Carlos Monzon v John Conteh

[misterpunch]

But you can assure me that such is not the case? Get back to me on this, so that the matter can be settled once and for all.[/quote]

why dontcha just round up every sparring partner monzon ever had and ask them the same thing - you're using the flimsy judgement of a guy who knows no better than my ginger cat.

this is an opinion forum - I'm chuckin' in my opinion, you are chuckin' in galindez's opinion

and you're old enough to know that conveying humour on a forum - rather than face-to-face - mostly doesn't work. certainly you failed on that score.

[BoxBuzz]

Nonsense...I'm a resounding success.


Anyway....writing off the opinion of a poster here vs writing off the opinion of a sparring partner.

I don't know....seems the sparring partner might have the edge now and again. They had a good close look, they felt the punches, they get a feel for the person's reflexes. Why should their opinion sleep with the fishes, while the "grand royale forum poster" opinion get serious consideration.

With that burst of brilliance, it's time to crack open a blue moon mountain Abby.

[misterpunch]

he felt MONZONS punches - he didn't feel CONTEH'S punches

time for you to hang 'em up

[BoxBuzz]

he felt MONZONS punches - he didn't feel CONTEH'S punches

time for you to hang 'em up

Hola...I'm just gettin' started.

Though you are right.....Conteh and Galindez never fought each other....(Lucky for Conteh) How can you dismiss his thoughts as if they did not exist? I mean it's not a junk assessment. Like let's say...YOUR opinion...or ok.....MIne. lol.

Honestly I don't know if Galindez's opinion is genuine but I have read it on more than one occasion. My only argument here is that IF it is....it has value. Perhaps as much Value as MINE....maybe not yours. ok....maybe yours as well.

At this point....that might be all we seem to disagree on. I'd favor the good LHW, but I do see it as very competitive.

[BoxBuzz]

You know, the night Conteh beat Chris Finnagan was sandwiched between the nights Monzon faced Griffith and Bouttiere.

Conteh outweighed Monzon by 10 - 12 pounds at that time.

But based on those fights......I'm still thinkin it's no walk in the park for the bigger man. Conteh would SURELY be facing a far better pound for pound opponent in that specific time frame. If pounds outpace skill then it's all Conteh I suppose.

This looks like a GOOD fighter....but not a world class fighter here.

What's your take?

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=con ... 4E8CF85094

[Seamus]

Finnegan also made it into the 14th rd against Bob Foster.

Monzon has to have one of the longest careers of fighters in recent memory, who never moved up in weight. Hagler of course would be another. It always makes me wonder, because regardless of what he once said in an interview, about there being no money in fighting at LHW, I think we all know that Monzon vs Foster or Monzon vs Conteh would have been huge fights. With that I'll stand by my suspicion that Monzon didn't feel confident of being a force at 175.

[Arbachakov]

Conteh looked great against Finnegan.Boxed his ears off in that fight while showing great skills.You don't think that looks like a world class fighter in there? look at the footwork, the advanced head-slips and upper body movement, the accuracy and punch picking, top-notch hand and foot speed.Smooth as butter.And this was a guy only two years into his career, a great talent.

Finnegan had a great chin though and hung tough.

[Counter-puncher]

Conteh looked great against Finnegan.Boxed his ears off in that fight while showing great skills.You don't think that looks like a world class fighter in there? look at the footwork, the advanced head-slips and upper body movement, the accuracy and punch picking, top-notch hand and foot speed.Smooth as butter.And this was a guy only two years into his career, a great talent.
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good post Conteh's skills in that fight- especially for his comparative inexperience at the time- were fantastic.

[BoxBuzz]

Fantastic? Based on the curve of "how long he was a pro"?

Look I'll concede he was a LHW champ....and that in and of itself is amazing. No doubt.

I suppose we are talking about a top 20 LHW champ vs a top 3 MW champion.

I think there may be some Mersey pride goin' on here. lol.


It would be competitive. No one should sure of their bet.

[Arbachakov]

No not based on how long he was a pro.And i have nothing to do with Merseyside.But i can see a greatly gifted technician when i watch one.

Conteh was a great talent that eventually squandered his career with a partyboy lifestyle and a lot of bad luck with injuries.One of the smoothest boxer-punchers of that era, he could have been a great with more application and a bit more luck.

Even so would not match him up with the light-heavies that genuinedly did achieve greatness and give him the benefit of the doubt against many, but against a great middle of his era(and thus more easily directly comparable) who i don't feel at all had the style to move up in weight and be successful against really good 175lbers i have no issue picking him.

As i said earlier, i feel this would be more likely to have been a showcase for Conteh had it happened(or Galindez had he fought Carlos) in similar fashion to smaller greats like Zarate and Arguello moving up against not yet greats but recognised excellent talents like Gomez, Pryor etc This would be a similar situation and outcome imo, rather than a hard fought very close bout.Monzon does not bring the right skillset to the table to excel at 175, imo he's the epitome of an all-time one traditional weight champ that would have come undone had he tried more.His style was far too predicated around being bigger and rangier than his opponents and expertly taking advantage of that.

[Counter-puncher]

[misterpunch]