PBC Ratings Poll

[ReggieDiggs]

I don't know but the commentators tonight were horrible Ray was biased as fuuck towards broner and Thurman and that other guy was calling wrong punches all night.

Agree. Idk why almost only old people can talk & judge boxing in the "powers that be" estimation. Throw me a bunch of 25 year olds judging fights & throw some Youtube personality as the Jim Lampley guy & I think it'd be a more enjoyable telecast from those angles.

[Perseus]

I don't know but the commentators tonight were horrible Ray was biased as fuuck towards broner and Thurman and that other guy was calling wrong punches all night.

Agree. Idk why almost only old people can talk & judge boxing in the "powers that be" estimation. Throw me a bunch of 25 year olds judging fights & throw some Youtube personality as the Jim Lampley guy & I think it'd be a more enjoyable telecast from those angles.

Second.

Boxing needs to get rid of these geezers.

At least they kind of started to join the modern world by having a female commentator with Laila Ali being there, glad to see that.
It looks like their choices were all based on name recognition, these geezers all have long established name recognition.
If this series does well, hopefully they will start changing out these commentators with younger people.

[benion]

Smoger & Laila Ali were the two best of the production team. Marv & Ray has to go. Ray should do pre & post fight commentary at the table with Al Michaels. Have rotating color analyst. Bring in trainers and boxers. Hopefully Paulie will be on the CBS card. It was to sanitized. You have to let Broner be Broner. He's known for his anticts just as much as his boxing. Molina was a huge disappointment.

[Dennis]

I liked that Smoger criticized Byrd.

[ReggieDiggs]

PBC Boxing draws a 2.5 overnight household rating in primetime on NBC

Preliminary viewership is subject to revision because the west coast is not handled properly for live events, looks like 3.13 million in preliminary numbers.

Per NBC Sports PR, last night’s debut of PBC Boxing in primetime on NBC averaged a 2.53/5 household rating/share from 8:30-11p ET and was highest-rated sporting event from 9-11p ET (2.67). The 2.53 overnight rating nearly tripled NBC average for Saturday afternoon fights from 2012-14 (.88) according to NBC. We’ll update this post with preliminary viewership as soon as we see it.

NBC says the rating increased every half hour & peaked at 3.01 from 10:30-11pm ET for final 6 rounds of Thurman-Guerrero bout.

Top markets for Premier Boxing Champions on NBC:

Norfolk 5.5/8
Cincinnati 4.9/10
San Antonio 4.8/9
New Orleans 4.3/7
Ft. Myers 3.9/7
Sacramento 3.7/8
Dayton 3.6/6
Orlando 3.3/6
Philadelphia 3.3/6
Tulsa 3.2/5

[Tony1244]

I liked that Smoger criticized Byrd.

I liked that too and was pleasantly surprised. Smoker was right; at one point it looked like Byrd was talking to two guys in a bar. I mean how long should a warning take?

[krackle]

PBC Boxing draws a 2.5 overnight household rating in primetime on NBC

Preliminary viewership is subject to revision because the west coast is not handled properly for live events, looks like 3.13 million in preliminary numbers.

Per NBC Sports PR, last night’s debut of PBC Boxing in primetime on NBC averaged a 2.53/5 household rating/share from 8:30-11p ET and was highest-rated sporting event from 9-11p ET (2.67). The 2.53 overnight rating nearly tripled NBC average for Saturday afternoon fights from 2012-14 (.88) according to NBC. We’ll update this post with preliminary viewership as soon as we see it.

NBC says the rating increased every half hour & peaked at 3.01 from 10:30-11pm ET for final 6 rounds of Thurman-Guerrero bout.

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I should post some numbers from Germany to put that into perspective. And they fight at around 11:15 to midnight.
To me 3.13 sounds awful.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I know we can pull that in over here in the UK.

surely 5m isn't that outrageous a figure in the states, or is boxing not as big over there as I thought?

That's what we've been trying to tell you guys. Froch can fill a stadium in the UK but most of our fighters of similar accomplishments can't fill an arena. That's why I have to come to this forum to discuss boxing. It's almost impossible to find anyone in regular life in American who really follows boxing. We're mostly big fight fans.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

It's crazy how the advertising was so limited. FNF has many sponsors and commercials, but boxing on network TV couldn't draw anything.

Whatever, this response from "money" is typical in America. I bet everyone will be throwing money at Bob's network broadcast if/when he tries to go mainstream.

[ReggieDiggs]

I should post some numbers from Germany to put that into perspective. And they fight at around 11:15 to midnight.
To me 3.13 sounds awful.

What major sports do you got there?

In the US I believe Boxing is the #11 biggest sport or something like that & this card just drew 2x of one of the sports above boxing which is a W in my book. Plus we got a nation of gamers. I know 3 people making a living playing video games all day on Twitch ffs. The celeb culture is DEEP in the US. When Kendall Jenner takes a sh!t twitter blows up. I don't believe its really comparable here to the UK or Germany or other countries. Boxing has taken a big backseat to other sports since it was running things back in those early days of TV. And there are so many other things people do these days in the US that take there time & leave them less time to watch what to them is one random guy hitting another random guy in the head. Its a different culture, a different audience here.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I should post some numbers from Germany to put that into perspective. And they fight at around 11:15 to midnight.
To me 3.13 sounds awful.

What major sports do you got there?

In the US I believe Boxing is the #11 biggest sport or something like that & this card just drew 2x of one of the sports above boxing which is a W in my book. Plus we got a nation of gamers. I know 3 people making a living playing video games all day on Twitch ffs. The celeb culture is DEEP in the US. When Kendall Jenner takes a sh!t twitter blows up. I don't believe its really comparable here to the UK or Germany or other countries. Boxing has taken a big backseat to other sports since it was running things back in those early days of TV. And there are so many other things people do these days in the US that take there time & leave them less time to watch what to them is some random guys hitting each other in the head. Its a different culture, a different audience here.

Americans are the type of people who are comfortable providing Kim Kardashian's little sister the means to buy a $2.3M house ... but argue viciously against public welfare programs such as paid time off for women who just had a child.

It's not CELEB CULTURE, it's pure stupidity. Last night's show would have been a much bigger "success" if Broner was allowed to be Broner.

[ReggieDiggs]

It's crazy how the advertising was so limited. FNF has many sponsors and commercials, but boxing on network TV couldn't draw anything.

Whatever, this response from "money" is typical in America. I bet everyone will be throwing money at Bob's network broadcast if/when he tries to go mainstream.

I don't watch sh!t with ads, but I've heard many say there was a TON of advertising. Idk for a fact just going on what I've seen people say.

I don't see how you aren't seeing this as a W though in particular if you don't believe there was much advertising. It was the highest rated thing in the coveted 18-49 age bracket. 3.1M is the most people watching a fight in the US that I can recall. Boxing is sorta starting from scratch. They haven't done primetime boxing in 3 decades. You aren't going 0 to competing with NFL football or whatever people are expecting out of the gate.

The UFC is doing similar numbers. They blew up on the freak show angle at first getting almost 6M watching, but they quickly dwindled down to the 2M-4M range. Believe their last show did 3Mish. So its right in line with the UFC.

[ReggieDiggs]

Americans are the type of people who are comfortable providing Kim Kardashian's little sister the means to buy a $2.3M house ... but argue viciously against public welfare programs such as paid time off for women who just had a child.

It's not CELEB CULTURE, it's pure stupidity. Last night's show would have been a much bigger "success" if Broner was allowed to be Broner.

The propaganda & brainwashing in the US might be stronger than Germany when Hitler was around. We are just doing much chiller sh!t like buying stuff & freaking out about a famous person's ass we've seen millions of times already lol. I don't disagree with anything you are saying there & I'm a minimalist who's trying to contain my celeb sextape addiction so I'm fighting the good fight.

And yea Adrien being Adrien woulda did wonders for this card. Adrien woulda turned PBC viral some sorta way if he'd not had been collared last night. Idk the reasoning there if its Al or NBC related. If its Al related his plan is doomed cuz he's got a dated concept of what people want & if its NBC this NBC thing won't work out, but maybe the PBC thing on Spike (or other non-national channels) will be HUGE.

[benion]

It's crazy how the advertising was so limited. FNF has many sponsors and commercials, but boxing on network TV couldn't draw anything.

Whatever, this response from "money" is typical in America. I bet everyone will be throwing money at Bob's network broadcast if/when he tries to go mainstream.

FNF is on ESPN. ESPN has more leverage than PBC. If you want to but advertising for Sports Center you have to buy some space on FNF. They aren't going to let advertisers only buy on their most popular shows.

[Perseus]

Boxing needs something it rarely gets.
POSITIVE mainstream media coverage.
Letting Broner be a douche-bag on the first primetime, network tv boxing in forever would not have been positive.
Blowing up twitter with hatred would not be a good thing for the sport it would just be more ammunition for the haters to continue to put the sport down.

Most of the mainstream media coverage about boxing is almost always negative and on the rare occasion of positive media coverage they still slip in something negative.
Most of the upcoming media blitz about Pac/May will have plenty of talk about how boxing "needs" a big fight, how the sport "is on the ropes" and declarations of it being "the last" big fight the "dying" sport has to offer.
It's almost like there is an unwritten rule that mainstream American media coverage of boxing has to be negative.
Every time a boxer dies after a fight anywhere in the world it's on the front page of the espn website, while great fights are routinely ignored.

Boxing is a niche sport in America now and it's unlikely to be anything more than that anytime soon but if it is going to make a comeback to something close to glory days it's going to be on the back of positive media coverage not negative media.

BTW:
You think it's hard finding boxing fans in America?
Try finding parents who would let their children take up boxing or push them into the sport.

[Tony1244]

Americans are the type of people who are comfortable providing Kim Kardashian's little sister the means to buy a $2.3M house ... but argue viciously against public welfare programs such as paid time off for women who just had a child.

It's not CELEB CULTURE, it's pure stupidity. Last night's show would have been a much bigger "success" if Broner was allowed to be Broner.[/quote]


The people who are into the Kardashians but who "Argue viciously against public welfare programs such as paid time off for women who just had a child," are not necessarily the same people. i never understood why people are famous for just being famous.

[ReggieDiggs]

Boxing needs something it rarely gets.
POSITIVE mainstream media coverage.
Letting Broner be a douche-bag on the first primetime, network tv boxing in forever would not have been positive.
Blowing up twitter with hatred would not be a good thing for the sport it would just be more ammunition for the haters to continue to put the sport down.

Most of the mainstream media coverage about boxing is almost always negative and on the rare occasion of positive media coverage they still slip in something negative.
Most of the upcoming media blitz about Pac/May will have plenty of talk about how boxing "needs" a big fight, how the sport "is on the ropes" and declarations of it being "the last" big fight the "dying" sport has to offer.
It's almost like there is an unwritten rule that mainstream American media coverage of boxing has to be negative.
Every time a boxer dies after a fight anywhere in the world it's on the front page of the espn website, while great fights are routinely ignored.

Boxing is a niche sport in America now and it's unlikely to be anything more than that anytime soon but if it is going to make a comeback to something close to glory days it's going to be on the back of positive media coverage not negative media.

BTW:
You think it's hard finding boxing fans in America?
Try finding parents who would let their children take up boxing or push them into the sport.

I'm actually on board with most of what you're saying & your overall stance. And I think we are in the minority of thinking "positive" boxing coverage is a goal people in boxing should have & negative boxing coverage should be swatted down like an annoying bug.

The difference we'd have with this topic would be in that I don't wanna have boxers all take on that Oscar/Ray cardboard cutout perfect male role model angle if thats not who they are.

I think the negative slant boxing gets by the public is cuz of all the negative things. There is a ton of corruption that a blind person can see. There are too many belts. Promoters have done awful things to screw over boxers. And guys can get severely hurt or killed in the ring. You can't change any of that stuff though. It is what it is & it won't be a perception thats changed overnight.

What you can do is get the people in the sport to quit sh!tting on the thing that helps pay their rent. It seems obviously, but telling Teddy to not sh!t on the fight ESPN is showing when ESPN pays you money shouldn't be that hard a concept to grasp & if its not grasped Teddy should be getting a gig selling boxing gloves on some shopping channel at 3am.

What we shouldn't be doing is stifling a boxers persona in the sport. The differences boxers have should be promoted. Even if they are negative. And hell sometimes Adrien can be legit funny. But he's gonna get eyes on the sport & they need eyes. If Adrien says f#ck on TV or something that he's not supposed to do or say, fine him & make it a big to do by PBC. That gets more eyes on the fight.

Right now they are attempting to build a product people wanna watch & people wanna see the good & the bad. If people just wanted to see the good, porn wouldn't be so damn popular on the internet & shows with anti heros wouldn't be so popular right now. If they wanted things to go off smooth for just the first show fair enough, but I think its another in a list of mistakes PBC made last night that coulda made things pop & that has me believing their concept needs adjusting or what NBC is letting them get away with is extremely limited for the duration of this deal or til they acquire certain numbers even though they are buying the time.

I'll be watching whatever the case.

[davie]

I know we can pull that in over here in the UK.

surely 5m isn't that outrageous a figure in the states, or is boxing not as big over there as I thought?

That's what we've been trying to tell you guys. Froch can fill a stadium in the UK but most of our fighters of similar accomplishments can't fill an arena. That's why I have to come to this forum to discuss boxing. It's almost impossible to find anyone in regular life in American who really follows boxing. We're mostly big fight fans.

found some figures from 2011

Sky
18/12/2011 - Ward-Froch - 248,000
11/12/2011 - Khan-Peterson - 237,000
12/09/2011 McCloskey-Prescott & Klitschko-Adamek - 193,000
16/07/2011 Murray-Mitchell - 190,000
07/05/2011 International Prizefighters Heavyweights - 170,000
02/12/2011 - Sturm-Murray - 141,000
25/06/2011 Brook-N'Dou & Sturm-Macklin - 133,000
03/12/2011 - Arron-Rose - 126,000
12/11/2011 - Vassell-Colomban - 123,000

Channel 5
23/07/2011 Chisora-Fury - 2,220,000
17/09/2011 Fury-Firtha - 1,030,000
12/11/2011 Fury-Pajkic - 1,736,000

ITV
10/12/2005 Harrison-Williams 6.1million
05/04/2008 Khan-Kristjansen 4.37 million
02/02/2008 Khan-St Clair 4.15 million
08/12/2007 Khan-Earl 4.14 million
21/06/2008 Khan-Gomez 3.98 million
and now
28/02/2015 Frampton-Avalos 1.9million

Sky is a subscription sports channel (well actually about 8 sports channels now)
But the figures from the terrestrial (free to view) channels are astounding,
4m watching Khans fledgling career at domestic level,
2m watching a cumbersome Fury smashing out bums,
6 effing million watching Audley Harrison
and now Carl Frampton, A bantamweight boxer from Northern Ireland that will only now be entering the consciousness of the casual boxing fan, pulling in 2m on his first outing on ITV

Before I read this thread, If someone asked my how people view boxing in the USA, I'd have said take these figures and multiply by 5!

[davie]

Boxing needs something it rarely gets.
POSITIVE mainstream media coverage.
Letting Broner be a douche-bag on the first primetime, network tv boxing in forever would not have been positive.
Blowing up twitter with hatred would not be a good thing for the sport it would just be more ammunition for the haters to continue to put the sport down.

Most of the mainstream media coverage about boxing is almost always negative and on the rare occasion of positive media coverage they still slip in something negative.
Most of the upcoming media blitz about Pac/May will have plenty of talk about how boxing "needs" a big fight, how the sport "is on the ropes" and declarations of it being "the last" big fight the "dying" sport has to offer.
It's almost like there is an unwritten rule that mainstream American media coverage of boxing has to be negative.
Every time a boxer dies after a fight anywhere in the world it's on the front page of the espn website, while great fights are routinely ignored.

Boxing is a niche sport in America now and it's unlikely to be anything more than that anytime soon but if it is going to make a comeback to something close to glory days it's going to be on the back of positive media coverage not negative media.

BTW:
You think it's hard finding boxing fans in America?
Try finding parents who would let their children take up boxing or push them into the sport.

I'm actually on board with most of what you're saying & your overall stance. And I think we are in the minority of thinking "positive" boxing coverage is a goal people in boxing should have & negative boxing coverage should be swatted down like an annoying bug.

The difference we'd have with this topic would be in that I don't wanna have boxers all take on that Oscar/Ray cardboard cutout perfect male role model angle if thats not who they are.

I think the negative slant boxing gets by the public is cuz of all the negative things. There is a ton of corruption that a blind person can see. There are too many belts. Promoters have done awful things to screw over boxers. And guys can get severely hurt or killed in the ring. You can't change any of that stuff though. It is what it is & it won't be a perception thats changed overnight.

What you can do is get the people in the sport to quit sh!tting on the thing that helps pay their rent. It seems obviously, but telling Teddy to not sh!t on the fight ESPN is showing when ESPN pays you money shouldn't be that hard a concept to grasp & if its not grasped Teddy should be getting a gig selling boxing gloves on some shopping channel at 3am.

What we shouldn't be doing is stifling a boxers persona in the sport. The differences boxers have should be promoted. Even if they are negative. And hell sometimes Adrien can be legit funny. But he's gonna get eyes on the sport & they need eyes. If Adrien says f#ck on TV or something that he's not supposed to do or say, fine him & make it a big to do by PBC. That gets more eyes on the fight.

Right now they are attempting to build a product people wanna watch & people wanna see the good & the bad. If people just wanted to see the good, porn wouldn't be so damn popular on the internet & shows with anti heros wouldn't be so popular right now. If they wanted things to go off smooth for just the first show fair enough, but I think its another in a list of mistakes PBC made last night that coulda made things pop & that has me believing their concept needs adjusting or what NBC is letting them get away with is extremely limited for the duration of this deal or til they acquire certain numbers even though they are buying the time.

I'll be watching whatever the case.

They do say no publicity is bad publicity

The genuinely news worthy negative stuff surrounding boxers will still promote boxing, even if it does so in a poor light

But one thing Perseus say that's bang on the money, is there's no need to talk down the sport and put meaningless negative slants on even news that should be positive

[ReggieDiggs]

But one thing Perseus say that's bang on the money, is there's no need to talk down the sport and put meaningless negative slants on even news that should be positive

But thats not how the world works. When Kim Kardashian or Michael Vick come on your TV there are gonna be talk show hosts or news people who are gonna have a negative spin on them today over things they've done in their past. Thats as prepackaged for those people who've got a negative spin to themselves as boxing has a negative spin on itself for that same type of audience due to its history which isn't debatable.

All boxing people can do is make sure boxing people talk about the sport in a positive light & that will slowly make a impact. You can't stop the people from sh!tting on the sport who only know about Tyson biting an ear off of some guy or Ray Mancini killing that guy or Don King f#cking over so many of his fighters.

Its not surprising to me that the mainstream news or general sports people have a negative take on boxing cuz you can watch boxing Friday & get plenty of negativity right there. Why would a mainstream news or general sports person have a positive spin on boxing when he hears a negative spin right from the people supposedly promoting the sport?

[davie]

But one thing Perseus say that's bang on the money, is there's no need to talk down the sport and put meaningless negative slants on even news that should be positive

But thats not how the world works. When Kim Kardashian or Michael Vick come on your TV there are gonna be talk show hosts or news people who are gonna have a negative spin on them today over things they've done in their past. Thats as prepackaged for those people who've got a negative spin to themselves as boxing has a negative spin on itself for that same type of audience due to its history which isn't debatable.

All boxing people can do is make sure boxing people talk about the sport in a positive light & that will slowly make a impact. You can't stop the people from sh!tting on the sport who only know about Tyson biting an ear off of some guy or Ray Mancini killing that guy or Don King f#cking over so many of his fighters.

Its not surprising to me that the mainstream news or general sports people have a negative take on boxing cuz you can watch boxing Friday & get plenty of negativity right there. Why would a mainstream news or general sports person have a positive spin on boxing when he hears a negative spin right from the people supposedly promoting the sport?

That's knida what I was geting at. There's no need for the people within boxing to speak negatively about the sport

[ReggieDiggs]

Fair enough. I misunderstood you. Thought you meant people outside of the sport.

After sleeping on these events & reading others comments I think I see why Adrien was stifled & cats ringwalks were for the first time in history exclusively Hans Zimmer music for an entire card. Advertisers.

Can't have Adrien saying the F word or talking about his sextape if Tide & Pepsi aren't on board yet. Scare them away before they even get on board. It seemed like they had virtually no serious advertisers involved with this show. And there might be something to being disturbingly PC (imho) to try to attract some in. Fat Dan said his mom not only watched the show, but enjoyed it on his twitter the other day. I think thats something we as boxing fans should love hearing even if you didn't enjoy certain aspects of the show as I think most of us did. I'm thinking to get the biggest US boxing audience in idk how long going more PC might be key to this being a success now & moving forward.

I suppose thats kinda effed up from one aspect as in a different time to think of Mike Tyson being forced to come to the ring to Hans Zimmer woulda seemed like a huge misuse of his persona, but sh!t man sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do I guess. If this is going to be the reality & we will be seeing the same guys to some degree I think you wanna incorporate created entrance music for fighters that is more...domesticated lol, for lack of a better term cuz that Zimmer sh!t was horribly lame. Basically like the WWE does. Sell it on Itunes or something. Personally I get goose bumps when I hear U2 & know Wladimir is coming to the ring or AC/DC & know Manny is bout to throw down. You gotta let some more personality shine thru than just Keith playing a bird flute & having cancer survivor Casey Guerrero's husband who happens to fight be on the cards.

[koolkc107]

I thought the idea of having to tone Broner down (and everyone acknowledging the need for it) actually worked FOR the broadcast.

[ReggieDiggs]

More info about PBC. Looks like when the final numbers were released PBC ended up getting a few more viewers (3.4M). And it was the highest rated boxing telecast on TV in 17 years which was a Fox show that had a Yori Boy Campas title defense & also had a 14-0 Floyd Mayweather fight shown on tape delay.

Saturday night’s debut of the Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) on NBC was the most-watched professional boxing broadcast since 1998, according to Fast National Data from The Nielsen Company.

The PBC on NBC telecast averaged 3.4 million viewers, ranking as the most-watched professional boxing broadcast in 17 years (“Oscar De La Hoya’s Fight Night” on FOX, 5.9 million, Mon., March 23, 1998). Viewership increased every half hour through the telecast and peaked at 4.2 million from 10:30-11 p.m. ET during the exciting Rounds 7-12 of Keith Thurman’s unanimous decision over Robert Guerrero

One of the most important numbers to note is that PBC on NBC also led NBC to a Saturday primetime victory among Adults 18-49, with a 1.08 rating in the demographic.

“The return of primetime boxing to NBC for the first time in three decades got off to a strong start last weekend with Saturday’s PBC on NBC debut,” said Jon Miller, President of Programming for NBC Sports and NBCSN. “With our next primetime telecast on Saturday, April 11, we look forward to building on the momentum that this first event clearly established. We are excited that high-quality boxing is back on NBC.”

More numbers:

Saturday night’s telecast (8:30-11 p.m. ET) posted a 2.11/4 fast national rating – up 174% from the average boxing telecast on NBC from 2012-14 (.77). It is also the highest-rated professional boxing broadcast since the ’98 De La Hoya show on FOX (4.29).

More than 575,000 minutes (576,435) of PBC on NBC coverage was live streamed via NBC Sports Live Extra to desktops, tablets and mobile devices – ranking as the third-best Saturday night this year behind the NFL Wild Card Playoff (Jan. 3, 2015) and the NHL Stadium Series game (Feb. 21, 2015).

The return of PBC on NBC will return from New York in a double header when Danny Garcia takes on Lamont Peterson and Andy Lee puts his title on the line against New Yorker Peter Quillin.

According to other numbers PBC on NBC beat out everything in the same time slot with the exception of the Duke-North Carolina game on Saturday.