to see thurman fight brook. i would especially like it if thurman took
brook's title which threw a wrench in the khan-brook title fight, and then khan
didn't get his floyd/pac fight and was forced to actually fight thurman, bradley,
marquez, or maidana again.

Boxing Prospect · Post by **Boxing Prospect** » 08 Mar 2015, 00:59

Impractical Poster wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote: He put a beating on a guy who's naturally smaller, slower and lacks power, a guy he was hugely favoured to beat and a guy who's never stopped anyone above 135lbs (and even the stoppages there were against limited foes).

There is a HUGE gulf between standing toe-to-toe and running. Round 11 was running. The pot shotting is fine, but if he's wanting to get a big money pay day with Mayweather or Pacquiao he needs to make a statement. Saying "These guys ith ducking me, these guyth is scared of me, I ith one time, I hit them one time and thath it" isn't going to get him the multi-million pound pay days. He needs to do more than just win to get those pay days.

Use Inoue's destruction of Narvaez if you rather, that was a statement win done by a boxer against a tough opponent. That made the world site up and take note. That turned a guy into a sensation.

Thurman's good, don't get me wrong, just no where near as good as his mouth is telling us he is, no where what his fans are suggesting, and he's no where the puncher his wants us to believe he is.
That's not quite fair.

Guerrero was a big guy for the lower classes. He looked a bit taller than Thurman in the ring, and he had the reach advantage. Thurman punished Robert more than Mayweather did, and also did what Mayweather couldn't in knocking him down. (Something no one has ever done to Robert professionally.) If you thought Thurman ran at any time in this fight, you must have thought Mayweather was running a marathon

Thurman did punish Guerrero, can't argue there, much more than Mayweather did. Again no argument there. Thurman however had 10lbs of weight on Guerrero, was naturally faster and naturally stronger. Mayweather isn't talking about being a concussive puncher of "KO's 4 Life", he's not talking about the division avoiding him, he's not looking to make a statement win (at the same point in his career he was dismantling Corrales and schooling Hernandez).

If you want to say the division is avoiding you, YOU need to do something special.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:He is just trying to hype the fight.....is this seriously the first time you've seen a fighter do that. Guerrero has been a rough guy at 147 even if he is "smaller" and I haven't seen anyone pushing him around the ring either. That was a good fight, ur nuts to say other wise.

Who at 147 outside Pacman and Floyd is gonna handle Thurman??? Bradley.....Kell....Porter....nah I think he'll do just fine.

No it's not, and I hate EVERYTIME they hype and don't deliver. I'm disgusted by the idea of Coyle Vs Campbell for the same reason, Haye Vs Audley (much of Haye's career for that matter).

Hard to say but lets not pretend Bradley, Kell, Porter, Khan, aren't capable of giving him a fight.

His fans want to say he's going to be the star of American boxing yet in his most notable tests he's not looked like a star. He's looked like a GOOD fighter, not a STAR.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 08 Mar 2015, 01:05

Boxing Prospect wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:
Boxing Prospect wrote: He put a beating on a guy who's naturally smaller, slower and lacks power, a guy he was hugely favoured to beat and a guy who's never stopped anyone above 135lbs (and even the stoppages there were against limited foes).

There is a HUGE gulf between standing toe-to-toe and running. Round 11 was running. The pot shotting is fine, but if he's wanting to get a big money pay day with Mayweather or Pacquiao he needs to make a statement. Saying "These guys ith ducking me, these guyth is scared of me, I ith one time, I hit them one time and thath it" isn't going to get him the multi-million pound pay days. He needs to do more than just win to get those pay days.

Use Inoue's destruction of Narvaez if you rather, that was a statement win done by a boxer against a tough opponent. That made the world site up and take note. That turned a guy into a sensation.

Thurman's good, don't get me wrong, just no where near as good as his mouth is telling us he is, no where what his fans are suggesting, and he's no where the puncher his wants us to believe he is.
That's not quite fair.

Guerrero was a big guy for the lower classes. He looked a bit taller than Thurman in the ring, and he had the reach advantage. Thurman punished Robert more than Mayweather did, and also did what Mayweather couldn't in knocking him down. (Something no one has ever done to Robert professionally.) If you thought Thurman ran at any time in this fight, you must have thought Mayweather was running a marathon
Thurman did punish Guerrero, can't argue there, much more than Mayweather did. Again no argument there. Thurman however had 10lbs of weight on Guerrero, was naturally faster and naturally stronger. Mayweather isn't talking about being a concussive puncher of "KO's 4 Life", he's not talking about the division avoiding him, he's not looking to make a statement win (at the same point in his career he was dismantling Corrales and schooling Hernandez).

If you want to say the division is avoiding you, YOU need to do something special.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:He is just trying to hype the fight.....is this seriously the first time you've seen a fighter do that. Guerrero has been a rough guy at 147 even if he is "smaller" and I haven't seen anyone pushing him around the ring either. That was a good fight, ur nuts to say other wise.

Who at 147 outside Pacman and Floyd is gonna handle Thurman??? Bradley.....Kell....Porter....nah I think he'll do just fine.
No it's not, and I hate EVERYTIME they hype and don't deliver. I'm disgusted by the idea of Coyle Vs Campbell for the same reason, Haye Vs Audley (much of Haye's career for that matter).

Hard to say but lets not pretend Bradley, Kell, Porter, Khan, aren't capable of giving him a fight.

His fans want to say he's going to be the star of American boxing yet in his most notable tests he's not looked like a star. He's looked like a GOOD fighter, not a STAR.

There was big question about where he really was in career going into tonight.... I thought he passed, he beat the piss out of Guerrero. Guerrero is a top 5 Welter going into tonight and he lost at least 10 of the 12 rds badly lost those rds. He's still young and growing as fighter, so sure we 'fans' have to be intrigued when he gets into the ring with the like of Bradley,Kell, or Porter. Khan gets blasted in a few rds.

Impractical Poster · Post by **Impractical Poster** » 08 Mar 2015, 01:06

I felt he did something special. Especially when you consider that Mayweather is the only other man to have defeated Robert in a 9 year span. Robert's chin is proven. Thurman could have been a much more defensive fighter and potshotted his way to a UD like Floyd did. But he elected to put himself out there from time to time to try and get the stoppage.

What really impresses me about Thurman is that he can effectively be the aggressor, or the defensive boxer. The guy is the full package.

hurricanemitch14 · Post by **hurricanemitch14** » 08 Mar 2015, 01:10

I agree!!!

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