PBC BELT HA HA HA HA

[jujigatame]

One belt ain't doing that much damage when there are 3-4 dozen or so "world" belts & 4-7+ "legit world" belts lol.

I think this is just Haymon hate.

It doesn't do "that much" damage. But it does damage. And it does more damage than another minor ABC belt (like the WBU or whatever) because this belt will have a lot of promotional muscle behind it and more casual fans will actually be fooled into thinking it is meaningful.

[ReggieDiggs]

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day when a boxing fan would defend the abc orgs. Wow. I'm shocked.

I don't see the upside in 4 belts or 5 (if you count the ring) or 6 (if you count the ring & the lineal) or 7+ (if you count the ring & the lineal & the various abc belts for super, interim & etc. "champs"). Who cares if there is one more? Why care? An there are probably 3 or 4 dozen lesser belts. Whats one more gonna do? I don't understand all the hoopla over a potential PBC belt.

First of all there are 4 belts. These are the belts that are the official championships. This is because all 4 organizations: WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF all recognize each other as legitimate boxing organizations. On top of that all 4 are by far the biggest organizations. So you can throw out any other ones that exist.

Secondly there is no such a thing as a "lineal belt". Being the lineal champion (today) means to hold all 4 belts in a weight category. Then you are considered a lineal champion or in other words "undisputed".

The ring championship is given by the Ring Magazine and is only awarded to champions who already hold one or more of the 4 above mentioned belts. It is basically to determine who is the best fighter in the division, because as you may know many champions, like Haymon's Santa Cruz, are protected from fighting the real champions like Rigo.

And that's it. You can forget about any other belts. WBA Regular&Interim are just joke belts and are not real. Ignore them. The super belt is the only one that matters from the WBA.

Man you are hugged up with this concept. I feel like you are a kid hyping up his mom who's a crackhead. The abc orgs have hurt boxing. Thats the main point & the bottom line to me. If those orgs get further diluted & perhaps destroyed I'd celebrate it. But okay fair enough, to you, their are 4 "champions". For me I think thats retarded. Personally if someone added a 5th "champion" it wouldn't make things much more retarded if it did at all & thats with the assumption it would even become something big & it doesn't become like the WBU or IBO belts.

[ReggieDiggs]

One belt ain't doing that much damage when there are 3-4 dozen or so "world" belts & 4-7+ "legit world" belts lol.

I think this is just Haymon hate.

It doesn't do "that much" damage. But it does damage. And it does more damage than another minor ABC belt (like the WBU or whatever) because this belt will have a lot of promotional muscle behind it and more casual fans will actually be fooled into thinking it is meaningful.

Valid point with the promotional muscle line.

But isn't the chance of this whole PBC thing (which seems to be one of the most impactful entities in boxing history already with what like 6-7 TV deals & perhaps 1 or 2 still pending, 170 odd fighters under their umbrella including 50-60 top ten caliber guys & seemingly a huge bankroll) terraforming the current boxing landscape enough of a good thing that its worth risking a 5th "champion" in our 4 "champion" world?

For me it does. Its already bs to me to have up to 68 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions & if there is a 1% chance of their being 17 boxers being considered the best I'll gladly watch the gamble that could led to 85 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions. So to make this a math equation (assuming my percentages are correct lol) I'd risk adding 25% more "champions" into the game to possibly reduce the champions down by 300%.

[jujigatame]

Valid point with the promotional muscle line.

But isn't the chance of this whole PBC thing (which seems to be one of the most impactful entities in boxing history already with what like 6-7 TV deals & perhaps 1 or 2 still pending, 170 odd fighters under their umbrella including 50-60 top ten caliber guys & seemingly a huge bankroll) terraforming the current boxing landscape enough of a good thing that its worth risking a 5th "champion" in our 4 "champion" world?

For me it does. Its already bs to me to have up to 68 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions & if there is a 1% chance of their being 17 boxers being considered the best I'll gladly watch the gamble that could led to 85 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions. So to make this a math equation (assuming my percentages are correct lol) I'd risk adding 25% more "champions" into the game to possibly reduce the champions down by 300%.

You are being way overly optimistic. No way they are gonna put the ABCs out of business with this. No chance.

I'm all for Heymon getting more boxing on TV, but if they make their own titles I can't see it as anything but a negative. Maybe not a huge negative (the good still outweighs the bad as long as they're putting good fights on TV) but a negative nonetheless.

[ReggieDiggs]

Valid point with the promotional muscle line.

But isn't the chance of this whole PBC thing (which seems to be one of the most impactful entities in boxing history already with what like 6-7 TV deals & perhaps 1 or 2 still pending, 170 odd fighters under their umbrella including 50-60 top ten caliber guys & seemingly a huge bankroll) terraforming the current boxing landscape enough of a good thing that its worth risking a 5th "champion" in our 4 "champion" world?

For me it does. Its already bs to me to have up to 68 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions & if there is a 1% chance of their being 17 boxers being considered the best I'll gladly watch the gamble that could led to 85 boxers considering themselves the best in 17 divisions. So to make this a math equation (assuming my percentages are correct lol) I'd risk adding 25% more "champions" into the game to possibly reduce the champions down by 300%.

You are being way overly optimistic. No way they are gonna put the ABCs out of business with this. No chance.

I'm all for Heymon getting more boxing on TV, but if they make their own titles I can't see it as anything but a negative. Maybe not a huge negative (the good still outweighs the bad as long as they're putting good fights on TV) but a negative nonetheless.

If a 1% chance is too optimistic boxing is gonna suck as far as real champions go for a long ass time. 1% might be optimistic for Don King, Bob Arum & all the abc org presidents being in a three way airplane accident, but I don't believe things to be THAT dim for boxing having 1 champion at some point in the near future.

The fact my % is so low has more to do with not knowing Al's intentions more than I think he couldn't do such a thing if that was his goal. Al's rise in boxing is damn near messiah-like ffs. Three years ago if I told you a non-promoter would have a roster of 170+ fighters or would have 6+ TV deals or would have boxing on prime time US TV in 2015 you'd definitely have said all three of those things had a less than 1% chance of happening & rightfully so & so would I.

I think the abc orgs already see the threat. The are joining forces lately alot. They see the threat as AIBA Pro Boxing & not PBC though.